Do you think we tried our best to win against Charlton?

[Wycombe Royal]

We lost on Saturday precisely because the players went all out to win the game and left themselves a bit exposed.

Maybe that was all part of Coppell's devious masterplan to lose games and not qualify for Europe.

[Z-Head]

Yes.

[Skin]

Yes, and the team was freshened up.

[readingbedding]

Yes we did.
100%

[Dr Hfuhruhurr]

Come on, the team last night wasnt that weak. So what if Seol and Long started. Throwing on Oster isnt going to strengthen anything up.

But at the end of the day, it didnt really matter whether we won or not and Im pretty sure the players know that. However, despite that, Reading still tried to win the game, IMO.

[readingbedding]

Cannot believe that they are some people on here who don't believe that Coppell and the players were not at Charlton to win the match.

What a load of bollox.

[Schards#2]

Cannot believe that they are some people on here who don't believe that Coppell and the players were not at Charlton to win the match.

What a load of bollox.

They were trying to win the game to the same extent that they were trying to win at Birmingham.

i.e, nice if we do, not the end of the world if we don't, not going to give it everything.

[readingbedding]

Cannot believe that they are some people on here who don't believe that Coppell and the players were not at Charlton to win the match.

What a load of bollox.

They were trying to win the game to the same extent that they were trying to win at Birmingham.

i.e, nice if we do, not the end of the world if we don't, not going to give it everything.

I'm sure players like Harper would be very chuffed to hear your interpretation of a good result away from home against a team who collected their 4th clean sheet in a row.

We went there to win.
We didn't.

Being at the Birmingham game and the Charlton game, apart from 1 team being Reading FC, I couldn't see any similarities of them not trying to win.

These players are professional footballers and if any fans feel as though they are being ripped off, well I wouldn't bother going.

[Vision]

Cannot believe that they are some people on here who don't believe that Coppell and the players were not at Charlton to win the match.

What a load of bollox.

They were trying to win the game to the same extent that they were trying to win at Birmingham.

i.e, nice if we do, not the end of the world if we don't, not going to give it everything.

Which of the 11 players selected last night didn't "give it everything" ?

[Schards#2]

Cannot believe that they are some people on here who don't believe that Coppell and the players were not at Charlton to win the match.

What a load of bollox.

They were trying to win the game to the same extent that they were trying to win at Birmingham.

i.e, nice if we do, not the end of the world if we don't, not going to give it everything.

I'm sure players like Harper would be very chuffed to hear your interpretation of a good result away from home against a team who collected their 4th clean sheet in a row.

We went there to win.
We didn't.

Being at the Birmingham game and the Charlton game, apart from 1 team being Reading FC, I couldn't see any similarities of them not trying to win.
These players are professional footballers and if any fans feel as though they are being ripped off, well I wouldn't bother going.

Did you actually read my comment? I said they were trying to win just not, as a club, giving it 100% of their resources as they would in an important league game.

I'll take your advice and on the evidence of last night and the tail end of last season, won't bother with the remaining away games as I don't see value in watching sides not giving it everything..

[Schards#2]

Cannot believe that they are some people on here who don't believe that Coppell and the players were not at Charlton to win the match.

What a load of bollox.

They were trying to win the game to the same extent that they were trying to win at Birmingham.

i.e, nice if we do, not the end of the world if we don't, not going to give it everything.

Which of the 11 players selected last night didn't "give it everything" ?

None, if I was selected I would have also given it everything, that does not equate to the club giving it everything.

[Vision]

Cannot believe that they are some people on here who don't believe that Coppell and the players were not at Charlton to win the match.

What a load of bollox.

They were trying to win the game to the same extent that they were trying to win at Birmingham.

i.e, nice if we do, not the end of the world if we don't, not going to give it everything.

Which of the 11 players selected last night didn't "give it everything" ?

None, if I was selected I would have also given it everything, that does not equate to the club giving it everything.

Sorry but we're obviously gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

There are very few managers in the Premiership that would pick the exact same eleven for both games over the Easter period after losing the first one.

No disrespect but if you were selceted then your point would be valid but the simple fact is that all of the players selected have contributed at some stage to our season and all of those gave 100% to the cause last night.
Given that, I really can't see how it can be classed even as "the Club not giving it everything"

[readingbedding]

Cannot believe that they are some people on here who don't believe that Coppell and the players were not at Charlton to win the match.

What a load of bollox.

They were trying to win the game to the same extent that they were trying to win at Birmingham.

i.e, nice if we do, not the end of the world if we don't, not going to give it everything.

I'm sure players like Harper would be very chuffed to hear your interpretation of a good result away from home against a team who collected their 4th clean sheet in a row.

We went there to win.
We didn't.

Being at the Birmingham game and the Charlton game, apart from 1 team being Reading FC, I couldn't see any similarities of them not trying to win.
These players are professional footballers and if any fans feel as though they are being ripped off, well I wouldn't bother going.

Did you actually read my comment? I said they were trying to win just not, as a club, giving it 100% of their resources as they would in an important league game.

I'll take your advice and on the evidence of last night and the tail end of last season, won't bother with the remaining away games as I don't see value in watching sides not giving it everything..

Oh, you're now talking about the Manager picking an 'inferior' side, in comparison to the one against Liverpool.
Is that what you mean?

You obviously saw a different Doyle and Kitson than I did on Saturday then.
Doyle is a shadow of the player prior to the injury and Coppell thought that Kitson was shagged out, so he decided to freshen up the attack.

Do you think that (just like Birmingham?) Coppell has decided that it's not a problem just to play these players as they will never be able to get a result, I mean why did he buy these players in the first place if only to use them in games such as these.

Coppell has had the best interest of the Club at heart since day 1 joining here, his integrity is not in question.
Being 9th in the Premiership in our first ever season is more evidence of this, rather than a suspicious claim with no real basis.

If you don't trust him, don't go.

[Schards#2]

Cannot believe that they are some people on here who don't believe that Coppell and the players were not at Charlton to win the match.

What a load of bollox.

They were trying to win the game to the same extent that they were trying to win at Birmingham.

i.e, nice if we do, not the end of the world if we don't, not going to give it everything.

I'm sure players like Harper would be very chuffed to hear your interpretation of a good result away from home against a team who collected their 4th clean sheet in a row.

We went there to win.
We didn't.

Being at the Birmingham game and the Charlton game, apart from 1 team being Reading FC, I couldn't see any similarities of them not trying to win.
These players are professional footballers and if any fans feel as though they are being ripped off, well I wouldn't bother going.

Did you actually read my comment? I said they were trying to win just not, as a club, giving it 100% of their resources as they would in an important league game.

I'll take your advice and on the evidence of last night and the tail end of last season, won't bother with the remaining away games as I don't see value in watching sides not giving it everything..

Oh, you're now talking about the Manager picking an 'inferior' side, in comparison to the one against Liverpool.
Is that what you mean?

You obviously saw a different Doyle and Kitson than I did on Saturday then.
Doyle is a shadow of the player prior to the injury and Coppell thought that Kitson was shagged out, so he decided to freshen up the attack.

Do you think that (just like Birmingham?) Coppell has decided that it's not a problem just to play these players as they will never be able to get a result, I mean why did he buy these players in the first place if only to use them in games such as these.

Coppell has had the best interest of the Club at heart since day 1 joining here, his integrity is not in question.
Being 9th in the Premiership in our first ever season is more evidence of this, rather than a suspicious rant with no real basis.

If you don't trust him, don't go.

What on earth are you talking about?

You are the only person talking about integrity and trust here.

I'm saying we didn't play our best side and also made no subs when the game was crying out for them, therefore, as a club, we were not trying 100% to win, therefore, I consider it a waste of time and money going to the game.

Coppell has his reasons, some of them perfectly valid, but it's my personal opinion that it's not worth going if were not giving it everything. For the same reason, I don't go to pre season friendlies.

[Wycombe Royal]

I'm saying we didn't play our best side and also made no subs when the game was crying out for them, therefore, as a club, we were not trying 100% to win, therefore, I consider it a waste of time and money going to the game.

I was surprised that substitutions weren't made, but who is to say that any substitutions would have had a positive effect on the outcome? We were well in control of the match, having more possession and territorial advantage, and one thing you don't do is upset the rythym of a team that is playing well in a match, unless someone is injured or knackered - neither were the case last night. Even the commentators were saying at one point that it was only a matter of time before we scored.

On Saturday we made a substition on 83 minutes and by the 87th minute we were losing.

[readingbedding]

Cannot believe that they are some people on here who don't believe that Coppell and the players were not at Charlton to win the match.

What a load of bollox.

They were trying to win the game to the same extent that they were trying to win at Birmingham.

i.e, nice if we do, not the end of the world if we don't, not going to give it everything.

I'm sure players like Harper would be very chuffed to hear your interpretation of a good result away from home against a team who collected their 4th clean sheet in a row.

We went there to win.
We didn't.

Being at the Birmingham game and the Charlton game, apart from 1 team being Reading FC, I couldn't see any similarities of them not trying to win.
These players are professional footballers and if any fans feel as though they are being ripped off, well I wouldn't bother going.

Did you actually read my comment? I said they were trying to win just not, as a club, giving it 100% of their resources as they would in an important league game.

I'll take your advice and on the evidence of last night and the tail end of last season, won't bother with the remaining away games as I don't see value in watching sides not giving it everything..

Oh, you're now talking about the Manager picking an 'inferior' side, in comparison to the one against Liverpool.
Is that what you mean?

You obviously saw a different Doyle and Kitson than I did on Saturday then.
Doyle is a shadow of the player prior to the injury and Coppell thought that Kitson was shagged out, so he decided to freshen up the attack.

Do you think that (just like Birmingham?) Coppell has decided that it's not a problem just to play these players as they will never be able to get a result, I mean why did he buy these players in the first place if only to use them in games such as these.

Coppell has had the best interest of the Club at heart since day 1 joining here, his integrity is not in question.
Being 9th in the Premiership in our first ever season is more evidence of this, rather than a suspicious rant with no real basis.

If you don't trust him, don't go.

What on earth are you talking about?

You are the only person talking about integrity and trust here.

I'm saying we didn't play our best side and also made no subs when the game was crying out for them, therefore, as a club, we were not trying 100% to win, therefore, I consider it a waste of time and money going to the game.

Coppell has his reasons, some of them perfectly valid, but it's my personal opinion that it's not worth going if were not giving it everything. For the same reason, I don't go to pre season friendlies.

You can't trust him 100% if he is not trying 100% to win.
If you feel that these game plans that he has, has not got the Club's best interest at heart you cannot trust him.

If you feel that he's not giving 100% don't go.
You can always come back when you feel that he is trying 100% to win the match can't you.

We are only 9th after all.

[Dirk Gently]

It's down to how much you trust SC.

That man's team selections have put us where we are now - 9th in the Premier League, and disappointed that we draw away at Charlton and because we lose to Liverpool by a single, late goal.

SC constantly surprises me with his team selections, and more often than not they work. OK, it didn't come off this time, but SC is still massively in credit, so I'm not going to suddenly start criticising his decisions or selections, because I trust his judgement completely.

I don't think any one of us can pretend that we know better than SC in any way.

[readingbedding]

Definitely.

An example of this is Doyle.
Doyle is completely shot at the moment, anyone who was at the Liverpool match could have seen that.
I agree that Doyle should have been rested against Charlton and Coppell did have the Club's best interest by doing that.
He felt that Long and Lita would be better than a tired Doyle and Kitson - I feel that he has the club's best interest at heart, so I trust him.

Some don't.

But don't tell me that he dropped a vibrant and alive Kevin Doyle

[Wycombe Royal]

But don't tell me that he dropped a vibrant and alive Kevin Doyle

He definately dropped an "alive" Kevin Doyle. If that wasn't the case I think we would have heard about it in the news by now.

[3 veesinarow]

RL (and, by extension, Schards), if you believe you have a strong enough point to make that you have to set up a poll to reinforce that view, you must accept that the result may go against you. RL, you "can't believe" that 70% of responses have gone against your view, but "your humble opinion" is, so far, in a minority. If you don't like the result, don't just dismiss the counter-views as unbelievable. It is what you asked for, it's not what you got - tough.
Schards, if you don't think your team is worthy of your fan-pound, than don't spend it. Anyone that really, honestly, believes that they aren't trying their hearts out doesn't deserve the title of supporter. I go to every game hoping the team will win, but knowing they will be doing their utmost to try to make it happen. If it doesn't happen, it's disappointing, but I will be ever-hopeful for the next game and the next and the next. I don't say "I know they won't try at Bolton, so I'm not going."
I have so far resisted all temptation to join in with the debate on this or the back from the game thread, but the lack of support for the club through the "I've spent £150 and I demand the right to insult the intelligence and honesty of Steve Coppell" train of thought is, frankly, sick-making. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no-one is entitled to inveigle such undue pressure on the club by making statements such as "I KNOW they didn't try hard enough".
This morning, you could be supporting Brentford...you would, at least, have a legitimate right to denigrate the club in such a way, although I'm sure the Brentford players feel they've given everything, but nothing has gone right for them.