Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

[londinium]

I think we need to get used to mid table championship football at the very best until there is a sea change at this club.

Madejski - clearly, his heart is not in it to the extent it was previously. He would love to sell out but can't find a buyer. He will keep the club sound and stable but has no intention of investing further funds or trying to push the club forwards.

Coppell - if the spirit of the championship had survived, he would definately have been the right man for the job, but it hasn't. The chairman is not fully behind it anymore, many players have left to pursue their own self interest and many still here would like to leave. The golden team has long gone and we have to move on and build a new team. Coppell doesn't, IMHO, have the hunger to do this.

Whilst not being a member of the carpark squad, I applauded their actions as, at the time it was the right thing to do. Had we known that the spirit of the championship side was already totally dead, in hindsight, we should have let Coppell go and started afresh.

As for Madejski, there are some on here who would happily see us drift downwards whilst improving/maintaining our balance sheet in the belief that the rest of football will meltdown around us and we will emerge as one of the last men standing. They are rather like people who build nuclear bunkers in their back garden. Much as I admire and appreciete what Madejski has done, I don't see how the club can go forward with him at the helm and would now like to see someone new who wants to move things forward.

Can't see either leaving anytime soon so supporting Reading's going to be a whole lot duller and uninspiring than in recent years

You may not have a time machine but your assessment of the present is way off. Is there any truth in any of the above paragraphs?

It the first one that kills me... as I have not seen a sea of change at the club and I would say that top 3 for the majority of the season so far is not mid table.

[londinium]

If the only action in January is Lita out and replacement in, i'd say that would demonstrate a big comittment on Madejski's part as we could, clearly, get a significant sum for Doyle. The new contract may well only mean higher wages for two months and i'm in the camp that says it has little or no effect on the likelyhood of him leaving.

That's because you're losing the plot.

You're in serious danger of missing out on enjoying a fun season, just because you insist on trying to dig yourself out of a hole. Real men know that there is no shame to admit that they are wrong.

Why would an opinion that a player may leave despite having signed a new contract have the slightest impact on whether I enjoy the season or not?

As for being wrong, could you get me some lottery numbers next time you use that time machine you appear to have.

You don't need a time machine to 'see into the present'

[Schards#2]

Is it January already? That must been a heavy night.

[Wycombe Royal]

In short, Schards is basically saying that Kevin Doyle is lying.

[Schards#2]

In short, Schards is basically saying that Kevin Doyle is lying.

Why do people make this sort of stuff up?

If you want a debate, discuss what i've actually said.

[Sun Tzu]

I suspect you may get more debate if you displayed a little more of an open mind !

People might respect your views a little if you managed to admit you'd been fairly wide of the mark on a number of your comments.

[Wycombe Royal]

In short, Schards is basically saying that Kevin Doyle is lying.

Why do people make this sort of stuff up?

If you want a debate, discuss what i've actually said.

Here is what you actually said:

The new contract may well only mean higher wages for two months and i'm in the camp that says it has little or no effect on the likelyhood of him leaving.

Kevin Doyle said:

We wanted to act now and then concentrate fully on the season. That's the idea behind signing the contract now and putting to rest any stories in January.

"We've done it before the window to stop all of that. I have gone up with Reading in the past, now I've come down with them too. To go up again would be an even bigger achievement this time and I would like to be part of that.

"The Club and I didn't want uncertainty in January, we wanted to clear things up now and then just try to get back into the Premiership in what is a massive season for us.

All of us were responsible for last season, myself just as much as anyone. I'd like to right the wrong and help us have a good season to get into the Premiership. We're all ambitious, I want to play on the biggest stage I can, and if we get back up it would be a great achievement

Steve Coppell said:

People who know Kevin Doyle will know he won't have got carried got away with this week - but he made a very significant gesture of commitment.

They seem to think it will a big effect on the likelihood of him leaving.

[Schards#2]

I don't think I have any difficulty getting debate.

Getting peole to stick to what is actually said rather than what they find easier to debate against is somewhat trickier, as your post demonstrates.

[Schards#2]

Wycombe Royal - that's all very interesting but I thought you were trying to demonstrate that I had said Kevin Doyle is lying.

[Sun Tzu]

I don't think I have any difficulty getting debate.

Getting peole to stick to what is actually said rather than what they find easier to debate against is somewhat trickier, as your post demonstrates.

In what way ?

You dispute that many of your assertions have been way, way wide of the mark ?

[Schards#2]

I don't think I have any difficulty getting debate.

Getting peole to stick to what is actually said rather than what they find easier to debate against is somewhat trickier, as your post demonstrates.

In what way ?

You dispute that many of your assertions have been way, way wide of the mark ?

Many haven't been tested yet. They will be though.

[Wycombe Royal]

Wycombe Royal - that's all very interesting but I thought you were trying to demonstrate that I had said Kevin Doyle is lying.

Kevin Doyle seems to think it will have a big impact on him staying and you don't, therefore you obviously don't believe what he says (or Coppell for that matter).

It really isn't hard to follow, so maybe you aren't a "morning" person.

[londinium]

In short, Schards is basically saying that Kevin Doyle is lying.

Why do people make this sort of stuff up?

If you want a debate, discuss what i've actually said.

What you actually said = 'I think we need to get used to mid table championship football at the very best until there is a sea change at this club.'

What is actually happening = No sea of change and top 3 club FACT

You thought wrong.... do you have the balls to admit it!!

I thought we would stay up last year and i was wrong - i admit it.
I also stated before the season started that I expected us to be top two this season and thought we would be good enougfh to win it - if I am wrong (which we will know at the end of the season, as there is an obvious timeframe) then I will admit it.

Can you admit that before the sea of change you so desire (thats your timeframe) we are better than a mid table team???

[Sun Tzu]

I don't think I have any difficulty getting debate.

Getting peole to stick to what is actually said rather than what they find easier to debate against is somewhat trickier, as your post demonstrates.

In what way ?

You dispute that many of your assertions have been way, way wide of the mark ?

Many haven't been tested yet. They will be though.

Many have, and have been shown to be wrong. Credibility remains at all time low while you are unable to see this.....

[Royal Rother]

[Schards#2]

In short, Schards is basically saying that Kevin Doyle is lying.

Why do people make this sort of stuff up?

If you want a debate, discuss what i've actually said.

What you actually said = 'I think we need to get used to mid table championship football at the very best until there is a sea change at this club.'

What is actually happening = No sea of change and top 3 club FACT

You thought wrong.... do you have the balls to admit it!!

I thought we would stay up last year and i was wrong - i admit it.
I also stated before the season started that I expected us to be top two this season and thought we would be good enougfh to win it - if I am wrong (which we will know at the end of the season, as there is an obvious timeframe) then I will admit it.

Can you admit that before the sea of change you so desire (thats your timeframe) we are better than a mid table team???

You're racking up the airmiles on that time machine.

[Schards#2]

Wycombe Royal - that's all very interesting but I thought you were trying to demonstrate that I had said Kevin Doyle is lying.

Kevin Doyle seems to think it will have a big impact on him staying and you don't, therefore you obviously don't believe what he says (or Coppell for that matter).

It really isn't hard to follow, so maybe you aren't a "morning" person.

If someone offered £10m and offered to double Doyle's salary, do you think he will stay?

It's a simple yes or no.

If it's a no, are you calling Doyle a liar?

[Wycombe Royal]

Wycombe Royal - that's all very interesting but I thought you were trying to demonstrate that I had said Kevin Doyle is lying.

Kevin Doyle seems to think it will have a big impact on him staying and you don't, therefore you obviously don't believe what he says (or Coppell for that matter).

It really isn't hard to follow, so maybe you aren't a "morning" person.

If someone offered £10m and offered to double Doyle's salary, do you think he will stay?

It's a simple yes or no.

If it's a no, are you calling Doyle a liar?

I would answer yes. However you said it would have little or no effect on him staying whereas Doyle, Coppell and the media seem to think otherwise.

I firmly believe the club will reject any offers for Doyle (unless stupidly high and by that I mean well over £10m) and I believe Doyle has agreed to that and that the situation will then be reviewed next summer. Madejski isn't stupid and he knows that Doyle's goals could fire us into the Premiership again and that is worth more that £10m to this club.

[Schards#2]

So, are you saying the club would have accepted £10m under the existing contract but not because he's signed a new contract? Why on earth would that be?


OK, lets say £50m and 5 times his wages. Do you still think he'll stay and, if not, are you calling him a liar?

[Mr Angry]

Schards

re: Time Machines

Posted in contemplation of tomorrow.

Am I right saying we have no had a forward score a single goal away from home this season?

I believe the context of the above remark is you saying that we had got 1 point and 1 goal in 3 games, BEFOPRE we played Bristol City; therefore, your statement that you only make definative statements on facts is proved to be, if you don't mind me saying, cobblers.

That is all.