Back from the stream (Derby)

[Snowball]

Yup

[Emmer Green Royal]

[quote="paultheroyal"][quote="Emmer Green Royal"]Great performance and result from Reading, but yet another poor performance from the officials.

If the ref had given the clear penalty, the ref should also have sent the defender off - so Reading not only missed out on a spot kick, but on Derby losing a man.[/quote]
That would never be a red card offence. HTH.[/quote]

According to the rules:

Sending-off offences
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
....
denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball

So if he'd given the penalty it was a clear sending off.

[Mr Angry]

Great performance and result from Reading, but yet another poor performance from the officials.

If the ref had given the clear penalty, the ref should also have sent the defender off - so Reading not only missed out on a spot kick, but on Derby losing a man.

That would never be a red card offence. HTH.

According to the rules:

Sending-off offences
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
....
denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball

So if he'd given the penalty it was a clear sending off.

That law is specifically designed to send off a player who deliberately handles the ball to prevent an obvious goal scoring opportunity, such as Suarez in the WC quarter final 2010. The penalty incident yesterday was when the ball hit Keogh's hip, then went onto his outstretched arm; anyone who thinks that is worthy of a red card is an idiot.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

Poor fishing from the OP....

After a mammoth 5 hour journey up there that was a great afternoon and was well worth it.

We were good for the win I thought and created a hatful of decent chances. We seem to create so many more decent opportunities under Clarke. Yes they only had 10 men but as we all know we generally struggle when that happens so it was really nice to get that monkey off our backs.

Thought Cox played very well but he should be disappointed with his finishing - especially from the set piece in the 1st half. Pog again looks rejuvenated under Clarke but HRK just pips them all to MOTM for me. Thought his link up play was excellent.

One game from Wembley! Would definitely take relegation if it meant a Cup final against a CL opponent & tour of Europe. Wahey!

Why does everyone want a home tie? We are better away from home at the moment & it's served us well up to now. I'd like Bradford / Sunderland away in the next round please. The only team I don't want home or away is Arsenal.

[arthurfondrelli]

Do we actually have a bad record vs 10 men or are we just assuming that?

[MmmMonsterMunch]

Do we actually have a bad record vs 10 men or are we just assuming that?

It's not great - see Millwall 2 weeks ago.

[arthurfondrelli]

Do we actually have a bad record vs 10 men or are we just assuming that?

It's not great - see Millwall 2 weeks ago.

True - and Watford earlier on in the season, thinking about it.

[Angry Shed Sex]

HobNob is hilarious, knows better than the manager, coaches, professionals.

We are now in the quarter finals of the FA Cup after the "useless" HRK
had a brilliant goal and a brilliant assist to give a goal to the "hilariously
fat OAP" a very well-taken goal meaning he has played just 30-something
minutes and already earned us something in the region of £200,000

and then of course, the "useless" HRK also scored the winner in the previous round

Snowers, while I agree it's ridiculous to slate a Yakubu before he's even had 90 minutes on the pitch I do think it's fair to say HRK has consistently failed to deliver on a regular basis. He is simply one of the most frustrating Reading players I've ever seen.

For every good game he has there are a dozen or so where he under performs.

However, I'm sure you could pop up some stats to show us all otherwise

[P!ssed Off]

Do we actually have a bad record vs 10 men or are we just assuming that?

It's not great - see Millwall 2 weeks ago.

Maybe we would have ended up losing had they retained 11 men, e.g. Leeds after Wooton escaped red.

[9165]

First away game for yonks - I thought all 11 played well, special mentions to Pearce who held the back together well, Williams who didn`t stop running and hassling all afternoon and HRK for a very well taken goal, an assist and general good play throughout.
Black marks to the idiots behind me in the stand who couldn`t say/shout/sing anything without chucking in several unnecessary expletives. Sorry if I sound prudish, but its not big, clever or funny. BTW, I don`t think it encourages our players to play better if all you`re going to do is abuse them (HRK, Pog., Hector). Rant over ! Onwards and upwards, Villa/Leicester away will do for R6.

[bobby1413]

Black marks to the idiots behind me in the stand who couldn`t say/shout/sing anything without chucking in several unnecessary expletives.

It sounds like they are the people who stand behind me at home matches... They criticise the pass/shot/throw/chest/header before it's even complete, and call everyone a "farking caaaaant"

[9165]

Black marks to the idiots behind me in the stand who couldn`t say/shout/sing anything without chucking in several unnecessary expletives.

It sounds like they are the people who stand behind me at home matches... They criticise the pass/shot/throw/chest/header before it's even complete, and call everyone a "farking caaaaant"

Yep, could be. They should be supporting Chelsea or Millwall !

[9165]

[MmmMonsterMunch]

Are people really moaning about hearing swearing at an away game? With respect fcuk off to Legoland or Peppa Pig World if you don't like it.

If it's swearing & abusing the players then fair enough don't do that, but if it's just general "Fcuking hell ref that's blatantly offside" etc then may I suggest you do something else on a Saturday afternoon.

Jesus wept. I had the fun police sat behind me yesterday moaning when we were standing up for corners, bits of excitement etc.

And people wonder why matchdays are so sterile now. Since when did it become a family day out? Your kids will hear foul language at some stage get over it.

[Mr.Swainey]

Some grass was pointing out people to the stewards who were standing up when they 'shouldn't be'. Stupid ming.

[Millsy]

Glad to be through but..................

Cox - You weren't good enough for us first time around. You're lucky we had shit manager who was prepared to spend money on you.
Obita - You aren't a winger and you aren't a full back. You're not going to make it, I'm afraid.
Blackman - you are just that. Nothing more.
Mackie - I'm glad you did it but you cheated Derby today. Poor play acting and you're just not very good. You won't be here next season.

Ref - Shocking for both teams, no way a sending off and a definite penalty. You should not ref again for a while, Get trained,

Glad we are through, progress under Clarke continues even if i'm still not sure about him.

Home tie please.

Nothing against you or your posts in general, there are enough tossers here and I don't recall you being one them. But this is a disgustingly racist comment even if you didn't mean it to be.

Mods, you do a good job. Are you AWOL?

[Snowball]

HobNob is hilarious, knows better than the manager, coaches, professionals.

We are now in the quarter finals of the FA Cup after the "useless" HRK
had a brilliant goal and a brilliant assist to give a goal to the "hilariously
fat OAP" a very well-taken goal meaning he has played just 30-something
minutes and already earned us something in the region of £200,000

and then of course, the "useless" HRK also scored the winner in the previous round

Snowers, while I agree it's ridiculous to slate a Yakubu before he's even had 90 minutes on the pitch I do think it's fair to say HRK has consistently failed to deliver on a regular basis. He is simply one of the most frustrating Reading players I've ever seen.

For every good game he has there are a dozen or so where he under performs.

However, I'm sure you could pop up some stats to show us all otherwise

That would be too easy. In the Prem season I thought he was awesome and his goals/min brilliant
a goal every 182.7 minutes, a goal or assist every 142 minutes. That is Premiership class..

I expected him to have a brilliant season last year, but for some reason he didn't push on

I think he may have or have had a long-term niggle, or more likely he has overdone
the weights. Form is temporary and class is permanent as they say.

I think he's starting to look slightly less chunky, and he's maybe growing in confidence
now that Clarke is (a) playing him (b) bigging him up

[SCIAG]

That law is specifically designed to send off a player who deliberately handles the ball to prevent an obvious goal scoring opportunity, such as Suarez in the WC quarter final 2010. The penalty incident yesterday was when the ball hit Keogh's hip, then went onto his outstretched arm; anyone who thinks that is worthy of a red card is an idiot.

If it is a penalty, then it is deliberate and potentially a red card. The only question then is whether Keogh denied a clear goal or obvious goal scoring opportunity.

Non-deliberate handball is not a foul. Assuming this was a potential DOGSO case, the options are penalty+red card, or nothing.

I would suggest that this piece (from legendary Reading referee Dick Sawdon Smith) is worth reading for anybody in confusion: http://www.readingrefs.org.uk/ftmpages/FTM314.html

Lots of similarities between these two incidents, but I think I have to come down on the "no penalty" side.

[bobby1413]

Are people really moaning about hearing swearing at an away game? With respect fcuk off to Legoland or Peppa Pig World if you don't like it.

If it's swearing & abusing the players then fair enough don't do that, but if it's just general "Fcuking hell ref that's blatantly offside" etc then may I suggest you do something else on a Saturday afternoon.

Jesus wept. I had the fun police sat behind me yesterday moaning when we were standing up for corners, bits of excitement etc.

And people wonder why matchdays are so sterile now. Since when did it become a family day out? Your kids will hear foul language at some stage get over it.

Ok dear, calm down.

[gdroyal]

Do we actually have a bad record vs 10 men or are we just assuming that?

It's not great - see Millwall 2 weeks ago.

True - and Watford earlier on in the season, thinking about it.

I think the difference was with this game is that Derby still wanted to win the game, so did attack in numbers. In both the Watford and Millwall games, when they went down to 10, they stuck all their players behind the ball making it difficult to find space to attack.