Loanwatch 09-10

[Sun Tzu]

Our academy must be one of the best in the south at the moment. Look at the quality of the players we have produced over the years. The quality of the players coming through now is also very impressive.

There were a few posters on here saying that it would take 5-7 years before we saw a steady flow of quality players emerging from the Academy.

Well done to those, they have been proved correct !

Shows the merit of taking a longer term view on things.

[Gav]

Alex McCarthy made a bit of a howler against Bristol Rovers today. David Mooney scored a nice goal for Charlton though. Oliver Bozanic scored for whoever he is playing for too, can't remember.

Some local park team down the road. Great goal by Mooney I noticed he was giving the Charlton fans the cupped ear treatment, which would suggest they have not been over impresed by his performances?

To say the least...!!

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Subject: David Mooney
Author: Mike Smith -Posted 22/03/2010 at 01:36 PM
Message: I have honestly never disliked a Charlton player more than 'Big Dave'. From his performances for Charlton he is obviously a very average player which cannot be helped. But the complete lack of effort and his fear of physical contact adds to the limited ability he posseses making him possibly the worst player I have seen play for Charlton. After seeing some of the rubbish produced by Mcleod and Dickson I thought surely we couldn't get someone worse in, but the we signed Mooney, not only once but then resigned him as well. Until his goal on saturday I just didnt like him due to his poor performances but that goal celebration really angered me. Does he really think one decent goal in more than 20 games makes up for every poor, effortless performance so far? He has been deservedly given stick for his performances and one goal does not make up for that. If he wants to prove a point to fans then he should start giving 100% and putting his head in where it hurts.

Also Parkinson's comments that he 'lack football league experience' why did you sign him then? We have needed a proven goalscorer all season and I know that it is very hard to find one of these but why sign someone with less experience and less ability than the strikers we already had. If he continues to start and play 90 minutes every week then I really worry about us making the playoffs.

[West_Reading]

Reading the Millers board, which Winchester_Royal gave the link for, it seems as though Bell-Baggie has been an absolute revelation in his two cameos so far for them.

[Row Z Royal]

Antonio scores in the JPT final. He's playing well, to be fair.

[Sarah Star]

Antonio scores in the JPT final. He's playing well, to be fair.

good goal!

[howser]

Very good goal and looking very competant throughout the game, he is physically strong, quick feet, looks good

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

Our academy must be one of the best in the south at the moment. Look at the quality of the players we have produced over the years. The quality of the players coming through now is also very impressive.

There were a few posters on here saying that it would take 5-7 years before we saw a steady flow of quality players emerging from the Academy.

Well done to those, they have been proved correct !

Shows the merit of taking a longer term view on things.

Beat an Arsenal team featuring 2 Englishmen and 3 1st year pros 4 - 2 on Saturday.

Get Obita on you home shirt for next season.

[wolsey]

Very good goal and looking very competant throughout the game, he is physically strong, quick feet, looks good

What is his Contract situation?

It would be good to what effect McDermott would have on him (given the chance) - surely he must have had a significant part in scouting him.

[andrew1957]

Very good goal and looking very competant throughout the game, he is physically strong, quick feet, looks good

What is his Contract situation?

It would be good to what effect McDermott would have on him (given the chance) - surely he must have had a significant part in scouting him.

Looks like his contract expires at the end of the season but as he is under 24 - if we offer him a new contract and he refuses, we would be entitled to compensation before he could sign elsewhere. Normally a young player will, therefore, sign a new contract if one is offered.

[Plymouth_Royal]

Contrary to some of the posters judging player potential on 1 or 2 games they saw, my mate statto is a passionate southampton fan who's been to every game this season and he reckons Antonio is an average league 1 winger. Strong, phyiscally fit, quick, decent shot and thats about it. Still, what does he know.

[Royalwaster]

Contrary to some of the posters judging player potential on 1 or 2 games they saw, my mate statto is a passionate southampton fan who's been to every game this season and he reckons Antonio is an average league 1 winger. Strong, phyiscally fit, quick, decent shot and thats about it. Still, what does he know.

The problem is, with Kebe and McAnuff at the club is he going to get a look-in? Look at Henry - he's nowhere near the first team really although he's on the bench at the moment.

[leww_rfc]

Contrary to some of the posters judging player potential on 1 or 2 games they saw, my mate statto is a passionate southampton fan who's been to every game this season and he reckons Antonio is an average league 1 winger. Strong, phyiscally fit, quick, decent shot and thats about it. Still, what does he know.

The problem is, with Kebe and McAnuff at the club is he going to get a look-in? Look at Henry - he's nowhere near the first team really although he's on the bench at the moment.

And we have HRK, who looks good the times I've seen him.

[Hoop Blah]

We've wasted enough money over the last few years on players not good enough for the team, I don't see any point in offering him a new contract unless we want to swap bottom half Championship football for bott half League one football.

It seems he can't even hold down a starting place at Southampton so it's unlikely he could get I ours. As ever we need to be buying players to strengthen the starting eleven not the reserves!

[andrew1957]

We've wasted enough money over the last few years on players not good enough for the team, I don't see any point in offering him a new contract unless we want to swap bottom half Championship football for bott half League one football.

It seems he can't even hold down a starting place at Southampton so it's unlikely he could get I ours. As ever we need to be buying players to strengthen the starting eleven not the reserves!

I think you will find he was injured. And Pardew must rate him as he was straight back into the lineup for their first domestic shot at silverware at Wembley for about 50 years. Why do people on here seem to delight in rubbishing all our young players before they have time to develop.

He is young and may or may not make the grade - who knows. Looks to be league 1 standard already though - which is a huge jump from non league where he came from. I say good luck to the lad.

[rg6royal]

We've wasted enough money over the last few years on players not good enough for the team, I don't see any point in offering him a new contract unless we want to swap bottom half Championship football for bott half League one football.

It seems he can't even hold down a starting place at Southampton so it's unlikely he could get I ours. As ever we need to be buying players to strengthen the starting eleven not the reserves!

I think you will find he was injured. And Pardew must rate him as he was straight back into the lineup for their first domestic shot at silverware at Wembley for about 50 years. Why do people on here seem to delight in rubbishing all our young players before they have time to develop.

He is young and may or may not make the grade - who knows. Looks to be league 1 standard already though - which is a huge jump from non league where he came from. I say good luck to the lad.

Exactly...He came from Tooting and Mitcham for christs sake! He must be decent if he's playing regularly at Southampton, who're still a decent club to say the least.

[Archie's penalty]

HB does everyone down.

[RobRoyal]

All I'm saying is...remember the Southampton student. Reminded me of him.

[Hoop Blah]

HB does everyone down.

It's not a case of doing anyone down, purely being realistic, although I don't subscribe to the undue hype and expectations some of our fans have of the young and cheap players we bring in.

From what I remember Antonio has been in and out of the side all season. A quick check on soccerbase shows he's been sub more times than he's started for them in the league. I think he's done ok but is he going to improve our squad by keeping him on?

Is he better than McAnuff? Kebe? Robson-Kanu? Henry? And what about the youngsters coming through, a better prospect than them and so worth holding them back?

The likes if Bennett, Sodje, Mooney, Antonio, Thorvaldsson, Brown etc etc have taken up valuable wages over the years (not massive amounts admittedly, but enough to block other moves I'm sure) and we just don't have the resources to carry this deadweight anymore.

He's not my type of player either...

[Wycombe Royal]

The likes if Bennett, Sodje, Mooney, Antonio, Thorvaldsson, Brown etc etc have taken up valuable wages over the years (not massive amounts admittedly, but enough to block other moves I'm sure) and we just don't have the resources to carry this deadweight anymore

So we should only buy proven players and not ones that have potential and could develop into top quality players that we can make a substantial profit on.

Basically we wouldn't have signed Doyle, SHunt, Sonko, Kitson who all fit the cheap and young bill.

You aren'y going to get them all right but benefits of the ones that do make it far outweigh those that don't.

[Hoop Blah]

I agree WR, you can't get them all right and you do need to try and find a few bargins along the way, but that also means cutting your loses when it looks like those gambles aren't going to hit it off. The end of Antonio's contract seems the right time to do it for me.

Those I listed above, the Bennets and Sodjes etc, where daft gambles though. When you're in the Premiership you can't be thinking they were ever going to make the step up and be good enough at the time. The likes of Kitson, Doyle, Sonko had time to develop in the Championship and bed into the team and they were more valid gambles.

It's all about balance, and I think we lost that balance between gamble and proven quality in the Premiership...but that's going over very old ground!