STEPHEN HUNT - IS HIS TIME UP?

[exileinleeds]

I suspect that whoever drafted SHunts contract knew him and his ego rather well.

"Of course we want to keep you- you are a valuable member of the team...we understand your ambitions, you are worth £5m of any ones money...and as soon as someone offers that, we cannot possibly stand in your way."
While all the time sniggering behind their hands "Yeah, like that is ever gonna happen."

[RoyalBlue]

It could work either way - the selling club could tell the buying club that it was 'caveat emptor' and if they wanted to make such a late bid they take the risk on the player.

I suspect there could be an issue with registrations though. The player has to be registered by midnight and can only be registered with one club , if he's not registered with the buying club he can;t play for them until June, if he is registered withthe buying club he then can;t go back to the selling club.

Nothing to do with lawyers or contracts - it's Football League rules...

Which haven't themselves been run past lawyers?!

If someone has the time to buy one of our players then we've got time to buy a replacement.

Feel free to justify this statement

Seems self evident really doesn't it ?
It's not as if the possibility of Hunt going is likely to take us by surprise.

And we can send all the faxes off at the same time....

To follow that argument is to suggest time stands still and it clearly doesn't!

The ability to sign a player before the deadline clearly disappears at some point. If the club we are trying to sign a player from believes the window of opportunity has closed, that they can not sign a replacement in time and therefore won't sell what they've got, it makes no difference when we send out fax/email off!

[SteveRoyal]

http://www.skysports.com/video/clips/0, ... 05,00.html

I love Coppell's bluntness.

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

He's gone, he can't stay after basically calling Coppell a liar. I assumed at 1st that the journo had twisted a quote, but having read it now, he does pretty much say just that.

I hope we have a replacement lined up and don't just make do.

[Sun Tzu]

It could work either way - the selling club could tell the buying club that it was 'caveat emptor' and if they wanted to make such a late bid they take the risk on the player.

I suspect there could be an issue with registrations though. The player has to be registered by midnight and can only be registered with one club , if he's not registered with the buying club he can;t play for them until June, if he is registered withthe buying club he then can;t go back to the selling club.

Nothing to do with lawyers or contracts - it's Football League rules...

Which haven't themselves been run past lawyers?!

Of course, but of no relevance to the point being discussed !

If someone has the time to buy one of our players then we've got time to buy a replacement.

Feel free to justify this statement

Seems self evident really doesn't it ?
It's not as if the possibility of Hunt going is likely to take us by surprise.

And we can send all the faxes off at the same time....

To follow that argument is to suggest time stands still and it clearly doesn't!

The ability to sign a player before the deadline clearly disappears at some point. If the club we are trying to sign a player from believes the window of opportunity has closed, that they can not sign a replacement in time and therefore won't sell what they've got, it makes no difference when we send out fax/email off![/quote]

You aren't familiar with the concept of a chain in a house sale then ?

No need for time to stand still if the preparatory work has been done, if all it takes is the head of the chain to say go then all the presigned agreements kick in further down

[Horsham Royal]

...after basically calling Coppell a liar.

Has Hunt ever explicitly named Coppell as 'the liar' ?
Could he not mean his agent ?
ie clubs talk and nothing more, agent bigs things up by lying.
Can't be arsed to re-read all the quotes ...

[Stranded]

He's gone, he can't stay after basically calling Coppell a liar. I assumed at 1st that the journo had twisted a quote, but having read it now, he does pretty much say just that.

I hope we have a replacement lined up and don't just make do.

Going from Coppell's comments in the EP today - Coppell classes a bid as a written statement ie a fax or an email.

It's possible we've had verbal bids which is what Hunt is aware of.

['lista]

I'd say part of SHunt's problem is he isn't too bright and is therefore easily got at by his agent and or the media.

Which is an accusation that you could level at approximately 95% of footballers - allegedly! I mean, if they had a brain, they would have a real job

Being clever means you'd work as an electrican / plumber for £70k / year, or an MD at £150k / year when you could be earning £15k - £30k / week as a footballer!???

What meaning is there except "Get money, get it legally, and get a lot of it"?

Money has become the grand test of virtue.

[Ian Royal]

He's gone, he can't stay after basically calling Coppell a liar. I assumed at 1st that the journo had twisted a quote, but having read it now, he does pretty much say just that.

I hope we have a replacement lined up and don't just make do.

Going from Coppell's comments in the EP today - Coppell classes a bid as a written statement ie a fax or an email.

It's possible we've had verbal bids which is what Hunt is aware of.

Yeah, an "is your player available [for £....]" Isn't really an offical bid. But then all a club has to do is offer £5m and we accept. If Hunt doesn't like the fact no one wants to meet the valuation he agreed to that's his problem, not ours.

I honestly don't see him as the type of player who'll put less than 100% into any match so any sounding off isn't a great issue unless it's pretty spectacular. We'll still probably get the same out of him.

[The 17 Bus]

I suspect that whoever drafted SHunts contract knew him and his ego rather well.

"Of course we want to keep you- you are a valuable member of the team...we understand your ambitions, you are worth £5m of any ones money...and as soon as someone offers that, we cannot possibly stand in your way."
While all the time sniggering behind their hands "Yeah, like that is ever gonna happen."

I thought the contract was made at the time that Sunderland wanted to buy him, the £5m figure was bandied about at the time, did we actually recieve an offer?? who knows, however we did up his contract, and a large increase in wages at Prem level, however as ever at Reading there was a relegation clause, sensibly, and also a set clause allowing him to leave should we get £5m offered, which he obviously thought might well happen if we went down, how could he ever lose??

[Gordons Cumming]

Who uses faxes anymore?

[Uke]

It's possible we've had verbal bids which is what Hunt is aware of.

You really need to learn the difference between a bid and an enquiry

[TheLawnMowerMan]

Aren't you forgettting the Benjani debacle last season?

Wasn't that an admin cock up rather than a deal done subject to certain conditions ?

Not sure I actually ever understood the full story with the whole deal !!

I believe that Sun Tzu is correct.
The Benjani deal was complicated because only half the paperwork was registered in time.
I've never heard of a transfer being cancelled after the transfer deadline because of a failed medical taken after the deadline.
Work permit - maybe, but medical - no.
Interesting debate though, as Robinho can't have had the time to complete a medical for Man City - full medicals take hours.
Anyone know what provisions are made in these cases, or is it just a wild gamble based on an independant medical opinion from other sources?

[Woodcote Royal]

If someone has the time to buy one of our players then we've got time to buy a replacement.

Feel free to justify this statement

Seems self evident really doesn't it ?
It's not as if the possibility of Hunt going is likely to take us by surprise.

And we can send all the faxes off at the same time....

Yep, plain as mud

We won't be surprised to see Hunt leave but we could easily be caught out by his departure should it happen just before the deadline.

And, believe it or not, just because we send them a fax doesn't mean the other club is obliged to accept our offer for their player, especially if they no longer have time to find a replacement

[Rex]

I think his frustration will be showing due to the contingencies being taken with Tabb and Harding coming in. Both can play on the left wing. The issue with Shunt is that should no confirmed bid meet the acceptable terms of the release clause, he is likely to spend the rest of the season with direct competition which with the demise of Bobby Convey, Shunt has not had to face for a couple of seasons. It's in Shunts's agents and Shunts interests to ensure Shunt remains on a premier clubs radar. The interesting aside to Steve Coppells comments is that the exit clause is met. What the breakdown of this exit clause consists of is possibly what is the nub of the arguement. The 5mil can easily be met by a prospective Premier club. Should there be other add ons involved in the exit clause, these could be the deal breaker.

http://www.skysports.com/football/playe ... 19,00.html

Pklayer rating 5 - Below average - some faults, out of touch.

[Stranded]

It's possible we've had verbal bids which is what Hunt is aware of.

You really need to learn the difference between a bid and an enquiry

I was actually paraphrasing Coppell.

[Gordons Cumming]

I think his frustration will be showing due to the contingencies being taken with Tabb and Harding coming in. Both can play on the left wing. The issue with Shunt is that should no confirmed bid meet the acceptable terms of the release clause, he is likely to spend the rest of the season with direct competition which with the demise of Bobby Convey, Shunt has not had to face for a couple of seasons. It's in Shunts's agents and Shunts interests to ensure Shunt remains on a premier clubs radar. The interesting aside to Steve Coppells comments is that the exit clause is met. What the breakdown of this exit clause consists of is possibly what is the nub of the arguement. The 5mil can easily be met by a prospective Premier club. Should there be other add ons involved in the exit clause, these could be the deal breaker.

http://www.skysports.com/football/playe ... 19,00.html

Pklayer rating 5 - Below average - some faults, out of touch.

Doyle has the same rating.

[LUX]

he may well be off, but what's with all this anti Shunt business? It's been around for at least a year ("I'm officially bored of Stephen Hunt" was a Floyd Streete/AP long-running classic). He's been fantastic for us and I don't want him to go.

If a Premiership club want him, we'll just take the £5 mio.

[Sun Tzu]

Yep, plain as mud

We won't be surprised to see Hunt leave but we could easily be caught out by his departure should it happen just before the deadline.

And, believe it or not, just because we send them a fax doesn't mean the other club is obliged to accept our offer for their player, especially if they no longer have time to find a replacement

Although why we would need to fax another club you don't make clear - the fax goes to the Football League to complete the registration....

It's really not hard to work out Woodcote !!

It's not hard to work out a way of protecting ourselves against a last minute forced sale, and the copmments made earlier this month suggest we've done that. we could have an offer already in with another club and terms agreed with a player all on a 'subject to....' basis. There could even be a clause in the deal specifying a payment should the deal not proceed.

All quite doable, all meaning that however late we get an official bid we can cover it....

[gazzer, loyal royal]

Yep, plain as mud

We won't be surprised to see Hunt leave but we could easily be caught out by his departure should it happen just before the deadline.

And, believe it or not, just because we send them a fax doesn't mean the other club is obliged to accept our offer for their player, especially if they no longer have time to find a replacement

Although why we would need to fax another club you don't make clear - the fax goes to the Football League to complete the registration....

It's really not hard to work out Woodcote !!

It's not hard to work out a way of protecting ourselves against a last minute forced sale, and the copmments made earlier this month suggest we've done that. we could have an offer already in with another club and terms agreed with a player all on a 'subject to....' basis. There could even be a clause in the deal specifying a payment should the deal not proceed.

All quite doable, all meaning that however late we get an official bid we can cover it....

we already have bids ready for other players if the £5m offer does come in for Hunt. They are ready to be faxed.

it's a domino effect, as soon as the £5m comes in for Hunt, then we will have a bid off to another club within 5 minutes