Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

[Alexander Litvinenko]

Cutting out a lot of the unecessary verbage: ,

Here's a specific study done at Radford University:

.......
Abuse of all types excluding neglect was significantly higher in
the serial killer population. For serial killers, the prevalence of physical abuse was 36%;
sexual abuse was 26%; and psychological abuse was 50%. Neglect was equally prevalent
in the serial killer (18%) and societal norm populations.

...
As you can see, clearly there is a correlation between sexual and/or physical or psychological abuse of children, and serial/mass-murder.

So 36% of serial killers had experienced physical abuse, 26% had experienced sexual abuse and 50% had experienced psychological abuse?

That doesn't suggest any statistical link to me - I would want to see more than half of a sample have these experiences before any link to them as a cause could even be vaguely suggested.

[melonhead]

How many of you are guilty of singing along to 'You fat bztard'... at games?

Just as bad as calling someone a black bztard imo.

its not to them

A, because people can do something about being fat
and
B, as mentioned befor- fat people havent been killed enslaved, beaten, and discriminated against for hundreds/thousands of years due to their condition


neither is very nice though, you are correct

[Extended-Phenotype]

How many of you are guilty of singing along to 'You fat bztard'... at games?

Just as bad as calling someone a black bztard imo.

Not sure fat people have had the same level of oppression. Also, people aren't black because they stuffed themselves full of f/cking cake.

[Still Hate Futcher!]

How many of you are guilty of singing along to 'You fat bztard'... at games?

Just as bad as calling someone a black bztard imo.

Are you fishing or just f***ing stupid? My guess is a combination of the 2.

[loyalroyaldaz]

ANNNNNYWAYYY

How is setting up a Black players union going to help the problem?
If you want equality then why have a black only organisation.
If someone set up a White Players union they would get locked up!
What next? jewish Players union? asian players union?
The whole bloody thing is pathetic. Fact is this has all been brought on by the JT fiasco.
If he had got an 8 game ban like Suarez then i dont beleive this would happening now.
Racism is NOT a big problem in the English leagues, maybe once is enough if you are on the receiving end i will give you that, but i cant see any good coming out of this and if anyting i believe it will drive a bigger wedge into the game.

[loyalroyaldaz]

ANNNNNYWAYYY

How is setting up a Black players union going to help the problem?
If you want equality then why have a black only organisation.
If someone set up a White Players union they would get locked up!
What next? jewish Players union? asian players union?
The whole bloody thing is pathetic. Fact is this has all been brought on by the JT fiasco.
If he had got an 8 game ban like Suarez then i dont beleive this would happening now.
Racism is NOT a big problem in the English leagues, maybe once is enough if you are on the receiving end i will give you that, but i cant see any good coming out of this and if anyting i believe it will drive a bigger wedge into the game.

[melonhead]

ANNNNNYWAYYY

-How is setting up a Black players union going to help the problem?
-If you want equality then why have a black only organisation.
-If someone set up a White Players union they would get locked up!
-What next? jewish Players union? asian players union?
-The whole bloody thing is pathetic. Fact is this has all been brought on by the JT fiasco.
If he had got an 8 game ban like Suarez then i dont beleive this would happening now.
Racism is NOT a big problem in the English leagues, maybe once is enough if you are on the receiving end i will give you that, but i cant see any good coming out of this and if anyting i believe it will drive a bigger wedge into the game.

it would give them the voice they dont think they get now, and hopefully this will stir the FA into action to give them what they want(a fair and transparent zero tolerance policy on racism in football, and some lobbying for the same in europe) before it actually comes to a break away union
agreed
agreed
agreed
agreed
hope not

[No Fixed Abode]

How many of you are guilty of singing along to 'You fat bztard'... at games?

Just as bad as calling someone a black bztard imo.

Not sure fat people have had the same level of oppression. Also, people aren't black because they stuffed themselves full of f/cking cake.

You never know how somebody will take the abuse dished out, that is the point. Name calling is name calling at the end of the day. Maybe a better example would be gingers. Calling someone a ginger kant is as bad as calling someone a black kant.

[No Fixed Abode]

How many of you are guilty of singing along to 'You fat bztard'... at games?

Just as bad as calling someone a black bztard imo.

Are you fishing or just f***ing stupid? My guess is a combination of the 2.

See above.

[Man Friday]

Please, Para_wanker, stop putting yourself into conversations amongst normal people! You embarrass yourself every time you do it!

I'm quite happy for the forum to decide who's the wanker here. I've no problem if they decide it's "sub-normal" me. I think you're making an idiot of yourself, personally. That is more of an idiot than you usually do. Ideal is well versed in doing it too. Swap notes.

Set it up as a vote option...

[Para Handy]

I think you'll find I have no friends on here!

Rather that than be backed up by Ideal and Lacoste!

[sandman]

Please, Para_wanker, stop putting yourself into conversations amongst normal people! You embarrass yourself every time you do it!

Terrible language that could be seen by younger eyes.

[Para Handy]

:lol: I think you'll find I have no friends on here!

Rather that than be backed up by Ideal and Lacoste!

I know no-one on this site and simply tell the truth! I like about ten other contributors who say it as it is - and a few others who have hearts in the right place, but no clue! I have never wished to do other than talk about the team that I support, sometimes complimentary, sometimes worried! I never realised there were a set of people who live to hurl abuse across the net against true RFC fans but I have found it out! I would rather support Ideal for attacking difficult issues than one of the serial failures on this site who have nothing to say - whilst attacking those who do eloquently speak!

You're making me laugh a lot. I'm not going to prolong this debate though as it detracts from the thread.

Yeah, I can see you didn't realise that there were a set of people who live to hurl abuse. So far, you've called me a "known sub-normal", a "mentally-underendowed chav" my opinion is the closest thing to "excreta" and Para_wanker. I'm not getting upset about it though.

[Para Handy]

Hey sweetcheeks. You do know that you can end a sentence without an exclamation mark, don't you?

Last word. Bye.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Maybe you should be honest and start writing on the Paedophiles Utd website, rather than ours!!!!

Link?

[sandman]

Maybe you should be honest and start writing on the Paedophiles Utd website, rather than ours!!!!

Dear Jim,

Could you fix it for me to meet a sex pest?

[robinsfriday]

Maybe you should be honest and start writing on the Paedophiles Utd website, rather than ours!!!!

Link?

http://www.leedsunited.com/

[Hoop Blah]

If those protesting really felt it was about Terry's punishment, and KIO was just the opportunity to voice their concerns, why is it left the Regis to make this statement 3 days after the event?

Why wasn't this made clear at the time instead of harping on about Serbia and all the other things that really kicked this off?

.

was always a combination of things tbf,terrys punishment included, as stated clearly by roberts on tv radio and in print,to be fair

all culminating in this action, as its thought by black players, that they arent given representation, that the pfa/fa/prem all pay lip service to racism, while doing little in terms of concrete action to allay their fears.

they picked KIO as the best way to highlight it, bring attention to it, and force action

I'd not seen him clearly come out and say it, but you're right, there's an interview on the BBC where he was reasonably straight about it (I'd only ever seen a few direct quotes from it which weren't as clear). I'd also stupidly take the quote from the Guardian as accurate when in fact Regis wasn't making the complaints clear for the first time as they claimed.

I still don't agree that targetting KIO is the right way to go about it, but it has certainly raised the profile. I think that's a lot more because of the scenes in Serbia and the profile of Terry than the ineffectiveness of KIO or the actual boycott. It's all about timing.

Nobody has paid any attention to Lescots boycott for the last 5 years (or whatever it is) have they? In fact I think it's hadly been mentioned during this blanket media coverage.

[Hoop Blah]

If there is such anger over Terry's ban why haven't they given any indication of what they think would've been a just sentence and the reasons behind it. I can understand the logic of 4 vs 8 games for the two recent cases, I can't really see the logic behind saying the muliple abuse isn't worse than one outburst.

i think what they want is a clear policy from the FA about how future offences will be dealt with, that is open, and transparent, and consistent, in a way that the suarez/terry cases most certainly werent

this would make sure that it was not possible to look at a future case judgement and be able to think one was deleyed or more lenienty, due to any racism inherrant in the system itself.

i cant see the logic behind the 4-8 game ban at all
if anything i think it could be argued they were the wrong way round, in that suarez had more mitigation in that the word he used is a common part of his national language, and carries few racist connotations from his point of view, plus he admitted it straight away.
and john terry tried tio lie and blag his way throuproceedings to get away with it.

it should be zero tolerance. if you use racist(or homophobic, or sectarian) language on th efield, it should be a 8 match ban(or 4 if prefferred,) for every oneand this should be doubled each time it occurs.

you cant use the exuse that its just descriptive,or that it was just an outburst , that you arent a racist, the words just came out
you cant distinguish like that.
would be like you punching someone in the street, and then asking the police to let you off cos you arent usually a violent person.
the authorities can only judge by your actions.if you punch someone, youre violent, if you use abuse someone racially, youre a racist,
etc

We'll have the agree to disagree on quite a bit of that^^ then (not for the first time!). Repeated use of an insult is worse in my opinion as it, IMO, shows more intent and disregard and I do believe you can throw a race related insult without neccesarily being a racist.

Heat of the moment is no excuse of course, but things are said in the heat of battle or an argument that you don't mean and would regret saying. Repeating those in different instances and willfully doing so is worse as that regret and remorse is obviously not there (IMO).

I just can't help thinking that a lot of the comment and discussion has been counter-productive to the cause.

[melonhead]

How many of you are guilty of singing along to 'You fat bztard'... at games?

Just as bad as calling someone a black bztard imo.

Not sure fat people have had the same level of oppression. Also, people aren't black because they stuffed themselves full of f/cking cake.

You never know how somebody will take the abuse dished out, that is the point. Name calling is name calling at the end of the day. Maybe a better example would be gingers. Calling someone a ginger kant is as bad as calling someone a black kant.

thats closer than fat kant ill grant you
but it still ignores the fact that ginger people havent been enslaved, beaten, oppressed, killed and discriminated against on the basis of their hair colour for hundreds of years.
they merely get gently ribbed about it, and occasionally overlooked as boyfriend material