The Snowball stat thread

[Snowball]

Not a tremendous amount in it at the moment


5 Reading 26 6-4-3 20-13 6-2-5 14-13 +08 42 Points 2012
7 Reading 26 6-5-2 23-13 4-5-4 17-14 +13 40 Points 2011

But this is a little more interesting


05 Reading 26 6-4-3 20-13 6-2-5 14-13 +08 42 Points 2012
12 Reading 32 6-7-3 25-16 4-7-5 21-19 +11 44 Points 2012

That is we have 18 points to play for, six games in hand, and are just 2 points off where we were
last season after 32 games


So we need to better a 2 points total from these games

H Hull
H Bristol
A Doncaster
H Coventry
A Derby
H Burnley

[melonhead]

some very very winnable games in that little lot

[Simon's Church]

D, W, W, W, W, W

[Ian Royal]

D, W, W, W, W, W

I really hope you get 10 in a row right. Although I guess I could forgive you if you get Hull wrong because we win.

[Snowball]

League Form Table Since Doncaster (includes Watford win)

Reading FC Top Form Team over the last 20 Games

01 20 11-5-4 09 Clean Sheets 27-17 +10 38 1.90 Reading
02 20 11-4-5 10 Clean Sheets 26-16 +10 37 1.85 West Ham United
03 20 10-5-5 06 Clean Sheets 35-20 +15 35 1.75 Southampton
04 20 09-8-3 08 Clean Sheets 32-21 +11 35 1.75 Cardiff City
05 20 09-6-5 06 Clean Sheets 31-19 +12 33 1.65 Birmingham City
06 20 10-3-7 07 Clean Sheets 23-19 +04 33 1.65 Hull City
07 21 11-1-9 06 Clean Sheets 34-25 +09 34 1.62 Burnley
08 20 09-5-6 05 Clean Sheets 29-26 +03 32 1.60 Leeds United
09 20 08-7-5 09 Clean Sheets 18-20 -02 31 1.55 Middlesbrough
10 20 09-3-8 03 Clean Sheets 33-33 -00 30 1.50 Barnsley

[Wycombe Royal]

Snowball, a question for you:

What is 11+5+4?

[Snowball]

That's cos I cut pasted from Statto, update WLD and goals, missed "games played"


If u check u'll find all the other bits are right

[Extended-Phenotype]

Pearce has scored 3 goals, and Harte has a sackful of assists. While not an 'attackers', is it not important to show that our defenders scoring and creating more than some of our midfielders?

[Simon's Church]

The Reading site has them down as

Kebe 6 assists
McAnuff 7 assists
ALF 3 assists
HRK 3 assists

Whose are right?

[Snowball]

E-Pheno


It could read "Attacker Stats"


I was interested in the strike-force and midfield

[Snowball]

Le Fondre example

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/adam- ... 46106.html

That says 4 assists.


Can't remember which assists, which games but sure he's had five.

Would need to trawl thru to re-find them

[Simon's Church]

So wherever you get the 'facts' from you'll end up with different numbers. Doesn't that make this a bit pointless?

[Wycombe Royal]

So wherever you get the 'facts' from you'll end up with different numbers. Doesn't that make this a bit pointless?

But we know that Snowball will just use the stats/fact that illustrate the point he is trying to make, regardless of whether they are correct or relevant.

[Snowball]

Melon it's NOTHING to do with "statistical laws" or convention.



In the FEW cases where I have given assists which were not strictly assists
(in the sense of a deliberate flick-on or pass or header down etc, to the scorer)
I've explained myself.

That's why I have called them Major Contributions.

Here are some examples. Last season or the one before when Kebe did brilliant
(at Boro) got to the by line and hammered the ball across goal right on the goal-line
and it was deflected in by a defender. Technically an OG, and TECHNICALLY therefore
not an assist. I couldn't give a monkeys. Kebe MADE the goal END.

He has had a similar one this year and I awarded that.

Next (last season) where he dribbled 90 yards in just under half a second (joke)
and again had a tremendous part in the goal, EVEN THOUGH, AFTER he crossed a defender
touched it next before the RFC player (Hunt?) scored.

What I'm interested in is showing the players who had a BIG (attacking) effect on the goal.


Next example, Harte's super cross for Kebe to "score". That ought to have been a Harte assist
and a Kebe goal but Church touched it B4 it crossed the line, relegating a goal to an assist
and Harte to "nowhere". I gave Harte a half-assist.


PLEASE stop complaining about these things. A total of 3 this season, (wow). I'm not going
to change my beliefs. I've explained them. Take it or leave it.



PS The OS is OFTEN out and out of date. eg They didn't award an assist last season when Long (on the floor) got the ball to Pearce who scored

[melonhead]

Melon it's NOTHING to do with "statistical laws" or convention.



In the FEW cases where I have given assists which were not strictly assists
(in the sense of a deliberate flick-on or pass or header down etc, to the scorer)
I've explained myself.

That's why I have called them Major Contributions.

Here are some examples. Last season or the one before when Kebe did brilliant
(at Boro) got to the by line and hammered the ball across goal right on the goal-line
and it was deflected in by a defender. Technically an OG, and TECHNICALLY therefore
not an assist. I couldn't give a monkeys. Kebe MADE the goal END.

He has had a similar one this year and I awarded that.

Next (last season) where he dribbled 90 yards in just under half a second (joke)
and again had a tremendous part in the goal, EVEN THOUGH, AFTER he crossed a defender
touched it next before the RFC player (Hunt?) scored.

What I'm interested in is showing the players who had a BIG (attacking) effect on the goal.


Next example, Harte's super cross for Kebe to "score". That ought to have been a Harte assist
and a Kebe goal but Church touched it B4 it crossed the line, relegating a goal to an assist
and Harte to "nowhere". I gave Harte a half-assist.


PLEASE stop complaining about these things. A total of 3 this season, (wow). I'm not going
to change my beliefs. I've explained them. Take it or leave it.



PS The OS is OFTEN out and out of date. eg They didn't award an assist last season when Long (on the floor) got the ball to Pearce who scored

its exactly because you only give half assists in a few cases, ie the most recent that fit your argument, that makes them ridiculous.
if you had monitored them throughout the season, and noted them all down- it would have a modicum of credibility

and to think i used to support and back you up on here against the bullys


and this is how you repay me.

with half assists!

[Snowball]

So wherever you get the 'facts' from you'll end up with different numbers. Doesn't that make this a bit pointless?

NO.

You use the best source. The OS is dodgy, WIKI is dodgy

What I have done is to update the figures MYSELF from the previous game's stats
after seeing the goals/assists myself.


So I simply add the minutes each game (mental arithmetic) and add goals-assists.

It's possible I could add something up wrongly.

In Church's case, assists isn't a problem. He virtually never has any!

[Snowball]

its exactly because you only give half assists in a few cases, ie the most recent that fit your argument, that makes them ridiculous.
if you had monitored them throughout the season, and noted them all down- it would have a modicum of credibility

Sweet FA to doing with fitting any argument

Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that "REALLY" Kebe deserved to not get that goal
and Harte deserved NOT to get the assist and Church deserved a goal for touching a ball
that was going in anyway? And I CLEARLY explained my motivation.

(BTW I did not award the goal to Kebe or take it off Church - but interesting "politics"
that when Church touched MCANUFF's shot - and had MORE of an impact on the goal -
the powers that be, and this list, still let McAnuff keep the goal. )

And I HAVE noted ALL the half-assist (as I saw them) for the WHOLE season, AND posted to explain.

and to think i used to support and back you up on here against the bullys


and this is how you repay me.

with half assists!

If U are unable to understand that occasionally (maybe 5 times a season)
a player has a huge impact on a goal even if technically he is not the scorer
or the person who passes TO the scorer, that's your problem, not mine.



A player could be looking the other way, get a clearance in the back which
then drops to a striker who scores. THAT is officially an assist AKA a joke.

[Snowball]

So wherever you get the 'facts' from you'll end up with different numbers. Doesn't that make this a bit pointless?

But we know that Snowball will just use the stats/fact that illustrate the point he is trying to make, regardless of whether they are correct or relevant.

YAWN.


I am interested in honesty and clarity.

eg Nobody could accuse me of being a Church "Fan"
yet I argued he should get McAnuff's second goal

[Hoop Blah]

No real issue with some of the 'half assists' you're awarding snowball, but how have you got McAnuff on less assists than the official stats?

I can understand how you've inflated a few but surely you shouldn't be taking away 'assists' as well should you?

[melonhead]

its exactly because you only give half assists in a few cases, ie the most recent that fit your argument, that makes them ridiculous.
if you had monitored them throughout the season, and noted them all down- it would have a modicum of credibility

Sweet FA to doing with fitting any argument

Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that "REALLY" Kebe deserved to not get that goal
and Harte deserved NOT to get the assist and Church deserved a goal for touching a ball
that was going in anyway? And I CLEARLY explained my motivation.

(BTW I did not award the goal to Kebe or take it off Church - but interesting "politics"
that when Church touched MCANUFF's shot - and had MORE of an impact on the goal -
the powers that be, and this list, still let McAnuff keep the goal. )

And I HAVE noted ALL the half-assist (as I saw them) for the WHOLE season, AND posted to explain.

and to think i used to support and back you up on here against the bullys


and this is how you repay me.

with half assists!

If U are unable to understand that occasionally (maybe 5 times a season)
a player has a huge impact on a goal even if technically he is not the scorer
or the person who passes TO the scorer, that's your problem, not mine.



A player could be looking the other way, get a clearance in the back which
then drops to a striker who scores. THAT is officially an assist AKA a joke.

ridiculous arguments- agree totally that kebe played a big part in that goal.
but you only started introducing the "half assist" part way through the season, and you did not award them from game 1, or for every goal
so its daft.


Mcanuffs shot hit the defender on the head- the defender himself said so.
i can think of no reason why a defender would say such a thing if it didnt happen, and he is under no pressure from the faceless powers that be at our club.


and that is yet another reason to believe you are a fool.