MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by URZZZZ » 27 Feb 2023 10:07

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Err, we played 433.

I've seen a few people say this, but we certainly started set up with 5 at the back.

It was back to a start of season 5 where it was more flexible and attacking with Hoilett spending more time forward and McIntyre venturing up as well. But it only became a definite 4 once Azeez came on for Hoilett. Imo.


Well, it definitely looked 433 to me and the manager said we played 433 so I'll go with we played 433 but appreciate others may see it differently.


Yeah, was a 4-3-3. Biggest giveaway was Meite playing so far up on the right, haven’t seen anything like that all season really

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 27 Feb 2023 10:09

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YorkshireRoyal99 No it wasn't a red but certainly worthy of a yellow. No drama though as we scored anyway.

Something to build on now though and a free hit basically in these next couple of games to see if we can take anything from them.

By the letter of the law I am under the impression it has to be a red card the moment the referee gave a penalty, there was no genuine attempt to play the ball from my view.

Yes, that's my thoughts. Possibly not a clear goalscoring opportunity because of the other defender, but then they both seemed to foul Meite and the second could only get there because of the first fouling.


Well if it was ever going to be it would be because he did deny a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Although I didn't think you could give both a penalty and red card anymore because of the "double jeopardy" rule or did that eventually get scrapped?

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by URZZZZ » 27 Feb 2023 10:13

Ark Royal Enjoyed the change of shape yesterday to a 433 and at times looking like a 4141 with Hendrick doing a good unspectacular job in front of the back four. Pleased for Meite as well, who obviously loves playing to his strengths and on that form is pretty much unplayable at times. For me, jury still out on Casadei as he started slowly, grew in to the game and then faded again, but still early days for him. Great movement from him in the first half that got him on the end of a long ball into the box that could have resulted in a chance if not for a poor touch.


Agreed with that. Hendrick does the ugly side of the stuff well and it’s no surprise we were so poor against Cardiff without him. He’s been our best midfielder this season by quite some distance

Was nice to see a midfielder show for the ball and constantly be on the move so was impressed with Casedei. Puts a lot less pressure on the CB’s when they actually have an option moving ahead of them as opposed to punting it to Carroll

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by tidus_mi2 » 27 Feb 2023 10:25

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tidus_mi2 By the letter of the law I am under the impression it has to be a red card the moment the referee gave a penalty, there was no genuine attempt to play the ball from my view.

Yes, that's my thoughts. Possibly not a clear goalscoring opportunity because of the other defender, but then they both seemed to foul Meite and the second could only get there because of the first fouling.


Well if it was ever going to be it would be because he did deny a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Although I didn't think you could give both a penalty and red card anymore because of the "double jeopardy" rule or did that eventually get scrapped?

Not quite, they changed the rule so that if you make a genuine attempt to win the ball but still commit the foul, it is only a yellow card, that rule still exists.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by Mr Angry » 27 Feb 2023 10:33

Talking of possible red cards, looking at the highlights Mbengue was very lucky to stay on the park!


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 27 Feb 2023 10:37

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Snowflake Royal Yes, that's my thoughts. Possibly not a clear goalscoring opportunity because of the other defender, but then they both seemed to foul Meite and the second could only get there because of the first fouling.


Well if it was ever going to be it would be because he did deny a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Although I didn't think you could give both a penalty and red card anymore because of the "double jeopardy" rule or did that eventually get scrapped?

Not quite, they changed the rule so that if you make a genuine attempt to win the ball but still commit the foul, it is only a yellow card, that rule still exists.


Ah right ok. It's difficult to say really whether he made a genuine attempt to play the ball or not, Meite was slowing down and the defender was only really a yard or so behind him, it's not like he was 3/4 yards away and then just pulls him down. I think he's just gone through the back to try and get the ball, so it should have been a booking.

In terms of denying a clear goalscoring opportunity though, you could argue that it is that.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 27 Feb 2023 12:37

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tidus_mi2 By the letter of the law I am under the impression it has to be a red card the moment the referee gave a penalty, there was no genuine attempt to play the ball from my view.

Yes, that's my thoughts. Possibly not a clear goalscoring opportunity because of the other defender, but then they both seemed to foul Meite and the second could only get there because of the first fouling.


Well if it was ever going to be it would be because he did deny a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Although I didn't think you could give both a penalty and red card anymore because of the "double jeopardy" rule or did that eventually get scrapped?

I may be out of date but you can. Just not if there's a genuine attempt to play the ball.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 27 Feb 2023 12:38

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Well if it was ever going to be it would be because he did deny a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Although I didn't think you could give both a penalty and red card anymore because of the "double jeopardy" rule or did that eventually get scrapped?

Not quite, they changed the rule so that if you make a genuine attempt to win the ball but still commit the foul, it is only a yellow card, that rule still exists.


Ah right ok. It's difficult to say really whether he made a genuine attempt to play the ball or not, Meite was slowing down and the defender was only really a yard or so behind him, it's not like he was 3/4 yards away and then just pulls him down. I think he's just gone through the back to try and get the ball, so it should have been a booking.

In terms of denying a clear goalscoring opportunity though, you could argue that it is that.


He ran into Meite's legs from behind, no attempt to win.the ball at all.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 27 Feb 2023 12:40

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tidus_mi2 Not quite, they changed the rule so that if you make a genuine attempt to win the ball but still commit the foul, it is only a yellow card, that rule still exists.


Ah right ok. It's difficult to say really whether he made a genuine attempt to play the ball or not, Meite was slowing down and the defender was only really a yard or so behind him, it's not like he was 3/4 yards away and then just pulls him down. I think he's just gone through the back to try and get the ball, so it should have been a booking.

In terms of denying a clear goalscoring opportunity though, you could argue that it is that.


He ran into Meite's legs from behind, no attempt to win.the ball at all.


It was just a tackle from behind which almost always results in a foul. I don't doubt he did try and win the ball, it's not like he was a few yards behind. It certainly wasn't as blatant as when the Sheffield Wednesday defender hauled Puscas down a couple of seasons ago.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by Hound » 27 Feb 2023 12:41

Think a red would have been harsh: was v surprised he didn’t get a yellow though unless I missed it

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by Dave the rave » 27 Feb 2023 13:24

Carrol was MOTM for me. Really put himself about , chipped in with a cool penalty and he is actually an effective target man. Just a shame he had no-one to support him to take advantage of his flick ons etc but that's because we do play too defensively. Always seems one rash tackle away from a yellow card mind.

Blackpool were very poor and we weren't that much better but we took our chances so can't be too unhappy. Poor game, right result, bloody freezing.

Was good to see a proper crowd again but downside of no beer at halftime as the queues were ridiculous :x

Those clappy things were oxf*rd annoying too although can't moan too much as my lad was doing it all game but the bloke in front of us should know better.

Glad of the 3 points and another move towards safety but whoever on here was talking about 6th place......not happening.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by paultheroyal » 27 Feb 2023 13:31

Hound Think a red would have been harsh: was v surprised he didn’t get a yellow though unless I missed it


Not sure why people are struggling with a debate here. Referee deemed it to be a routine foul, it looked a routine foul, penalty, no red card, despite being through on goal. Same as you i would of expected a yellow but same time, if that incident happened on the pitch at any location would you expect a yellow, probably not.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by Hendo » 27 Feb 2023 13:33

Think I would, tbf.

I'm the guy had bought down Meite 10 yards earlier for a free-kick, I would've expected the ref to 100% give a yellow.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by paultheroyal » 27 Feb 2023 13:33

Dave the rave Carrol was MOTM for me. Really put himself about , chipped in with a cool penalty and he is actually an effective target man. Just a shame he had no-one to support him to take advantage of his flick ons etc but that's because we do play too defensively. Always seems one rash tackle away from a yellow card mind.

Blackpool were very poor and we weren't that much better but we took our chances so can't be too unhappy. Poor game, right result, bloody freezing.

Was good to see a proper crowd again but downside of no beer at halftime as the queues were ridiculous :x

Those clappy things were oxf*rd annoying too although can't moan too much as my lad was doing it all game but the bloke in front of us should know better.

Glad of the 3 points and another move towards safety but whoever on here was talking about 6th place......not happening.


Decent review and brilliant to see the stands pretty full, about time. Downside is that everywhere just so busy. We travelled up from Wimborne, son was starving, promised him food at half time, we left before the board went up and queue in east stand was about 40 deep perhaps more at this time.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 27 Feb 2023 13:38

Probably because people think that:

a) it was a denial of a clear goalscoring chance
b) there was no genuine attempt to play the ball by the guy chasing Meite.

a) is a bit debateable because there were two defenders, although I think the second struggles to get there if the first isn’t slowing down Meite.

b) is a bit debateable because whilst the guy from behind makes no genuine attempt to play the ball, the other guy does.

Quite a few people seem to have not even heard of b) as a thing. And there's bugger all else with any potential controversy.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by Hound » 27 Feb 2023 14:29

It was quite pleasant when the sun came out (for about 15 mins before half time)

But yes otherwise was freezing. V bored of winter now

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by Hendo » 27 Feb 2023 14:36

Hound It was quite pleasant when the sun came out (for about 15 mins before half time)


Indeed, although much to my annoyance as I had left my sunglasses in the car!

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by South Coast Royal » 27 Feb 2023 14:41

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Dave the rave Carrol was MOTM for me. Really put himself about , chipped in with a cool penalty and he is actually an effective target man. Just a shame he had no-one to support him to take advantage of his flick ons etc but that's because we do play too defensively. Always seems one rash tackle away from a yellow card mind.

Blackpool were very poor and we weren't that much better but we took our chances so can't be too unhappy. Poor game, right result, bloody freezing.

Was good to see a proper crowd again but downside of no beer at halftime as the queues were ridiculous :x

Those clappy things were oxf*rd annoying too although can't moan too much as my lad was doing it all game but the bloke in front of us should know better.

Glad of the 3 points and another move towards safety but whoever on here was talking about 6th place......not happening.


Decent review and brilliant to see the stands pretty full, about time. Downside is that everywhere just so busy. We travelled up from Wimborne, son was starving, promised him food at half time, we left before the board went up and queue in east stand was about 40 deep perhaps more at this time.


Is Wimborne where you live or were you just staying there?

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by paultheroyal » 27 Feb 2023 14:56

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Dave the rave Carrol was MOTM for me. Really put himself about , chipped in with a cool penalty and he is actually an effective target man. Just a shame he had no-one to support him to take advantage of his flick ons etc but that's because we do play too defensively. Always seems one rash tackle away from a yellow card mind.

Blackpool were very poor and we weren't that much better but we took our chances so can't be too unhappy. Poor game, right result, bloody freezing.

Was good to see a proper crowd again but downside of no beer at halftime as the queues were ridiculous :x

Those clappy things were oxf*rd annoying too although can't moan too much as my lad was doing it all game but the bloke in front of us should know better.

Glad of the 3 points and another move towards safety but whoever on here was talking about 6th place......not happening.


Decent review and brilliant to see the stands pretty full, about time. Downside is that everywhere just so busy. We travelled up from Wimborne, son was starving, promised him food at half time, we left before the board went up and queue in east stand was about 40 deep perhaps more at this time.


Is Wimborne where you live or were you just staying there?


Travelling back from a morning football match.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Blackpool (h)

by Dave the rave » 27 Feb 2023 16:17

Hound It was quite pleasant when the sun came out (for about 15 mins before half time)

But yes otherwise was freezing. V bored of winter now


Was actually looking across to the East stand with a certain jealousy.

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