Guthrie told to stay away...

[Dick Habbin's hairdo]

It's quite simple. Guthrie is a class ball playing midfielder who has a bit of an attitude.

He's blown very hot and cold when he's played. Against Stoke he ran the game, putting his foot on the ball, looking composed and picking a pass. In other games he's been anonymous.

Sadly, we can't afford the luxury and need midfield 'destroyers' to break up play - and that doesn't suit Guthrie. Despite his limitations, Tabb is better suited to doing that among our threadbare squad.

Guthrie, not surprisingly, gets the hump and throws a tantrum and George Dawes takes exception because he wants Guthrie to be more of a "group", all in it together type. I can't blame MaccyD for that, either.

Impasse.

[The Real Sandhurst Royal]

A have heard that Guherie is a player who plays for himself and not the team.

Could this be something to do with the fall out with McDermott?

[Simon's Church]

lol I hope he goes back on twitter and goes mental, this should be the last straw for McDermott.

Bring in Redknapp.

[leicsRoyal]

This season is already turning into a real pain in the ass off the pitch, all the reasons I hate the premier league.

I'm sure we still have a great team ethic from the majority of the squad. The majority that give their all for the club that has given them the chance to be premier league footballers, either for the first time in their careers or to continue at the top level at the end of their career.

And then we have Feds who over the past couple of seasons has almost come across as he himself thinks he is too good for Reading and now we can add Guthrie into the mix. I'm not sure what to make of all of this with him. I've no doubt he would have been sold the point that he was going to be pivotal to the team but then we find that his style of play doesn't suit the 'Reading Way' did we not watch him before we signed him?

There are no winners in this situation which will be damaging to the player and manager alike but this is also where having a player like Roberts at the club can be beneficial as much off the field as on it.

[RoyalBlue]

McDermott has done so much for us in the last few years yet we've got people here siding with a player who has been here five minutes and done Jack in the process. You only have to look at what happened at Guthrie's wedding to know he's a bad egg.

And who went ahead and signed that 'bad egg'?!

Perhaps McDermott felt he could manage him, now it appears he can't and he has wasted precious money on that signing. Furthermore, it was central midfield where we needed more strength. A very big mistake from McDermott and one that could prove very expensive for the club and McDermott himself.

McDermott very much built success on a united camp. Now he has had two major bust ups with good players already this season. Is are inability to win and our bottom three position mere coincidence or has the happy camp gone?

[Delboy]

Have to support BM on this. Can we still get in a loan player this may be the answer and give Guthrie a free transfer in January or loan him out.

[Royal Lady]

This is s*d all to do with a brilliant Manager vs a stroppy player, it is to do with an inexperienced Manager not using the talents he has in the best way possible.

errr yes it is exactly that. The bloke's got a ego, thinks he's better than the rest of the midfielders, thinks he should be playing every game, and causes trouble when he doesn't, and his fucking girlfriend/wife tweeting shit about the club. Get rid. We don't want disruptive wankers in the team.

When did this happen? I thought that was Feds.....

[Royal Lady]

And personally, I think it shows Guthrie cares about wanting to play - he could sit on his arse and just collect his over inflated pay packet - but he's not happy doing that and as I said on another thread, McD is cutting off his nose to spite his face at the moment - playing Tabb when he could be playing Guthrie is one of the strangest decisions McD has made imo.

[leon]

This is s*d all to do with a brilliant Manager vs a stroppy player, it is to do with an inexperienced Manager not using the talents he has in the best way possible.

errr yes it is exactly that. The bloke's got a ego, thinks he's better than the rest of the midfielders, thinks he should be playing every game, and causes trouble when he doesn't, and his fucking girlfriend/wife tweeting shit about the club. Get rid. We don't want disruptive wankers in the team.

When did this happen? I thought that was Feds.....

yes of course. He at least hasn't unleashed his partner on the world.

[Cypry]

My God - lots more in the sharp upward knee movement here as well....

All is obviously not completely harmonious as far as Guthrie and Brian is concerned, but you've got people taking Jonny Fordham word-for-word, adding 2 and 2 together and coming up with 9...

Fordham has reported that Guthrie was "told to stay away" - you've got to remember that, as a local hack, he's got to sell papers, so he's always going to put the most sensationalist spin on it that he can get away with...

You shouldn't make assumptions relating to what's gone on....most seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Brian has told Guthrie to f**k off and never come back - I sincerely doubt this is correct...

More likely, we've got a couple of consecutive games at home, we'll most likely play 4-4-2 for Arsenal tomorrow as well, and I don't think, on the evidence of the season so far, that Guthrie fits into that system - so far Brian seems to have been playing 4-4-2 in the games were he thinks that system can work and 4-5-1 (including Guthrie) where he thinks that'll work....Guthrie might have been pissed off at being dropped on Saturday and thrown his toys out, but it could be that in reaction Brian has simply told him that today they'll be focussing on Arsenal, so no need for him to attend, and he should take a day off and chill out a bit...

It's impossible to know exactly what's gone on behind closed doors, but all too easy to jump to the wrong conclusion.

For all we know Guthrie could have some s**t going on in his personal life that's put his head in the wrong place, and Brian has decided to give him a break for a bit. Guthrie might be of the same view that Feds had, once you've lost your place it's hard to get it back, hence his anger.....

How are we to know?

What I find hard to believe is how many people have already got the knives out for McDermott after only 8 games this season - it seems that there are quite a few on here that WANT him to fail...

[HoneyRoastHoax]

Should have known this was coming after weddinggate

[Big Foot]

Not sure if this comment has been passed yet or not, but the last time we were at the bottom end of the table with a manager refusing to play a player he'd signed in the most recent summer transfer window amid rumours of a training ground bust-up.....was 2009 with a certain Mr Rodgers in charge.

[Schards#2]

No one knows what's actually gone on here so it's pointless to speculate who is in the right or wrong, but it smacks of questionable management when this happens twice within the first couple of months of the season. Furthermore, we've heard so much about how McDermott puts so much in to making sure the player is the right fit for the club's ethos, well he was Mcdermott's choice and it appears to be Mcdernott's choice to chuck him out of the squad.

Player for player, we have the worst squad in the division, all we have going for us is team spirit and work ethic and that seems to have been under threat all season. All very, very concerning, if a grip isn't got on this, we could struggle to make 20 points this season.

[Allyh84]

If so, good riddance to Guthrie. We need to play with what we've got and I'm afraid a "flashy ball player" ( ) such as this big time charlie in question doesn't fit into our team.

Ledge/Tabb were utterly flawless on Saturday. Who cares if Tabb is short!?! He won plenty of tackles/headers and playing a 4-5-1 with Guthrie as a second striker is just pitiful. What has Guthrie done anyway? Come in and influenced our oh so many wins?

If he doesn't want to play our way and rant on Twitter, he can f**k off. We got the the Premier League through hard work, and I don't want some big time charlie coming from an oh so large club thinking he's better than the club.

[Royal Lady]

Not sure if this comment has been passed yet or not, but the last time we were at the bottom end of the table with a manager refusing to play a player he'd signed in the most recent summer transfer window amid rumours of a training ground bust-up.....was 2009 with a certain Mr Rodgers in charge.

Did you hear McD's interview after the match with Dellor - I commented on another thread how Rodgers-esque he sounded.


And anyone listening to McD's comments about Guthrie could tell instantly that something was amiss - IF Guthrie had something going on in his personal life and McD was being nice to him and giving him time off, he wouldn't have sounded so pissed off and dismissive of why Guthrie wasn't even on the bench. So I don't buy that at all.

[HoneyRoastHoax]

Tabb was the one who left Ruiz to wonder by himself at the edge of the box and smash in a screamer which cost us all 3 points

I honestly don't think DG would have done that

[Royal Lady]

If so, good riddance to Guthrie. We need to play with what we've got and I'm afraid a "flashy ball player" ( ) such as this big time charlie in question doesn't fit into our team. Ledge/Tabb were utterly flawless on Saturday. Who cares if Tabb is short!?! He won plenty of tackles/headers and playing a 4-5-1 with Guthrie as a second striker is just pitiful. What has Guthrie done anyway? Come in and influenced our oh so many wins?

If he doesn't want to play our way and rant on Twitter, he can f**k off. We got the the Premier League through hard work, and I don't want some big time charlie coming from an oh so large club thinking he's better than the club.

If that's the case, as Schards just mentioned, we should be questioning why McD brought him in in the first place then?

[West Stand Man]

Don't you just love it how 4 pages into a discussion on a rumour there is so much hardened attitude being taken. Which bit of "it isn't yet proven to be a fact" are some of you struggling with?

[Royal Lady]

Anyone who doesn't believe it, after hearing McD's interview after the game, is an idiot imo.

Quite clearly, there is a problem. Guthrie wasn't even on the bench. He has clearly been told to adapt his style of play to the way that McD wants him to play, as Guthrie himself tweeted a few weeks ago. If he's moaned about it to McD or anyone else, I don't blame him. It's the way he may have gone about it that may be questionable. If he's ranted and raved and sworn to McD, then McD needs to reel him in.

[Cypry]

IF Guthrie had something going on in his personal life and McD was being nice to him and giving him time off, he wouldn't have sounded so pissed off and dismissive of why Guthrie wasn't even on the bench. So I don't buy that at all.

OR he could just have been pissed off with being asked a question by the press which was so obviously trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.....

I think Feds was right - people really do have short memories....Brian got us to where we are now, against all the odds, and I for one will give him my backing for as long as he is our manager....it seems crazy that some people want to slate him at every given opportunity....