FAO Jimmy Kebe

[Ian Royal]

So Kebe has 3 assists in 17 games and McAnuff has 8 assists (assuming your figures are correct) in 28 starts.

So almost three times as many assists in about one and a half times as many games.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

[Snowball]

So Kebe has 3 assists in 17 games and McAnuff has 8 assists (assuming your figures are correct) in 28 starts.

So almost three times as many assists in about one and a half times as many games.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

You don't have to be a twunt all the time Ian, take a night off.


SCORING a goal is AT LEAST as good as getting an assist.


If a player scores a goal is he not creating a goal?

The figures, BTW, are the club's official figures

[Snowball]

Of course you can use assists as a measure to compare players

I'll raise you their goals

1 assist every 5.7 Games 1 GOAL every 03.5 Games KEBE
1 assist every 3.4 Games 1 GOAL every 28.0 games McAnuff

Mac's assists are 1.4 times more often than Kebe.

Kebe's GOALSCORING is EIGHT times better than Mac's. No CONTEST!


Mac passes cos he can't shoot.

Kebe passes into the net!

[RobRoyal]

Of course you can use assists as a measure to compare players

I'll raise you their goals

1 assist every 5.7 Games 1 GOAL every 03.5 Games KEBE
1 assist every 3.4 Games 1 GOAL every 28.0 games McAnuff

Mac's assists are 1.4 times more often than Kebe.

Kebe's GOALSCORING is EIGHT times better than Mac's. No CONTEST!


Mac passes cos he can't shoot.

Kebe passes into the net!

Can you give me the statistics and quantify the benefit of McAnuff keeping possession for the team versus Kebe gormlessly giving the ball away all the time? Cheers.

[Snowball]

How about one statistic ... we are winning 1-0 at WBA and McAnuff makes
the worst possible back-pass, WBA score and we go on to lose 3-1


How about another. One Red Card this season. McAnuff.



I really like Mac as a player, really like him, but he hardly "holds the ball"
he goes on dribbles... but his shooting is like Kebe's was last year

We have scored 53 goals in league and FA Cup this year, and Kebe has scored 5 of those, not bad for a winger

[Maguire]

As founding member of the Jimmy Kebe Fan Club, I'm finding this recent run of good form rather pleasing.

errrrrr I loved Jimmy before you and with much more emotion

You're wrong, I loved him from before he was born.

[Gandalf Presley]

Alweays happy to see a player doing well. However, if it shuts the twats behind me in Y19 up I'm even more happy!!

[CMRoyal]

How about one statistic ... we are winning 1-0 at WBA and McAnuff makes
the worst possible back-pass, WBA score and we go on to lose 3-1


How about another. One Red Card this season. McAnuff.



I really like Mac as a player, really like him, but he hardly "holds the ball"
he goes on dribbles... but his shooting is like Kebe's was last year

We have scored 53 goals in league and FA Cup this year, and Kebe has scored 5 of those, not bad for a winger

Agreed, Jobi's finishing has been appalling. The one thing that worked in Jobi's favour earlier in the season (apart from the creativity) was his work-rate. But that has dropped off a bit recently. Some put it down to disinterestedness, some to double-marking, but I think it's also at least partly down to fatigue - he was really carrying the team a few months ago and it's taken its toll. In some respects this suspension could be well-timed now that Jimmy's playing well and Gylfi's back. It gives Jobi the rest he desperately needs.

[brendywendy]

Jimmy has improved his finishing massively. //
McAnuff seems to retain possession better, or at least get something positive out of a much higher proportion of the attacks he's involved in - and as we can see from his assist stats, create more actual goals.

You're wrong, Ian


Mac has scored 1 goal and has 8 assists so has "created" 9 goals IN 28 STARTS 1 goal in every 3.1 games

Kebe has scored 5 goals and has 3 assists, so has created 8 goals in 17 starts (and 13 sub appearances = 19 starts) 1 goal created in every 2.4 games

So KEBE, not McAnuff creates more chances per game played

How do the statistics reflect the fact that the fact that there are often two players marking Jobi, leaving spaces for others, including Kebe, to exploit?

Football is such a complex, multi-faceted game, with two teams of eleven - and what each player does subtly affects what the other 21 can do. All the depths, nuances and inter-connections can't be measured by such unsophisticated statistics.

jimi gets doubled up all teh time too though. theyre usually those games where he appears rubbish

[RobRoyal]

How about one statistic ... we are winning 1-0 at WBA and McAnuff makes
the worst possible back-pass, WBA score and we go on to lose 3-1


How about another. One Red Card this season. McAnuff.



I really like Mac as a player, really like him, but he hardly "holds the ball"
he goes on dribbles... but his shooting is like Kebe's was last year

We have scored 53 goals in league and FA Cup this year, and Kebe has scored 5 of those, not bad for a winger

My point Snowball, as you've adequately demonstated above, is that your assist and goals stats are only the quantitive part of a footballer's performance, and that there's a whole lot else besides that isn't so easily quantifiable. We disagree on the relative merits of two players, and neither of us can provide a meaningful statistic to demonstrate who gives the ball away most in promising situations.

[Snowball]

A winger's job is to provide crosses. TICK

Some of those crosses will provide assists, some will be a secondary assist (eg cross, knock-down-goal)

A winger's job is to score a few goals, say 4-5-6 a season. TICK

A winger's job is to tackle back and help the full-back. TICK.


IMO both Mac and Kebe are having good seasons. In some ways I think Mac flatters to deceive.
I say so because his actual assists are not amazing (less than 1 every three games)
and he isn't compensating by scoring a few (1 every 28 games)


EDIT: I meant to add that I write these posts because I think
Kebe (most of the time) doesn't get a fair deal. I believe
there is a raucous (stupid) minority that "decides to hate"
and refuses ever then to see good in a player.

Oster, Long, Kebe... (and a few slammed Mac before he started playing!)

and wasn't Bikey ripped one by a fair few fans, and Pearce, of course


Usually "fans" who never played, couldn't play and probably have
dead-end jobs and sh!t marriages

[SLAMMED]

Steady up, shit post.

[Rax]

Well, as an RFC fan - I'm delighted Kebe is finally showing us some of his true form - long may it continue!

Even the most ardent STG wearer must appreciate what he's done recently??

Love him or hate him, he's OUR player and therefore you must support him - I would not like him in the oppo's team on this form, that's for sure!

[statto]

I always have a wry chuckle when I read stuff about Kebe.

It seems some supporters genuinely believe we should have someone brilliantly outstanding playing there.

The fact is, those wingers play for good teams, we are a team currently hoping for a lower midtable finish in the championship.

We've got slim Jim, who can be great and can be terrible, as is consistent with a lot of players at this level.

If he was better, he'd be playing for someone better, it's a fairly simple concept.

A good coach should be able to get the best out of him, which seems to be happening.

[Royalee]

FAO ROYALEEEE

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I'm pleased he's finally finding some good form - it has taken him over 2 years after all and I sincerely hope it continues, well done Jimmy.

[wolsey]

FAO ROYALEEEE

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I'm pleased he's finally finding some good form - it has taken him over 2 years after all and I sincerely hope it continues, well done Jimmy.

Good response....welcome back.

[Terminal Boardom]

FAO ROYALEEEE

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I'm pleased he's finally finding some good form - it has taken him over 2 years after all and I sincerely hope it continues, well done Jimmy.

Good response....welcome back.

He lives!!!

[juanpablo]

I knew Royalee would say somthing like that


people like strap are lost

[Royalwaster]

A winger's job is to provide crosses. TICK

Some of those crosses will provide assists, some will be a secondary assist (eg cross, knock-down-goal)

A winger's job is to score a few goals, say 4-5-6 a season. TICK

A winger's job is to tackle back and help the full-back. TICK.


IMO both Mac and Kebe are having good seasons. In some ways I think Mac flatters to deceive.
I say so because his actual assists are not amazing (less than 1 every three games)
and he isn't compensating by scoring a few (1 every 28 games)


EDIT: I meant to add that I write these posts because I think
Kebe (most of the time) doesn't get a fair deal. I believe
there is a raucous (stupid) minority that "decides to hate"
and refuses ever then to see good in a player.

Oster, Long, Kebe... (and a few slammed Mac before he started playing!)

and wasn't Bikey ripped one by a fair few fans, and Pearce, of course


Usually "fans" who never played, couldn't play and probably have
dead-end jobs and sh!t marriages

Good post - well put!

[PieEater]

Kebe is clearly a confidence player, he's consistently played better away from home as he can't take any pressure that our home fans dish out. Not that's it's much, he just can't take any.

IMHO too often he's consistently taken the wrong decision in situations because he's been nagged to pass or do something different in previous situations he's cocked up. He'd be much better trying to be less of a team player and become more selfish.