Back from the game (Kettering Away)

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Ian Royal » 19 Jul 2009 15:05

Gonna have to disagree on Rosenior SKB. His passing is poor as is his discipline. He is not a patch on the player Murty was, regardless of whether he is fitter and quicker than Murts ever was.

Major culprit of hoofball last season an even when he wasn't hoofing it gave away the ball far too cheaply, far too often. Getting yourself sent off twice for (I believe?) dissent is also inexcusable.

Maybe Rodgers can whip him into shape, I doubt it. But I'd much rather have a solid and dependable, if not hugely inspiring Armstrong than Rosenior. Any day of the week.

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Super Kevin Bremner! » 19 Jul 2009 15:49

By saying 'I believe' doesn't make your ignorance acceptable Ian.

Out of the four yellow cards he recieved, the only one that was for any kind of dissent was when he threw the ball at his own head at Swansea, and even that was a really harsh yellow card.

And to address your hoof ball comment ignorance, who do you think told the full backs to hit the ball long in to the channels?

Who do you think got Reading bypassing the midfield?

Shorey was a good footballing left back, but that was because he learnt his trade linking up with arguably one of England's best and most under rated left wingers in John Salako.

I can't be bothered to work out the actim stats links but the one thing I will guarantee and that is that you have 3 boxes to tick as a full back.

1. Defend - cut out the crosses and get your arse back when you're exposed on the counter attack.

2. Get rid of the ball by whatever means when you're under pressure.

3. Bomb forward and support the winger with over lapping runs, and get your crosses off.

All boxes ticked for me.

Hoof ball my arse. Concentrate on the footie when your at the games Ian, not your knitting.

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by AthleticoSpizz » 19 Jul 2009 15:55

4. Do not get dispocessed, Rosie was at fault more than once too often there

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Super Kevin Bremner! » 19 Jul 2009 16:07

AthleticoSpizz 4. Do not get dispocessed, Rosie was at fault more than once too often there


Everybody gets dispossessed. It's football. Again when you run out of decent options it's either hoof the ball out, hoof it long or try to run it out of defence.

Show me a defender that doesn't get dispossessed from time to time.

Would of expected more from you spizz having been around and watching Reading for a while.

Actim stats have him as one of the best defenders in the Championship last year.

Reality is that we had the best defence in the league up until the final quarter of the season when the whole team fell apart.

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Super Kevin Bremner! » 19 Jul 2009 16:12

Another thing, if he didn't make mistakes and he was faultless, he'd be worth £20m and about to sign for a top four Premier League club.

If you really want to improve on what we have then you're going to need to spend a few million because he's genuinely on of the better defenders in the Championship.


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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Ian Royal » 19 Jul 2009 16:33

No one is asking him to be faultless. Just able to pass to a reasonable quality. Maybe his two sendings off weren't both for dissent. I wasn't positive so I let you all know. But he definitely got two pathetic sendings off because he couldn't control himself.

Like I said. We'll have to agree to differ. No amount of silly little digs will change what I've seen and what I think.

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 19 Jul 2009 16:41

Rosenior's a good defender, but a liability going forward. He does give the ball away a lot, and his crossing is terrible. Both of those, hopefully, can be worked on. Given that his a good defender, I don't think his position is a major concern.

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by AthleticoSpizz » 19 Jul 2009 17:34

Super Kevin Bremner!
AthleticoSpizz 4. Do not get dispocessed, Rosie was at fault more than once too often there


Everybody gets dispossessed. It's football. Again when you run out of decent options it's either hoof the ball out, hoof it long or try to run it out of defence.

Show me a defender that doesn't get dispossessed from time to time.

Would of expected more from you spizz having been around and watching Reading for a while.

Actim stats have him as one of the best defenders in the Championship last year.

Reality is that we had the best defence in the league up until the final quarter of the season when the whole team fell apart.
Not as much a critisism of Rosie as an observation (I will reserve my critical scorn for our Czech international (that everybody here seems to herald) , if he does not shape up quickly in midfield next season).

In my defence SKB..... I did pre-curse my comment (about his being dispossessed often) with the word "too" tho'.

Maybe I expected better...and maybe too much of Rosie in The Championship, bearing in mind, his Premiership credentials with two teams.

....anyway......a clean slate for all next season

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Southbank Old Boy » 19 Jul 2009 18:45

Snowball
Southbank Old Boy You cant expect the likes of Kebe to suddenly become better players under the new manager

Over time some of the might improve, but essentially our creative players havent been good enough for some time. BR needs to address that as well as giving them a style of play that might help them




The Watford fans seem to think that Rodgers managed to improve quite a few of their players (as individuals)


I bolded the key word you seem to have overlooked in your haste to post more rubbish I cant be arsed to read


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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by bootboy » 19 Jul 2009 19:03

winchester_royal I'll ask again....how bad did Henry's injury look?


Spoke with his dad today winchester. Fluid on the knee, not thought to be serious, just impaired his knee movement. Hoping to be ok for monday evening.

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Ian Royal » 19 Jul 2009 19:10

Now that would be some good news.

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Royalee » 19 Jul 2009 19:22

Rev Algenon Stickleback H Rosenior's a good defender, but a liability going forward. He does give the ball away a lot, and his crossing is terrible. Both of those, hopefully, can be worked on. Given that his a good defender, I don't think his position is a major concern.


Good defenders mark up and time tackles well. Liam can do neither unfortunately - hopefully Brendan can work miracles with him.

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Agent Balti » 19 Jul 2009 19:24

In my book, the only thing that let's Rosenior down is his final ball. Sure, he makes the odd feck up as right backs do, his decision making sometimes isn't the best...but he's never had such a good player (as was) Little when Murty was at his peak. If he could forge a partnership like the aforementioned did, then could be more consistent.


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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Snowball » 19 Jul 2009 19:29

Agent Balti In my book, the only thing that let's Rosenior down is his final ball. Sure, he makes the odd feck up as right backs do, his decision making sometimes isn't the best...but he's never had such a good player (as was) Little when Murty was at his peak. If he could forge a partnership like the aforementioned did, then could be more consistent.



Good point. Jimmy's defensive qualities, were, um, not.

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by SteveRoyal » 19 Jul 2009 19:53

Maguire Pre-season friendlies mean NOTHING.

lolz@the handwringing.


'Greed. We can judge the new regime by the earliest at the end of pre-season.
Wait until Rodgers' starts playing "proper" teams that could get by in the Championship and see what happens.

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by AthleticoSpizz » 19 Jul 2009 20:30

Just in case you are worrying

Reasons to be cheerful Part 3

Cork City 2 Ipswich Town 0

Barnet 2 Arsenal 2

Lincoln City 1 Sleaford Town 4

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by gazzer, loyal royal » 19 Jul 2009 20:33

i wish Rosenior would get some sodding studs in his boots

on more than one occasion he has cost us a goal by slipping over

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by leww_rfc » 19 Jul 2009 20:53

AthleticoSpizz Just in case you are worrying

Reasons to be cheerful Part 3

Cork City 2 Ipswich Town 0

Barnet 2 Arsenal 2

Lincoln City 1 Sleaford Town 4


&

Rapid Vienna 1 Liverpool 0

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by The Faith Healer » 19 Jul 2009 22:43

Just wondered if anyone had any opinions on our old boy Boucaud, who I believe turned out for the Poppies..?

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Re: Back from the game (Kettering Away)

by Hoop Blah » 20 Jul 2009 09:34

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AthleticoSpizz 4. Do not get dispocessed, Rosie was at fault more than once too often there


Everybody gets dispossessed. It's football. Again when you run out of decent options it's either hoof the ball out, hoof it long or try to run it out of defence.

Show me a defender that doesn't get dispossessed from time to time.

Would of expected more from you spizz having been around and watching Reading for a while.

Actim stats have him as one of the best defenders in the Championship last year.

Reality is that we had the best defence in the league up until the final quarter of the season when the whole team fell apart.
Not as much a critisism of Rosie as an observation (I will reserve my critical scorn for our Czech international (that everybody here seems to herald) , if he does not shape up quickly in midfield next season).

In my defence SKB..... I did pre-curse my comment (about his being dispossessed often) with the word "too" tho'.

Maybe I expected better...and maybe too much of Rosie in The Championship, bearing in mind, his Premiership credentials with two teams.

....anyway......a clean slate for all next season


I think Rosenoir has pretty much all the attributes to make him an excellent fullback capable of performing consistently in the Premiership.

The only problems he has is that he's a bit too weak in the air, doesn't cover his centre back half as well as Murty did, and as gazzer said, he seems to have a real issue with staying on his feet.

Going forward he can be excellent, but last year he did let himself down with the amount of aimless balls into the channels. I'm looking forward to seeing how well he can adapt to a more passing game under Rodgers as it should see his attacking side come out and make up for his defensive frailties.

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