Playing on the same side? The last taboo

[Einstein agogo]

Many of us, apparently, are already prepared to sell their past, their Religion and their Country down the river!

You'd be quite entertaining I guess, if you're the sort of person that likes watching car crashes. I'm not quite sure where your statement sits in the context of the thread but I'm guessing I'm going to be LOL'ing a lot whilst you try to explain it.

I'll treat your post respectfully, on this occasion, because I don't mind expanding what I was saying. My Grandfather played local football and supported RFC, my Father played at Arsenal, in the War Years (I never found out how or why) and supported RFC. Both served our Country in World Wars so that Britain would never be invaded by foreigners - We were an Island who had kept everyone at bay for 2000 years (with an occasional blip) and, in that time had invented most of the technology of the time, had an education system that others could only dream about and, most importantly, we were a society who knew right from wrong!

I grew up in a land where as a Primary school pupil I could walk six miles home from School without ending up in a body-bag!

The Politically-correct society we now live in is far,far from my youth. England is a dumping ground for the trailer-trash of the known Universe - all here to make themselves wealthy at our expense. Every green field is being built on to provide houses for the huge influx of foreign Criminals who have arrived and require luxury and I have to chaperone evry one of my children everywhere so that they actually return home safely!

When I first stood on the terraces of Elm Park, an England as it is now would have been unthinkable but, every fan alongside me would have fought to prevent it! Every bl**dy fan! In those days we were proud of who we were!

What a C U NT Ill informed ,jingoistic , Daily Mail reader

[RobRoyal]

I hate to break it to you but Gay people ARE different to normal people. I absolutely defend the right of Gay or Lesbian couples to have sex and produce offspring (Oh sorry, that's impossible!). I absolutely defend the right for any male and femail to get married regardless of their sexual preference (Oh sorry, that doesn't include Gays!). Marriage, after all, is for a man and woman to commit to life together and to the bringing up of children in a family environment.

I am not aware throughout the whole course of human history that co-buggery was considered a pre-requisite for adoption either! Perhaps one of you liberal/commies will give me details.

Try to wipe the froth from your mouth and actually explain what your argument is.

Homosexuality is not a pre-requisite for adoption. Why would you pretend that it is? How does your argument so far at all support the idea that gays should not be allowed to adopt children? While you've become fixated on what is "normal" and what is "perverse," you haven't actually explained why being other than "normal" means you are conferred fewer human rights? Why do you think that would be?

And you still haven't explained why homosexuality is sinful and perverse, you just apparently find it self-evident. I base my morality on a judgement about what is actually harmful behaviour. Homosexuality harms no-one. Ergo, live and let live.

[melonhead]

spoken like the most famous jew in history may have said it rob

[Royalclapper]

Embarrassing PC drivel. At what point does having more immigrants provide more money for an aging population than it does supporting facilities and care for those we are absorbing? Imagine the difficulty in now teaching children who don't even have a good enough standard of English for the basics. I'm guessing the majority of the PC brigade don't have kids in schools where the white british kids are in a minority.

Could understand more if we had severe labour shortages, like after WWII. It's a bit wide of the mark to say we're third world but it may only be a couple of generations away. But what the heck eh? we'll be gone by then so I'm alright jack.

[Einstein agogo]

VOTE UKIP

[andrew1957]

What a shame that The Siege has dragged the argument into the gutter and has also tried to combine the entirely different issues of how we treat homosexuals and immigration.

Most of the gay people I know (including my daughter) are white and born and brought up here so what their situation has to do with immigration I have no idea! I also have black and Asian friends who are hard working people who bring a great deal to our society and contribute to the rich diversity of the UK.

However, even many of my gay, black and Asian friends would agree that immigration has gone too far and that the EU is a thoroughly negative influence on the UK. That is why I am a paid up member of UKIP myself.

As a member I can assure you that UKIP is NOT a racist party but stands for the rights of all current UK citizens, irrespective of sexuality or colour, but we do wish to leave the EU and to curb "future" immigration to the UK.

[Elm Park Pasty]

I really cannot believe how utterly screwed up and weird The Siege's posts became through the progression of this thread. At the start I could almost hear 'Jerusalem' playing in the background with the vision of rolling hills and English meadows......... by the end it was bloody Skrewdriver and a bunch of skinheads tearing round cracking heads. Foaming at the mouth? I'm not so sure his bloody head hadn't exploded.

And for the record I have no problem with homosexual players in my team. If the removal of the stress of the hidden life leads to better performances on the pitch then it's a bonus for the club. However, given the issues round racism currently I am not sure if football is ready to confront another issue head on at the moment.

[andrew1957]

I really cannot believe how utterly screwed up and weird The Siege's posts became through the progression of this thread. At the start I could almost hear 'Jerusalem' playing in the background with the vision of rolling hills and English meadows......... by the end it was bloody Skrewdriver and a bunch of skinheads tearing round cracking heads. Foaming at the mouth? I'm not so sure his bloody head hadn't exploded.

And for the record I have no problem with homosexual players in my team. If the removal of the stress of the hidden life leads to better performances on the pitch then it's a bonus for the club. However, given the issues round racism currently I am not sure if football is ready to confront another issue head on at the moment.

Agreed and one concern for me is that ignorant people like him make many associate the quite legitimate concerns of UKIP with racism - when nothing could be further from the truth.

There might be some racist members of UKIP but I am sure there are also racists in the Liberal, Labour and Conservative parties.

[melonhead]

Embarrassing PC drivel. At what point does having more immigrants provide more money for an aging population than it does supporting facilities and care for those we are absorbing? Imagine the difficulty in now teaching children who don't even have a good enough standard of English for the basics. I'm guessing the majority of the PC brigade don't have kids in schools where the white british kids are in a minority.

Could understand more if we had severe labour shortages, like after WWII. It's a bit wide of the mark to say we're third world but it may only be a couple of generations away. But what the heck eh? we'll be gone by then so I'm alright jack.

goes for a huge number of white english families who dont bother teaching their kids to speak/write/read properly before they get to school
garbage

[Royalclapper]

Embarrassing PC drivel. At what point does having more immigrants provide more money for an aging population than it does supporting facilities and care for those we are absorbing? Imagine the difficulty in now teaching children who don't even have a good enough standard of English for the basics. I'm guessing the majority of the PC brigade don't have kids in schools where the white british kids are in a minority.

Could understand more if we had severe labour shortages, like after WWII. It's a bit wide of the mark to say we're third world but it may only be a couple of generations away. But what the heck eh? we'll be gone by then so I'm alright jack.

goes for a huge number of white english families who dont bother teaching their kids to speak/write/read properly before they get to school
garbage

Which huge numbers? Nice try.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

hello? Is this the right thread for bigotry and unsupported generalisations?

[MouldyRoyal]

hello? Is this the right thread for bigotry and unsupported generalisations?

Sure is! Make sure to blame Islam for everything.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

hello? Is this the right thread for bigotry and unsupported generalisations?

Sure is! Make sure to blame Islam for everything.

You can't forget darkies and poofs as well ...

[Royalclapper]

hello? Is this the right thread for bigotry and unsupported generalisations?

Not sure I can recover from that.

[sandman]

It must be awful being TheSeige, being terrified of anything remotely different from him be they atheists, liberals, "foreign criminals", local criminals, and worst of all "the Gays"!

Nothing terrifies me except my Childrens futures. Growing up and trying to have a life in an England that is rapidly becoming a third-world country because people like you have absolutely no sense of National identity. When you are sacked so that Poles or Ukrainians can be employed far more cheaply, tell me how good it feels! When your bank account is emptied by Nigerian fraudsters, please tell us all how happy you are!

The above were widely-known factual examples but, to enlighten you all, they do not refer to my personal experience.

Fcuk the Poles and Ukrainians! It's the Goobacks travelling back from the future you want to worry about. Dey took our jobs.

[Cobi]

Snowball - I do not even begin to understand what point you are making. I will say again, what I said in my first post:- No-one can, or should be, discriminated against for an accident of birth that means they have a different sexuality to the Norm.

An accident of birth! You really are a prat.

[melonhead]

Embarrassing PC drivel. At what point does having more immigrants provide more money for an aging population than it does supporting facilities and care for those we are absorbing? Imagine the difficulty in now teaching children who don't even have a good enough standard of English for the basics. I'm guessing the majority of the PC brigade don't have kids in schools where the white british kids are in a minority.

Could understand more if we had severe labour shortages, like after WWII. It's a bit wide of the mark to say we're third world but it may only be a couple of generations away. But what the heck eh? we'll be gone by then so I'm alright jack.

goes for a huge number of white english families who dont bother teaching their kids to speak/write/read properly before they get to primary school
garbage

Which huge numbers? Nice try.

huge numbers. in the hundreds of thousands if not millions
that huge enough for you?


huge numbers of working class families dont speak proper english, and huge numbers working class english families send their kids to school unable to write/read/speak properly-just ask any teacher at primary schools, even in generally affluent, low immigration areas.
nothing to do with immigration. everything to do with english white people.
id prefer to chuck the white english chavs out tbf, than the decent hard working immigrants

[RobRoyal]

spoken like the most famous jew in history may have said it rob

Oh dear, don't let TheSiege hear that!

[melonhead]

and totally back up my points/destroy sieges

excellent stuff.

[Hampshire Royal]

The seige has never been a person that I have any empathy with. all of his posts to date have been mindless drivel. The difference on this thread is that they are now dangerous, mindless drivel. I too have six children and I can't imagine withdrawing my love from any one of them because they told me they are gay. That simply shows him to be a person who doesn't have normal human feelings that the majority of people have.

Has he ever met a gay person? Has he ever tried to get to know black people? If he had, and he was a normal person, he would find that Gay and Black people (I'm not trying to lump them into a single group, by the way) are just normal people with normal human feelings. And what about my two youngest children. They are both British, but they have the temerity to be just a little bit black (I blame their mother!!). If they ever came to live in the country of their nationality, and their father's birth, will they be treated by arseholes like him as if they had no right to be here because to his warped sense of reality, they would not be welcome here? And if one of them turned out to be gay.........

I don't always agree with some of the stuff written on this forum. Whether I do or not makes no difference to what I think of the people who write it. Some of them make intelligent and amusing posts to put forward their point of view. I don't know whether or not they are gay, black, brown, yellow or green because it makes absolutely no difference to me. I have always thought that the difference between the educated and the non-educated is that the educated have the ability to stretch their mind outside of their own reality and to understand the point of view of those they disagree with. It is clear that the seige is not educated.