QPR points deduction?

[Ian Royal]

Anyone seen any official word on this since early March ?

As on this thread, the hearing is for three days, ending the day before the final game of the season. 3rd May start?

Many thanks; must have missed that in 24 pages of posts

That's why I posted it and didn't just say read the thread.

[Svlad Cjelli]

If the first day of the 3-day hearing is the 3rd, then the last day will be the 5th.

Yes, although the verdict may not be released until the Friday.

[Ian Royal]

Care to bet a month of not posting on the hearing not going ahead on that date Ideal?

[Silver Fox]

If we manage to finish second I only ask that QPR are docked enough points to drop them below us and that Colin is made to present the league trophy

[Royal Rother]

I was explaining how we could end up Champions to a mate in the pub on Friday - next day he was in the bookies placing best on the Grand National and enquired about Reading; on a whim he put £50 on at 100/1.... (and he's an Arsenal supporter!).

I have suggested to him that if QPR are deducted points which ends up gifting us top spot there may well be something in the small print that prevents him collecting £5k.

Does anyone know if this might be the case?

[TFF]

Champions is Champions.

I'd be very surprised a) if it happens and b) if the bookies refused to honour the bet.

The alternative would be to pay out millions to everyone backing QPR.

[PieEater]

Champions is Champions.

I'd be very surprised a) if it happens and b) if the bookies refused to honour the bet.

The alternative would be to pay out millions to everyone backing QPR.

The same bookies that think a Cup games ends after 90mins and ET doesn't count?

[Row Z Royal]

I was explaining how we could end up Champions to a mate in the pub on Friday - next day he was in the bookies placing best on the Grand National and enquired about Reading; on a whim he put £50 on at 100/1.... (and he's an Arsenal supporter!).

I have suggested to him that if QPR are deducted points which ends up gifting us top spot there may well be something in the small print that prevents him collecting £5k.

Does anyone know if this might be the case?

£50? FMOB

[Z175]

I would imagine that they can't really wriggle out of it as points deductions are fairly common. Eg. If you bet on Plymouth to go down or say, Dagenham to stay up in league 1, they couldn't possibly cancel your bet due to the points deduction. I would imagine they may void bets on QPR and pay out on the technial "champions" for goodwill

The odds would suggest the bookies are confident of not paying out but I htink this is becasue they know the FA/FL cannot possibly strip QPR of promotion.

The playoffs cannot be delayed and if QPR won an appeal then they could say take the title away from 2nd placed CArdiff but would not be able to remove the 3rd team eg. Reading who didn't take part in the playoffs!

The only possible solutions are shambolic as below. Both could end up with the playoff final winner not being promoted or the playoff final loser being promoted so are far from ideal.

1- QPR docked 20+points to finish below the playoffs. Team 2nd gets automatic promotion and the title penidng appeal. Playoffs take place as normal between 3/4/5/6 with team 7 missing out. If QPR lose their appeal then team 3 is promoted alongside the playoff winner. If team 3 is the playoff winner then the playoff final loser is promoted. If QPR win their appeal then it reverts to 1/2 and playoff winner.

2 - QPR docked about 10-20 points to finish in the playoffs. Teams 2nd gets automatic promotion and title pending appeal, team 3 gets promotion subject to appeal. QPR therefore take part in the playoffs . If they win the playoffs they are promoted alongside 2nd and 3rd. If they lose the playoffs then the winner from teams 4/5/6 will have to wait on the appeal. If QPR are reinstated then team 3 will have to be reinstated to the playoffs and will play the playoff final winner (4/5/6) in a re-run of the playoff final.

[Svlad Cjelli]

The more I think about this the more convinced I am that if there is a points deduction it will be applied next season.

[rhroyal]

If QPR are found guilty, they can't be deducted a level of points that puts them in the play-offs. It would be nonsensical and upset all other teams in there, as they are a cut above the rest of this league.

They either need to be deducted enough points to be put into mid-table obscurity where nobody complains, or few enough points that they go up anyway. With 2nd place likely to be so tight and possibly going down to GD, that would probably mean few enough points to maintain their position as Champions considering it'll be done before the final game.

If they can find evidence that the allegations of outright lies from QPR were true regarding Faurlin, it would be utterly disgraceful if QPR are allowed to be promoted. However I simply don't trust the balls of the FL and FA, QPR will get off easy.

[Z175]

If QPR are found guilty, they can't be deducted a level of points that puts them in the play-offs. It would be nonsensical and upset all other teams in there, as they are a cut above the rest of this league.

They either need to be deducted enough points to be put into mid-table obscurity where nobody complains, or few enough points that they go up anyway. With 2nd place likely to be so tight and possibly going down to GD, that would probably mean few enough points to maintain their position as Champions considering it'll be done before the final game.

If they can find evidence that the allegations of outright lies from QPR were true regarding Faurlin, it would be utterly disgraceful if QPR are allowed to be promoted. However I simply don't trust the balls of the FL and FA, QPR will get off easy.

But if QPR are moved to say 10th - its still going to mess up the playoffs! Would you promote the playoff loser in their place? Or allow 3rd place automatic and 7th a playoff spot, only for the Court of Arbitration for Sport to overtrun this sometime in December?

[Silver Fox]

relegation with no leave to appeal, it's the only sensible solution

[rhroyal]

If QPR are found guilty, they can't be deducted a level of points that puts them in the play-offs. It would be nonsensical and upset all other teams in there, as they are a cut above the rest of this league.

They either need to be deducted enough points to be put into mid-table obscurity where nobody complains, or few enough points that they go up anyway. With 2nd place likely to be so tight and possibly going down to GD, that would probably mean few enough points to maintain their position as Champions considering it'll be done before the final game.

If they can find evidence that the allegations of outright lies from QPR were true regarding Faurlin, it would be utterly disgraceful if QPR are allowed to be promoted. However I simply don't trust the balls of the FL and FA, QPR will get off easy.

But if QPR are moved to say 10th - its still going to mess up the playoffs! Would you promote the playoff loser in their place? Or allow 3rd place automatic and 7th a playoff spot, only for the Court of Arbitration for Sport to overtrun this sometime in December?

That's why the hearing is before the final day of the season, although that does still seem rather late to me when considering any appeals etc.

I guess the appeals would hence be for compensation against the FL and FA, in similar circumstances to Sheff Utd and West Ham where it was pretty much admitted that the wrong decision was made at the time, but it was too late to reverse it.

[rhroyal]

relegation with no leave to appeal, it's the only sensible solution

I prefer liquidation and Loftus Road burnt to the ground.

[Sarah Star]

The more I think about this the more convinced I am that if there is a points deduction it will be applied next season.

I suppose it works the other way round too. If a team are already in a relegation position, they have their points deducted the following season e.g. Southampton.

[TFF]

The more I think about this the more convinced I am that if there is a points deduction it will be applied next season.

I suppose it works the other way round too. If a team are already in a relegation position, they have their points deducted the following season e.g. Southampton.

It's quite different. QPR would be massively financially rewarded by promotion, if they're found to have done so by cheating it would be, as earlier described, a disgrace.

[Z175]

They have to do it this season or Sheff Utd and others will sue.

I think a precident was set with Juventus. I suspect QPR will be moved to Serie B, docked about 15 points and forced to sign Jean-Alain Boumsong

[URZZZZZZZZ]

I just hope QPR's cheating and Cardiff's two fortunate decisions don't go against us!

[Bandini]

Svald - IIRC, Sheff Utd's claim against West Ham was based on WHU's breach of their obligations on the terms under which they joined the Premier League.

Is the Football League/FA organised in a similar way which would allow a claim by one club directly against the other. I think not, but I haven't seen any comment on this anywhere.