In praise of...Johnny Fordham

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by melonhead » 19 Dec 2012 10:20

Avon Royal I think it's because everybody knows that Brian's position has become completely untenable.

He's lost the dressing room, he's lost the fans. he's lost the media.

He wont quit because he wants his payout - time for AnJon to step up to the plate and put him out of his misery.





when you say everybody knows, you mean some people think

you know oxf*rd all about the dressing room- the only dressing room problem i KNOW of is guthrie


and if there was one man honourable enough to quit if it was right, without thought of his pay off, its mcdermott

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by creative_username_1 » 19 Dec 2012 10:22

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Terminal Boardom Funny isn't it. No one complains about "The Reading Way" when results are favourable.


Nobody?

Some have always maintained that any (limited) success under the "Reading Way" was more luck than judgement. The most frustrating thing is the failure to invest to take advantage of the opportunities presented.


I'd suggest every decision that involves some aspect of the future is as much luck as judgement

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by REMTARDROYAL » 19 Dec 2012 10:29

I'd suggest every decision that involves some aspect of the future is as much luck as judgement


Luck is the little wobbles, judgement is the longer term trend.

Over an extended period of time, good judgement, a good method, perfect planning and preparation will overcome luck every single time.

That's not to say there won't be setbacks.

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by melonhead » 19 Dec 2012 10:33

lets be rational about fordham- he is a terrible journo
and jimmy sounded like hed have said that to anyone who would listen, nowt to do with johnnys probing interview technique

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by Wimb » 19 Dec 2012 10:40

melonhead lets be rational about fordham- he is a terrible journo
and jimmy sounded like hed have said that to anyone who would listen, nowt to do with johnnys probing interview technique


Why exactly is he a terrible journo? Who's an example of a good journo?


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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by creative_username_1 » 19 Dec 2012 10:43

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I'd suggest every decision that involves some aspect of the future is as much luck as judgement


Luck is the little wobbles, judgement is the longer term trend.

Over an extended period of time, good judgement, a good method, perfect planning and preparation will overcome luck every single time.

That's not to say there won't be setbacks.


I'm not sure i agree. All the things you mention are based on things that have happened in the past and applying them to the future and hoping they still work. How do you define:

good judgement - person that survived the longest (could have got lucky)
good method - well it worked last time, if only #{"variable"} hadn't happened it would have worked this time.
perfect planning - in a hugely dynamical system with things constantly changing

Do you have a military background? I think i'm right in saying that you're also fairly handy at maths
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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by melonhead » 19 Dec 2012 10:44

some one who doesnt just take his stories verbatim from twitter and hob nob for starters.






joseph pulitzer, and bob woodward
they were quite good

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by creative_username_1 » 19 Dec 2012 10:44

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melonhead lets be rational about fordham- he is a terrible journo
and jimmy sounded like hed have said that to anyone who would listen, nowt to do with johnnys probing interview technique


Why exactly is he a terrible journo? Who's an example of a good journo?


A good journo writes things you agree with whereas a bad journo doesn't

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by Barry the bird boggler » 19 Dec 2012 10:44

Anyone have a link to kebe's interview?


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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by Silver Fox » 19 Dec 2012 10:45

I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere but when I read the article on the shitter this morning while I was intrigued that Jimmy thinks there should be more investment (can't say I read it as him "blasting Anton" but there you go) the main thing I took from it was the part wher he called bullshit on pcunts like Avon royal for claiming that Brian should go and that there was any suggestion that the players think that.

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by melonhead » 19 Dec 2012 10:50

Barry the bird boggler Anyone have a link to kebe's interview?



http://m.gmgrd.co.uk/sbres/216.$plit/C_67_avitem_228_file.mp3

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by melonhead » 19 Dec 2012 10:50

Silver Fox I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere but when I read the article on the shitter this morning while I was intrigued that Jimmy thinks there should be more investment (can't say I read it as him "blasting Anton" but there you go) the main thing I took from it was the part wher he called bullshit on pcunts like Avon royal for claiming that Brian should go and that there was any suggestion that the players think that.


agreed

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by Wimb » 19 Dec 2012 10:52

melonhead some one who doesnt just take his stories verbatim from twitter and hob nob for starters.






joseph pulitzer, and bob woodward
they were quite good


Not sure if serious....

If you are then sorry but you've got a pretty poor understanding of how local print journalism works in 2012 and haven't been paying proper attention to what he's been writing.


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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by melonhead » 19 Dec 2012 10:57

tbf to him i stopped reading anything he said after he was appalling for all of last year and longer

perhaps he has improved and i have done him a huge disservice


im mjust glad he has champions like you to put me right

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by Wimb » 19 Dec 2012 11:11

melonhead tbf to him i stopped reading anything he said after he was appalling for all of last year and longer

perhaps he has improved and i have done him a huge disservice


im mjust glad he has champions like you to put me right


Does that mean I get some sort of badge as defender of the Fordham ;)

If you don't like him fair enough I was just curious to see if you had any actual rational behind it that you could back up, or if you were just slagging him off for the sake of it.

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by REMTARDROYAL » 19 Dec 2012 11:15

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I'd suggest every decision that involves some aspect of the future is as much luck as judgement


Luck is the little wobbles, judgement is the longer term trend.

Over an extended period of time, good judgement, a good method, perfect planning and preparation will overcome luck every single time.

That's not to say there won't be setbacks.


I'm not sure i agree. All the things you mention are based on things that have happened in the past and applying them to the future and hoping they still work. How do you define:

good judgement - person that survived the longest (could have got lucky)
good method - well it worked last time, if only #{"variable"} hadn't happened it would have worked this time.
perfect planning - in a hugely dynamical system with things constantly changing

Do you have a military background? I think i'm right in saying that you're also fairly handy at maths (did you used to be Papereyes)


Maths and numbers is what I do, day in, day out. The 7Ps is as valid in academia, though.

I think what I'm trying to say is that in, say, a football match, you can't control everything. It's a stochastic process, for want of a better word. But its the judgement, method, whatever, that either limits the impact of bad luck and magnifies the effect of good luck. While you can't immediately control the movement of 22 players and a ball, money means you can buy better players and tactics means that you can either control your 11 players better or limit what the other 11 can do.

And the same applies over a season. We can't necessarily buy better players but we can use less good players in a way that the things they're less good at are less obvious and maximizing what they are good at. Last season - set pieces, attacking with a minimum of possession, not relying on central midfield as a source of creativity. This at least relates to the whole Moneyball ethos (the 'Reading way' in a different sport) - creative players cost more, so we've found other sources of goals.

(I did like TBMs comment on another thread - its like finding a corner glitch and then SI patch it. Last season, we had a style that stopped other teams scoring and lead to us having a higher percentage of goal scoring chances from corners. We can't score every time but if we tip the odds 10 per cent in our favor, we'd expect more goals per game and many more goals per season, from corners.This season, we've been patched.)

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by melonhead » 19 Dec 2012 11:18

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melonhead tbf to him i stopped reading anything he said after he was appalling for all of last year and longer

perhaps he has improved and i have done him a huge disservice


im mjust glad he has champions like you to put me right


Does that mean I get some sort of badge as defender of the Fordham ;)

If you don't like him fair enough I was just curious to see if you had any actual rational behind it that you could back up, or if you were just slagging him off for the sake of it.


yes. month after month of ill informed and plain wrong nonsense, and printing joke rumours from twitter and here as fact.

i shall read some more of him now, in the hope he has improved as you say he has

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by REMTARDROYAL » 19 Dec 2012 11:22

Thinking on - I guess you're right, c_u_1, about 'doing the same thing and hoping for the best' but I'd include judgement is also the ability to recognize when doing what you've done before isn't wiring and changing it.

In both of McDs full seasons before this one, they share one key thing in common. We started off knee deep in mediocrity, we made changes around Xmas in terms of squad and tactics and our post-Xmas form was outstanding. He spotted key flaws in the system and changed them.

This season, he's seemed less capable of doing this but then again we're fighting a massive uphill battle in terms of finances and we're hindered by the transfer window.

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by Archie's penalty » 19 Dec 2012 12:20

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melonhead tbf to him i stopped reading anything he said after he was appalling for all of last year and longer

perhaps he has improved and i have done him a huge disservice


im mjust glad he has champions like you to put me right


Does that mean I get some sort of badge as defender of the Fordham ;)

If you don't like him fair enough I was just curious to see if you had any actual rational behind it that you could back up, or if you were just slagging him off for the sake of it.


yes. month after month of ill informed and plain wrong nonsense, and printing joke rumours from twitter and here as fact.

i shall read some more of him now, in the hope he has improved as you say he has


I thought he was crap as well, but recently I have changed my mind a bit, thus the origial post in fact.

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Re: In praise of...Johnny Fordham

by No Fixed Abode » 19 Dec 2012 12:23

All journo's are the same. Most get paid lot's to state the obvious. Can't stand Henry Winter.

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