No appeal for Bikey

[Sun Tzu]

You have to assume that Chopra made an insulting remark about Bikey's pet hamster, and unless there is video evidence to refute that I'd say it is fact.

After all it makes as much sense as the punch !

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Referees are always going to get big decisions wrong, it's nigh on impossible for them to get them right all the time but I would wager they get the vast majority right.

Problem is, the ones they get right are forgotten almost instantly whilst the ones they get wrong are discussed ad infinitum and used as a stick to beat them.

...and just as often as not, they are criticised by people who blatantly don't know the rules of the game and base their interpretation of "correct" of what they think the rules should be, rather than what they are.

[Sun Tzu]

Referees are always going to get big decisions wrong, it's nigh on impossible for them to get them right all the time but I would wager they get the vast majority right.

Problem is, the ones they get right are forgotten almost instantly whilst the ones they get wrong are discussed ad infinitum and used as a stick to beat them.

...and just as often as not, they are criticised by people who blatantly don't know the rules of the game and base their interpretation of "correct" of what they think the rules should be, rather than what they are.

It is bizarre how often the ex pros on the tele talk about an incident and say that 'for them' it was a foul, with absolutely no attempt to decide whether it actually was in relation to the laws of the game.
The arguement that ex pros might make good refs becasue they understand the game falls down because it seems many don;t actually know the laws. If someone can't be bothered to learn the laws by which their profession is governed (and then go into a second profession where they get paid to express an opinion and STILL don't learn the laws) I haven't got much faith in their ability to control a game.
You wouldn't find a professional cricketer unable to explain the LBW rule....

[Broxroyal]

A couple of years ago Peter Walton awarded a penalty for a supposed handball when the incident was blindside to him and the ball was nowhere near the hand.
He subsequently reversed the decision when the lino told him in his earpiece that he had got it wrong. This was hailed by Walton and the MOTD pundits as good teamwork by the officials, which it was, but it did prove that Walton had taken a guess at the original incident. He did not see a handball (there wasn't one or anything like) so he should not have given a pen.
I reckon he took a guess again this time with the Bikey incident.

[Arnie_Pie]

From SSN -

Reading manager Steve Coppell will not fine Andre Bikey following his red card at Cardiff.

The Cameroon international was dismissed for allegedly punching Michael Chopra in an aerial challenge.

But Coppell will not discipline the defender, who he describes as a 'lovely bloke', for the incident.

"Anyone who knows me will know I am proud of the disciplinary record at the club," said Coppell.

"If he had straight-armed the lad then he'd be fined the maximum but he's a lovely bloke and just not that kind of player.

"That's the end of it and I certainly wouldn't condemn him for anything he did. He's not malicious, he competes and he's not a huge man so he has to jump."

[SCIAG]

From SSN -

Reading manager Steve Coppell will not fine Andre Bikey following his red card at Cardiff.

The Cameroon international was dismissed for allegedly punching Michael Chopra in an aerial challenge.

But Coppell will not discipline the defender, who he describes as a 'lovely bloke', for the incident.

"Anyone who knows me will know I am proud of the disciplinary record at the club," said Coppell.

"If he had straight-armed the lad then he'd be fined the maximum but he's a lovely bloke and just not that kind of player.

"That's the end of it and I certainly wouldn't condemn him for anything he did. He's not malicious, he competes and he's not a huge man so he has to jump."

He's not 6'8 though is he?

[Arnie_Pie]

I would hardly call him small though.

[Sun Tzu]

I was surprised to see he's actually only 6' tall, which isn't huge for a centre back.

He looks a lot bigger, and of course is also 6' wide.

[Broxroyal]

Referees are always going to get big decisions wrong, it's nigh on impossible for them to get them right all the time but I would wager they get the vast majority right.

Problem is, the ones they get right are forgotten almost instantly whilst the ones they get wrong are discussed ad infinitum and used as a stick to beat them.

...and just as often as not, they are criticised by people who blatantly don't know the rules of the game and base their interpretation of "correct" of what they think the rules should be, rather than what they are.

It is bizarre how often the ex pros on the tele talk about an incident and say that 'for them' it was a foul, with absolutely no attempt to decide whether it actually was in relation to the laws of the game.
The arguement that ex pros might make good refs becasue they understand the game falls down because it seems many don;t actually know the laws. If someone can't be bothered to learn the laws by which their profession is governed (and then go into a second profession where they get paid to express an opinion and STILL don't learn the laws) I haven't got much faith in their ability to control a game.
You wouldn't find a professional cricketer unable to explain the LBW rule....

I have long thought that clubs should put all academy players at, say 16 years of age, on a basic refereeing course rather than make them clean boots all the time or whatever it is they do. They would understand the game better, might take up refereeing younger kids in some cases, and would probably improve as players. The course doesn't take all that long and would be a useful investment.

[Franchise FC]

Referees are always going to get big decisions wrong, it's nigh on impossible for them to get them right all the time but I would wager they get the vast majority right.

Problem is, the ones they get right are forgotten almost instantly whilst the ones they get wrong are discussed ad infinitum and used as a stick to beat them.

...and just as often as not, they are criticised by people who blatantly don't know the rules of the game and base their interpretation of "correct" of what they think the rules should be, rather than what they are.

Oh, don't get me started !!!!

Pundits who proclaim that it couldn't have been a penalty 'as he didn't have the ball under control' or 'he wouldn't have reached it anyway' should be hung, drawn, quartered, shot, poisoned and finally put on Strictly Come Dancing.

The laws make NO reference to the fact that a player being fouled has to have possession of the ball.

Indeed, on the basis of the pundits view no late challenges should EVER be punished because the player that gets clattered has already got rid of the ball.

AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!

[SCIAG]

I was surprised to see he's actually only 6' tall, which isn't huge for a centre back.

He looks a lot bigger, and of course is also 6' wide.

Tbh, I think the tape measure was wrong whenever he was declared 6' tall. Ingimarsson is meant to be 6'1 or 6'2, as is Gunnarsson. Bikey's taller than them both. I'd have him down as 6'3 myself.

[Handsome Man]

Referees are always going to get big decisions wrong, it's nigh on impossible for them to get them right all the time but I would wager they get the vast majority right.

Problem is, the ones they get right are forgotten almost instantly whilst the ones they get wrong are discussed ad infinitum and used as a stick to beat them.

...and just as often as not, they are criticised by people who blatantly don't know the rules of the game and base their interpretation of "correct" of what they think the rules should be, rather than what they are.

Oh, don't get me started !!!!

Pundits who proclaim that it couldn't have been a penalty 'as he didn't have the ball under control' or 'he wouldn't have reached it anyway' should be hung, drawn, quartered, shot, poisoned and finally put on Strictly Come Dancing.

The laws make NO reference to the fact that a player being fouled has to have possession of the ball.

Indeed, on the basis of the pundits view no late challenges should EVER be punished because the player that gets clattered has already got rid of the ball.

AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!

Active
Deliberate handball
You can't raise an arm
If he is not interfering with play he shouldn't be on the pitch
- the ignorance of pundits knows no limits

However, the true facts of the case are that Bikey is a Reading player, so he couldn't possibly have punched Chopra.

[Franchise FC]

Oh, don't get me started !!!!

Pundits who proclaim that it couldn't have been a penalty 'as he didn't have the ball under control' or 'he wouldn't have reached it anyway' should be hung, drawn, quartered, shot, poisoned and finally put on Strictly Come Dancing.

The laws make NO reference to the fact that a player being fouled has to have possession of the ball.

Indeed, on the basis of the pundits view no late challenges should EVER be punished because the player that gets clattered has already got rid of the ball.

AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!

Active
Deliberate handball
You can't raise an arm
If he is not interfering with play he shouldn't be on the pitch
- the ignorance of pundits knows no limits

However, the true facts of the case are that Bikey is a Reading player, so he couldn't possibly have punched Chopra.

So true - if he'd meant it, he would've nutted him at least

[Royal With Cheese]

It is impossible to 'respect' referees when they get big decisions wrong and are too stubborn to change their views. This respect campaign is all one way at the moment, when they start getting big things right and manning up when they don't you will see coaches and players respect them, until then nothing will change and rightly so.

I don't understand - the respect campaign was only evey going to be one way - that was the whole point.

BTW - that doesn't mean I'm happy with that just amazed that anyone could come to any other conclusion.

Of course it has to be two ways, players respecting referees and referees respecting players. The fact is they are still getting the big decisions wrong, the odd offside or the odd foul missed you accept as part of the game, when there are goals given/not given, penalties and sendings off, these need to be right pretty much everytime or as close as possible to. They aren't getting anywhere near an acceptable rate. If that happens then it's impossible to respect officials. The players without doubt are trying to be more leniant with officials, haven't seen any Ashley Cole style dissent yet this season, bookings for dissent are down and there has been little 'surrounding the ref'. When the refs are getting these things so badly wrong it's easy to see why players would lose their rag.

This neatly emcompasses everything I hate about modern day football. We sit in our comfy chairs, with the benefit of 20+ camera angles and super slow motion and merely pass on convenient soundbites from pundits/football managers that constantly feel hard done by. That Floyd is complete an utter bollocks. Shame on you for ever writing such tosh.

What do you want fellah? Let's have video replay's of every incident and do away with referee's and linesmen altogether. We might not leave the mad stad until 2am on Sunday morning but we will be safe in the knowledge that every decision will be correct.

The whole point of the respect campaign is an admission that the referee cannot get every decision right and, in the process of a 90 minute game, will get a lot of decisions wrong. The inference that somehow the important decisions take presedence is irrelevant. You either get a decision right or wrong for fcuks sake. Ref's make decisions and you have to respect them. It's not a 2 way thing.

[rabidbee]

To be honest, the respect campaign shouldn't just be about officials but about everybody. After all, it's only a game - why get in the face of an opposing player, let alone try to injure one? Respect your fellow man, because you're only kicking a piece of plastic around a rectangle of grass, ffs.

[Sun Tzu]

The Respect campaign isn't just about referees, certainly at local level it is about the way everyone behaves at football. There are specific attempts to improve behaviour towards officials but just as important is the attempt to stop parents making lives of players hell by screaming abuse from the touchline at youngsters.

[Royal With Cheese]

The Respect campaign isn't just about referees, certainly at local level it is about the way everyone behaves at football. There are specific attempts to improve behaviour towards officials but just as important is the attempt to stop parents making lives of players hell by screaming abuse from the touchline at youngsters.

I understand and partly agree with the point you are making but not in the context that Floyd so eloquently, and incorreclty, put it.

About the only people who don't scream abuse (sweeping generalisation!) at football matches are the officials.

[Thaumagurist*]

The whole point of the respect campaign is an admission that the referee cannot get every decision right and, in the process of a 90 minute game, will get a lot of decisions wrong. The inference that somehow the important decisions take presedence is irrelevant. You either get a decision right or wrong for fcuks sake. Ref's make decisions and you have to respect them. It's not a 2 way thing.

You may say that, but sometimes some refs cannot acknowledge that they are wrong. They sometimes even refuse to check the video evidence afterwards on their red card decisions because they arrogantly think that they were correct in the first place even if there was a doubt in the first place.

[Royal With Cheese]

The whole point of the respect campaign is an admission that the referee cannot get every decision right and, in the process of a 90 minute game, will get a lot of decisions wrong. The inference that somehow the important decisions take presedence is irrelevant. You either get a decision right or wrong for fcuks sake. Ref's make decisions and you have to respect them. It's not a 2 way thing.

You may say that, but sometimes some refs cannot acknowledge that they are wrong. They sometimes even refuse to check the video evidence afterwards on their red card decisions because they arrogantly think that they were correct in the first place even if there was a doubt in the first place.

Congratulations - the only poster less interesting than Spacey. I think you'll find all referees are French.

[Thaumagurist*]

They aren't.

Though Graham Poll is an alien.