LoanWatch for season 2008/2009

[Huntley & Palmer]

Season Long Loan with an option to buy is fine by me, Season long loan just to develop a player for someone else - no thanks.

Until today, I didn't realise that the transfer window does not apply to buying players whilst on loan with you. Hence why Defoe was on loan at Portsmouth for 4 days before they bought him after the transfer window. So we needn't wait until the end of the season if we want them

[Hoop Blah]

Season Long Loan with an option to buy is fine by me, Season long loan just to develop a player for someone else - no thanks.

Until today, I didn't realise that the transfer window does not apply to buying players whilst on loan with you. Hence why Defoe was on loan at Portsmouth for 4 days before they bought him after the transfer window. So we needn't wait until the end of the season if we want them

Aren't they still classed as loan players though until the next transfer window opens. Wasn't there a mix up where Defoe couldn't play against Spurs' because he was technically on loan still?

In theory you can sign any player at any point during the season. It only matters when you sign them if you actually want to play them.

[Streets]

The reason we won't use it is that Coppell doesn't like loan players much, or the whole system itself.

His Brentford team were cleverly put together with a number of key loan signings at the time.

[Huntley & Palmer]

Season Long Loan with an option to buy is fine by me, Season long loan just to develop a player for someone else - no thanks.

Until today, I didn't realise that the transfer window does not apply to buying players whilst on loan with you. Hence why Defoe was on loan at Portsmouth for 4 days before they bought him after the transfer window. So we needn't wait until the end of the season if we want them

Aren't they still classed as loan players though until the next transfer window opens. Wasn't there a mix up where Defoe couldn't play against Spurs' because he was technically on loan still?

In theory you can sign any player at any point during the season. It only matters when you sign them if you actually want to play them.

Nope, there is a rather grey area about the ability to dictate to the buying team from the loaning team as to whether they can play against them or not. The rule was amended by the PL last season to say that any player signing permanently from a loan would not be elligible to play against their old team regardless. Big article from Martin Samuel about it today

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 159760.ece

[Hoop Blah]

I couldn't care less if every team in the Championship had £25 million to spend... you can only buy the best possible players for that level otherwise they would be playing in the Premiership.. I beleive most of our squad would be in the top class of championship player and the other teams have a lot to do just to catch up with us.

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say there....are you saying that you can only sign Championship players in the Championship and so all the money in the world won't help? Yo u don't think that if you offered average Premiership players, the likes of Sidwell for example, more money than they'd be on in the Premier that they wouldn't step down?

It all comes down to money, and every player has his price.

The championship last season was really poor... if West Brom was the best it could offer and teams like Palace and Watford could get in the playoffs then the others need to spend heaps just to catch up with our calibre of player, which is essentially the same squad that murdered the championship.

It's not essentially the same squad at all. A lot of the players are the same yes. Are they as good? Are they as motivated? Do they have the same spirit? Do we have our three most influential players from the promotion season fit, in form and raring to go?

[Alan Partridge]

If Mikkel andersen is Reading's number 2 keeper during August that will be a hearty ALOL.

[brendywendy]

just think thats rubbish

players want medals, and the chance to play in big games
a player with any ambition would be nuts to take a step down because some championship club offered rthem 10k a week more
unless he was coming toward sthe end of his career

do you seriously believe that if reading by some miracle offered sidwell 60k pw hed come back here rather than villa on 45 kpw?

or am i being naive

[Hoop Blah]

just think thats rubbish

players want medals, and the chance to play in big games
a player with any ambition would be nuts to take a step down because some championship club offered rthem 10k a week more
unless he was coming toward sthe end of his career

do you seriously believe that if reading by some miracle offered sidwell 60k pw hed come back here rather than villa on 45 kpw?

or am i being naive

It all depends on the numbers involved.

It might take more than the numbers you've given to sway them, but if it was a choice between Hull in the Prem or Reading in the Championship, with us offering 10k a week more I think I know which one the player would go for.

[Hoop Blah]

The reason we won't use it is that Coppell doesn't like loan players much, or the whole system itself.

His Brentford team were cleverly put together with a number of key loan signings at the time.

Coppell has been quite vocal in his dislike for the loan system though, and he only had two key loanee's at Brentford the year we beat them to promotion.

How many loan players have we had at Reading since Coppell took over? I can only think of Bikey, and that was only because he was such a gamble at the time.

I was going to check the numbers out on soccerbase, but I've just looked and they seem to think we've picked up Leigh Mills from Spurs on already!!!!!

[Hoop Blah]

I was going to check the numbers out on soccerbase, but I've just looked and they seem to think we've picked up Leigh Mills from Spurs on already!!!!!

Bizarrely, the Mills loan is actually to Brentford according to the Spurs website.

[londinium]

I couldn't care less if every team in the Championship had £25 million to spend... you can only buy the best possible players for that level otherwise they would be playing in the Premiership.. I beleive most of our squad would be in the top class of championship player and the other teams have a lot to do just to catch up with us.

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say there....are you saying that you can only sign Championship players in the Championship and so all the money in the world won't help? Yo u don't think that if you offered average Premiership players, the likes of Sidwell for example, more money than they'd be on in the Premier that they wouldn't step down?

It all comes down to money, and every player has his price.

The championship last season was really poor... if West Brom was the best it could offer and teams like Palace and Watford could get in the playoffs then the others need to spend heaps just to catch up with our calibre of player, which is essentially the same squad that murdered the championship.

It's not essentially the same squad at all. A lot of the players are the same yes. Are they as good? Are they as motivated? Do they have the same spirit? Do we have our three most influential players from the promotion season fit, in form and raring to go?

What I am saying is if the player is better than Championship level he will be playing in the premiership and hence no Championship club would get a sniff. You are right in thinking that a few may take the lure of etra dosh to drop down, but these would be far and few betweeen, and I for one wouldn't want anyone with that attitude.

It is essentially the same squad and how do you know they are not motivated or have the same spirit. They have been to 'the promised land' and maybe even more eager to get back.

Which 3 players are you talking about.. I didnt think anyone stood out in our Championship winning season... I thought it was more a 'whole squad' job. Please do not answer with 'Convey' or I will never take your footballing judgement serious ever again!!!!!!

[Stranded]

I was going to check the numbers out on soccerbase, but I've just looked and they seem to think we've picked up Leigh Mills from Spurs on already!!!!!

Bizarrely, the Mills loan is actually to Brentford according to the Spurs website.

Defintiely gone to Brentford, as is on their website as well.

[Hoop Blah]

What I am saying is if the player is better than Championship level he will be playing in the premiership and hence no Championship club would get a sniff. You are right in thinking that a few may take the lure of etra dosh to drop down, but these would be far and few betweeen, and I for one wouldn't want anyone with that attitude.

So none of our team that finished 8th in the Premiership would be good enough for the Prem? Sidwell, Little, Doyle, Harper, all the other players that have moved up from the Championship and established themselves over the years just aren't good enough whilst they're in the Championship? I'm talking of the likes of Lescott, Dawson, Jagielka, Bent, Johnson, Ashton, Ferdinand....

Beattie dropped down from the Prem to the Championship last season and was excellent (from what I saw and the number of goals he got) until he got injured.

It is essentially the same squad and how do you know they are not motivated or have the same spirit. They have been to 'the promised land' and maybe even more eager to get back.

I'm going by the comments from people within the club about attitude, application and commitment and their performances over the last 12 months. I'm also going by my expectation that a few of those players will soon be off because they either don't fancy another season or more in the Championship or they just 'need a new challenge" which is the football equivilent of "it's not you it's me."

Which 3 players are you talking about.. I didnt think anyone stood out in our Championship winning season... I thought it was more a 'whole squad' job. Please do not answer with 'Convey' or I will never take your footballing judgement serious ever again!!!!!!

The three players that were key to our promotion winning side were, in my opinion, Little, Sidwell and Sonko. The likes of Hahnemann, Shorey, Convey, Doyle and Kitson all played their part too, but those three were key to me.

[londinium]

What I am saying is if the player is better than Championship level he will be playing in the premiership and hence no Championship club would get a sniff. You are right in thinking that a few may take the lure of etra dosh to drop down, but these would be far and few betweeen, and I for one wouldn't want anyone with that attitude.

So none of our team that finished 8th in the Premiership would be good enough for the Prem? Sidwell, Little, Doyle, Harper, all the other players that have moved up from the Championship and established themselves over the years just aren't good enough whilst they're in the Championship? I'm talking of the likes of Lescott, Dawson, Jagielka, Bent, Johnson, Ashton, Ferdinand....

Beattie dropped down from the Prem to the Championship last season and was excellent (from what I saw and the number of goals he got) until he got injured.

It is essentially the same squad and how do you know they are not motivated or have the same spirit. They have been to 'the promised land' and maybe even more eager to get back.

I'm going by the comments from people within the club about attitude, application and commitment and their performances over the last 12 months. I'm also going by my expectation that a few of those players will soon be off because they either don't fancy another season or more in the Championship or they just 'need a new challenge" which is the football equivilent of "it's not you it's me."

Which 3 players are you talking about.. I didnt think anyone stood out in our Championship winning season... I thought it was more a 'whole squad' job. Please do not answer with 'Convey' or I will never take your footballing judgement serious ever again!!!!!!

The three players that were key to our promotion winning side were, in my opinion, Little, Sidwell and Sonko. The likes of Hahnemann, Shorey, Convey, Doyle and Kitson all played their part too, but those three were key to me.

What I am saying is if there are players available from prem clubs then they are likely to go to prem clubs... if there are really good champ players that are on the borderline of prem they will either go to prem or just get shifted around to other champ clubs... you are backing up my point in saying the likes of Doyle, Harper, Little are definately Prem class but they are with us. Beatie is the exception to the rule and I think you will find it hard to find many other Prem players that are still prem class dropping into the champ.

On the second point, it is impossible to judge anyones commitment until we know what the squad will be in August. Maybe it will be vastly differnt and the new blood may be really hungry to get into th eprem..Hard to tell.

Little, Sidwell and Sonko although great in the champ winning season are very hard to just single out the three.
I thought Ivar was immense (wasnt he player of the year), Kits, Doyle and Litas goals stand out, all subs (Hunt, Long especially) were very good, Bryn was in fine form, whole defence was solid.

All in all, I think that If we keep what we have we will be in a great position. If we sell the likes of Doyle, Hunt and Lita... we will get good money to then go and buy the top level champ players to replace them. Will we???....that is an etirely different question.

[cmonurz]

Season Long Loan with an option to buy is fine by me, Season long loan just to develop a player for someone else - no thanks.

Very good article on this in The Times today by Samuel.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 159760.ece

Interesting, and equally ridiculous, that clubs have unanimously voted to bring back the ambiguity around loans of players between Premier League clubs, and ambiguity around subsequent transfers. Last season loaned players were not allowed to play against their owners (which is why Defoe didn't play against Spurs, his deal was a loan deal pending Bendjani's move to City). Next season clubs will 'legally' be able to agree between themselves whether a play plays in crucial fixtures, as in the case of Tim Howard in 2006.

[Hoop Blah]

What I am saying is if there are players available from prem clubs then they are likely to go to prem clubs... if there are really good champ players that are on the borderline of prem they will either go to prem or just get shifted around to other champ clubs... you are backing up my point in saying the likes of Doyle, Harper, Little are definately Prem class but they are with us. Beatie is the exception to the rule and I think you will find it hard to find many other Prem players that are still prem class dropping into the champ.

How is a list of players good enough for the Prem playing in the Championship helping to prove your point that all players good enough for the Prem are playing there?

On the second point, it is impossible to judge anyones commitment until we know what the squad will be in August. Maybe it will be vastly differnt and the new blood may be really hungry to get into th eprem..Hard to tell.

It is difficult to tell yes, but from what I've seen and from comments from Coppell, Hahnemann, Sonko and Murty I've come to the conclusion that the commitment and spirit that served us so well vanished with our hopes of a European tour.

Little, Sidwell and Sonko although great in the champ winning season are very hard to just single out the three.
I thought Ivar was immense (wasnt he player of the year), Kits, Doyle and Litas goals stand out, all subs (Hunt, Long especially) were very good, Bryn was in fine form, whole defence was solid.

Ivar won player of the year for our first season in the Premiership. It's just my opinion but the formidable defending of 'superman,' Sidwell's drive and determination and Little's sheer brillance were the key reasons for our success. I don't think it's any coincidence that the loss of those three happened in the same year we got relegated.

All in all, I think that If we keep what we have we will be in a great position. If we sell the likes of Doyle, Hunt and Lita... we will get good money to then go and buy the top level champ players to replace them. Will we???....that is an etirely different question.

All in all, I don't agree.

[Huntley & Palmer]

Season Long Loan with an option to buy is fine by me, Season long loan just to develop a player for someone else - no thanks.

Very good article on this in The Times today by Samuel.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 159760.ece

Interesting, and equally ridiculous, that clubs have unanimously voted to bring back the ambiguity around loans of players between Premier League clubs, and ambiguity around subsequent transfers. Last season loaned players were not allowed to play against their owners (which is why Defoe didn't play against Spurs, his deal was a loan deal pending Bendjani's move to City). Next season clubs will 'legally' be able to agree between themselves whether a play plays in crucial fixtures, as in the case of Tim Howard in 2006.

Dodd I'm afraid, within the same page

[hutch]

According to skytext today Coppell will "turn his attention to the loan market" as he strives to strengthen his squad. Bit of a turnaround don`t you think?!!

[Alan Partridge]

According to skytext today Coppell will "turn his attention to the loan market" as he strives to strengthen his squad. Bit of a turnaround don`t you think?!!

by gettign in Michael Dobson and Sekou Baradji

[Gordons Cumming]

I agree with Coppells right footed 11, why doesn`t Steve Coppell contact Messr`s Ferguson, Scolari, Wenger, Benitez, Ramos etc about taking players on a seasons loan. An example is Swansea last season, they loaned Paul Anderson, a 19 year old winger from Liverpool. He scored 10 goals and was voted young player of the year. Notts Forest are currently preparing a750 k bid for him. My point is there must be some talented youngsters at the top 4-6 Prem clubs who are itching to play and who would jump at the chance of a loan. It would be a great opportunity to get 30+ games under their belt and show their parent club what they are capable of.

The names Sidwell and Harper resonate here............................I think...............?