Selles not out

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Should Selles be shown the door now before the inevitable mid season sacking

Yes (and appoint Ian)
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46%
No (it's a wonderful appointment and he'll get the club to scale heights never before seen at Reading)
31
44%
He won't be appointed in the first place
7
10%
 
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Re: Selles out

by Franchise FC » 27 Sep 2023 15:16

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Forbury Lion The problem with Selles Out is that nobody will want to touch us with a barge pole, even Paul Ince would think twice about coming back.

The manager in my opinion needs to realise that playing away from home may require different tactics, If we can at least start getting draws that'll be progress.

I don't know if that is necessarily true. It would be a good job for a manager who is looking to get back into the game after a bit of time out or a younger manager from League 2 or National League, very little pressure on them if things go tits up with Selles.

The idea that they might not get paid isn't a bit of a downer, then ?

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Re: Selles out

by CountryRoyal » 27 Sep 2023 17:15

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Forbury Lion The problem with Selles Out is that nobody will want to touch us with a barge pole, even Paul Ince would think twice about coming back.

The manager in my opinion needs to realise that playing away from home may require different tactics, If we can at least start getting draws that'll be progress.

I don't know if that is necessarily true. It would be a good job for a manager who is looking to get back into the game after a bit of time out or a younger manager from League 2 or National League, very little pressure on them if things go tits up with Selles.


Any job where you probably don’t get paid, is not a good job fyi.

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Re: Selles out

by NathStPaul » 27 Sep 2023 17:35

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Forbury Lion The problem with Selles Out is that nobody will want to touch us with a barge pole, even Paul Ince would think twice about coming back.

The manager in my opinion needs to realise that playing away from home may require different tactics, If we can at least start getting draws that'll be progress.

I don't know if that is necessarily true. It would be a good job for a manager who is looking to get back into the game after a bit of time out or a younger manager from League 2 or National League, very little pressure on them if things go tits up with Selles.


Any job where you probably don’t get paid, is not a good job fyi.

Depends on your existing levels of income and how close a potential takeover is for us. If you take someone like Neil Warnock for example he would be comfortable enough to hang on until a takeover happened and take back pay.

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Re: Selles out

by Ascotexgunner » 27 Sep 2023 18:32

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NathStPaul I don't know if that is necessarily true. It would be a good job for a manager who is looking to get back into the game after a bit of time out or a younger manager from League 2 or National League, very little pressure on them if things go tits up with Selles.


Any job where you probably don’t get paid, is not a good job fyi.

Depends on your existing levels of income and how close a potential takeover is for us. If you take someone like Neil Warnock for example he would be comfortable enough to hang on until a takeover happened and take back pay.


There that name in there like a grenade :D :D :D

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Re: Selles out

by Snowball » 28 Sep 2023 11:55

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Any job where you probably don’t get paid, is not a good job fyi.




Try being a mid-list writer

We loved your story. We'd like to publish it.

How much?

Nothing.

BUT!!

Think of the EXPOSURE


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Re: Selles out

by Stranded » 28 Sep 2023 12:54

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Any job where you probably don’t get paid, is not a good job fyi.




Try being a mid-list writer

We loved your story. We'd like to publish it.

How much?

Nothing.

BUT!!

Think of the EXPOSURE


Writing is a hobby until you get paid, same with most creative outlets to be honest.

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Re: Selles out

by NathStPaul » 28 Sep 2023 12:56

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Any job where you probably don’t get paid, is not a good job fyi.




Try being a mid-list writer

We loved your story. We'd like to publish it.

How much?

Nothing.

BUT!!

Think of the EXPOSURE


Writing is a hobby until you get paid, same with most creative outlets to be honest.

If you're good enough you'll get paid. Not sure if Snowball ever reached that sort of level.

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Re: Selles out

by Stranded » 28 Sep 2023 12:58

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Try being a mid-list writer

We loved your story. We'd like to publish it.

How much?

Nothing.

BUT!!

Think of the EXPOSURE


Writing is a hobby until you get paid, same with most creative outlets to be honest.

If you're good enough you'll get paid. Not sure if Snowball ever reached that sort of level.


Which was my point, bar the dig at Snowball. Would add you need to get paid regularly and enough for it to be your full time job for it to be more than a hobby - did plenty of paying gig when I was in a band but by the time you cover your costs, breaking even was a bonus.

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Re: Selles out

by NathStPaul » 28 Sep 2023 13:01

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Writing is a hobby until you get paid, same with most creative outlets to be honest.

If you're good enough you'll get paid. Not sure if Snowball ever reached that sort of level.


Which was my point, bar the dig at Snowball. Would add you need to get paid regularly and enough for it to be your full time job for it to be more than a hobby - did plenty of paying gig when I was in a band but by the time you cover your costs, breaking even was a bonus.

Not a dig, wasn't sure if Snowball was a paid writer. I know he has mentioned writing in the past but not sure on the level.


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Re: Selles out

by Stranded » 28 Sep 2023 13:09

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NathStPaul If you're good enough you'll get paid. Not sure if Snowball ever reached that sort of level.


Which was my point, bar the dig at Snowball. Would add you need to get paid regularly and enough for it to be your full time job for it to be more than a hobby - did plenty of paying gig when I was in a band but by the time you cover your costs, breaking even was a bonus.

Not a dig, wasn't sure if Snowball was a paid writer. I know he has mentioned writing in the past but not sure on the level.


Ah then apologies, just assume any mention of Snowball contains a dig. :wink:

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Re: Selles out

by Stranded » 28 Sep 2023 14:59

Could he be learning that 4-2-2-2 isn't always the way to go. In his presser today said that whilst it will be his main formation, they have 5-3-2 as a secondary system and whilst there hasn't be the need to use it pre-Blackpool, that game has shown it should or could be utilised going forward, even from the beginning of matches.

Starting 5-3-2 and switching to 4-2-2-2 mid-game could be pretty effective.

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Re: Selles out

by Snowball » 28 Sep 2023 15:12

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Any job where you probably don’t get paid, is not a good job fyi.




Try being a mid-list writer

We loved your story. We'd like to publish it.

How much?

Nothing.

BUT!!

Think of the EXPOSURE


Writing is a hobby until you get paid, same with most creative outlets to be honest.



I've been a professional writer since 1992 but magazines still try it on.

A major airline wanted one of my stories "Ballistics" for their in flight magazine

and offered £00.00

I checked their ad rates. At the time they were £10,000 per page

But what about the EXPOSURE?

Sure, it would have been nice, but not even a token offer
of £50 or £100? (I'd already won £300 or so..)


NOPE.


So I chose "less exposure"

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Re: Selles out

by Snowball » 28 Sep 2023 15:22

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Try being a mid-list writer

We loved your story. We'd like to publish it.

How much?

Nothing.

BUT!!

Think of the EXPOSURE


Writing is a hobby until you get paid, same with most creative outlets to be honest.

If you're good enough you'll get paid. Not sure if Snowball ever reached that sort of level.



As usual, you show your ignorance (why am I not surprised?)

I've published six books, all paying, not self-published.

I have won a total of 19 competitions, countless placings,
all paying nicely, thank-you, and just in the Bridport Prize alone
twice second, twice fourth I have picked up £2,100.

I've had a bursary of £14,500 from Arts Council of Wales


Been published in the UK, Ireland, Australia, US, China, always paying,
was short-listed for an International Award for best first novel, and have
probably published (for money) around 500 pieces, the majority paying after
the early days.

I've sold year-long Film/TV rights 3-4-5 times.

BUT, editors STILL try it on, regularly


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Re: Selles out

by Snowball » 28 Sep 2023 15:29

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Which was my point, bar the dig at Snowball. Would add you need to get paid regularly and enough for it to be your full time job for it to be more than a hobby - did plenty of paying gig when I was in a band but by the time you cover your costs, breaking even was a bonus.



Jeez, in my best year writing I didn't earn a quarter of what I earned in 1988
(I was in the Clapham Crash December 1988 and dropped out decided to
follow my dream. I should have been dead so figured do what you WANT to do).

But it is NOT about quality. Luck plays a part, connections are massive,
dumbing down to go mass-market, get TV or a film, etc.


If you played music you must know stories of ordinary bands getting deals when
the good/great ones didn't.

Outside the hyped, over-advertised top few (writers) (and it really is a few Brits)
there is very little money sloshing around, and it's WORSE now than in the 1990's-2000's
because Amazon, Tesco pricing etc absolute devastates royalties.

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Re: Selles out

by Mid Sussex Royal » 28 Sep 2023 15:35

Great comments from Selles in press conf, reporter said "excellent news" re the wages to which Selles replied, "no, its normal to get paid for doing a job"

Also said he'd had no contact with Pang or Dai, everything goes through Bowen.

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Re: Selles out

by NathStPaul » 28 Sep 2023 15:39

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Writing is a hobby until you get paid, same with most creative outlets to be honest.

If you're good enough you'll get paid. Not sure if Snowball ever reached that sort of level.



As usual, you show your ignorance (why am I not surprised?)

I've published six books, all paying, not self-published.

I have won a total of 19 competitions, countless placings,
all paying nicely, thank-you, and just in the Bridport Prize alone
twice second, twice fourth I have picked up £2,100.

I've had a bursary of £14,500 from Arts Council of Wales


Been published in the UK, Ireland, Australia, US, China, always paying,
was short-listed for an International Award for best first novel, and have
probably published (for money) around 500 pieces, the majority paying after
the early days.

I've sold year-long Film/TV rights 3-4-5 times.

BUT, editors STILL try it on, regularly

Alright Agatha Christie, chill out.

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Re: Selles out

by Stranded » 28 Sep 2023 15:39

Mid Sussex Royal Great comments from Selles in press conf, reporter said "excellent news" re the wages to which Selles replied, "no, its normal to get paid for doing a job"

Also said he'd had no contact with Pang or Dai, everything goes through Bowen.


TBF isn't that way it should be? Bowen is Selles boss, so that should be Selles point of entry into ownership/CEO etc.

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Re: Selles out

by blythspartan » 28 Sep 2023 16:19

Mid Sussex Royal Great comments from Selles in press conf, reporter said "excellent news" re the wages to which Selles replied, "no, its normal to get paid for doing a job"

Also said he'd had no contact with Pang or Dai, everything goes through Bowen.


I like Selles. He’s been dealt a crap hand but I really admire his honesty and what he’s trying to accomplish. I’m expecting another painful season, but Selles and this young team will have my full support.

I recall Dellor trying to lay into him on BBCRB, but Selles stood his ground with a good firm response and Dellor meekly backed down.

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Re: Selles out

by WestYorksRoyal » 28 Sep 2023 16:21

Also hinted at tactical flexibility and starting 352 in some games. A good sign in my view.

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Re: Selles out

by Forbury Lion » 28 Sep 2023 17:28

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Writing is a hobby until you get paid, same with most creative outlets to be honest.

If you're good enough you'll get paid. Not sure if Snowball ever reached that sort of level.


Which was my point, bar the dig at Snowball. Would add you need to get paid regularly and enough for it to be your full time job for it to be more than a hobby - did plenty of paying gig when I was in a band but by the time you cover your costs, breaking even was a bonus.

Being famous can be enough, you don't even have to write the books yourself and if you write them for kids you can get away with being crap as long as you add a few cartoons.

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