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from disaster to disaster

by paddy20 » 24 Aug 2014 09:49

After the last 12 months we all thought there was a silver lining on its way. The deal has still not been completed. We dumped 3 quality pros and then decided to sell our one goalscorer and our best defender. It seems we have decided to also get rid of one of our best ever goalkeepers and replace him with a keeper that never commands his box just because he seems to be in Adkins good books.

Mad. and/or Adkins has believed all the hype over our youngsters being good enough for the championship. We have signed a striker well past his best (Cox) because he was cheap and used to live in Reading. A centre half who was discarded and couldn't get a game abroad, A grafter (Mackie) who couldn't get into a team that finished below us last season, and a midfielder that couldn't get into a team that lost its first 2 games. We knew Karacan wouldn't be ready for this season and there will be doubts that he can get back to the level he was before - which at best was ok. Williams was carrying an injury that should have been dealt with close season and will now be out probably until xmas. Macleary was probably on his way out anyway before he got injured.

Are we still really saying that Reading is a well run club? Are we really looking forward to Mr mad. dictating what goes on in the 'new partnership' as our new lady knows nothing about football, bless her. Are we looking forward to the new investors (5?) ever reaching a decision that they can all agree on?

Before all the tirade is recd about getting behind the team I have watched for a very long time including away season tickets. I will never stop watching Reading as they are my team.

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by winchester_royal » 24 Aug 2014 10:00

Lol, WPOTY, and that's going some.

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by jellytot » 24 Aug 2014 10:02

No we have to give it until xmas at least. Where would we be without new owners? no new players in and players leaving. Rock bottom with no hope. Rebuild needs time.

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by Martin41 » 24 Aug 2014 10:05

Disaster......really??
We lost a couple of games, injuries happen , yes we do have a lot.
It seems we are still looking for a couple more players before the window shuts.
It's not a disaster, it's just football"...............
It is what it is!!!!!

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by Irvinchangeyaname » 24 Aug 2014 10:27

Despite the result yesterday, I was actuially feeling quite optimistic. We played some decent, attractive football in the first half and matched them for 45 minutes. The second half was men against boys (almost literally) but I think with Pog back up front, Ferdinand in defence and a copule of our midfielders back, I think the future is bright.


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Re: from disaster to disaster

by Uke » 24 Aug 2014 10:32

paddy20 I have watched for a very long time


All 90 minutes?

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by winchester_royal » 24 Aug 2014 10:34

FTR, this is why youth development in this country is so shit. Fans have no patience, and as soon as we have a couple of bad days start slinging stuff at anyone and everyone.

There is plenty to be optimistic about. 'Disaster' - fcuking lol.

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by MmmMonsterMunch » 24 Aug 2014 10:51

Get your cash out then Paddy.

We might be running the club like Ebenezer again but I would guess our total wage bill is probably still top 6-8 of the division. Academies cost money. Pearce, Guthrie, McCleary, Gunter, Pog, Drenthe, McCarthy, HRK all probably on decent money. We had a gate of 15k for Huddersfield on Tuesday - you do the maths.

Would you rather JM protected the long term future of the club, or would you rather he said "Sod it I'll sell it to Samuelson under another guise and he can asset strip the club Oyston style"?. Go to Blackpool if you want to see what really bad owners can do to a club..

I don't see how one bad defeat (away to the team top of the league, who've spent loads & we've got a ton of injuries) all of a sudden makes everything a 'disaster'.

We have no divine right to be anywhere - that includes the championship FTR.

Look around - there are tons of 'big' clubs not in the PL. Norwich, Forest, Leeds, Sheff W, Sheff U, Birmingham, Wolves.

We HAVE to show some patience - lets not spit out our dummies after 4 games. We lost 0-6 to Posh last season, we lost 2-5 to Sheff W & we still ended up 60 seconds away from play-offs in the end.

It's a roller coaster this division & anything can happen. Don't throw in the towel when we are seeing some academy talent get a chance as this is probably one of the main positives about not being in the PL for me.

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by glass half full » 24 Aug 2014 11:02

Putting things in perspective....

We played a team who, in all probability, will be runaway leaders of the Championship and are on a roll. The injury list must be the highest in the division and these young players have huge potential.


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Re: from disaster to disaster

by RoyalBlue » 24 Aug 2014 11:09

paddy20 After the last 12 months we all thought there was a silver lining on its way. The deal has still not been completed. We dumped 3 quality pros and then decided to sell our one goalscorer and our best defender. It seems we have decided to also get rid of one of our best ever goalkeepers and replace him with a keeper that never commands his box just because he seems to be in Adkins good books.
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Started off well but that last bit is absolute nonsense. Did you see Feds play yesterday? The double save he made rushing out at forwards' feet seemed a pretty good example of commanding his box for starters. Offloading a very good keeper (but one who doesn't really fit the manager's preferred style of play due to poor distribution) when we have 2+ is the one thing that does make sense provided Adkins is then immediately allowed to reinvest all of the proceeds in strengthening elsewhere.

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by mambo3 » 24 Aug 2014 11:14

The players don't seem to be playing for the manager. Has NA lost the dressing room. There confidence has
Been drained out of them. The academy kids is a smoke screen for a more serious problem within Reading FC.

Morrison didn't have to leave, he could of said "no" La Fondre was not played by NA. Mcanuff was rarely played by NA,
Drenthe , we know about. Legitwood not given a new contract. Keble and mar. Jumped ship.all in the space of 18 months.

If we had kept half of these players, would we be in this position.

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by MmmMonsterMunch » 24 Aug 2014 11:21

mambo3 The players don't seem to be playing for the manager. Has NA lost the dressing room. There confidence has
Been drained out of them. The academy kids is a smoke screen for a more serious problem within Reading FC.

Morrison didn't have to leave, he could of said "no" La Fondre was not played by NA. Mcanuff was rarely played by NA,
Drenthe , we know about. Legitwood not given a new contract. Keble and mar. Jumped ship.all in the space of 18 months.

If we had kept half of these players, would we be in this position.


Don't get this at all & it doesn't seem based on any facts. They busted their asses in both the home games I watched this season. I suspect the pressure of 1st team football & the mistakes costing them is bringing them down a bit but they'll bounce back.

Kebe acted like a little pr1ck & effectively made himself unavailable as soon as BM got sacked - Not NA's fault
Alfie - never started under BM & not got a good enough all round game - Again not NA's fault
Legs is injured...think we have enough crocked players on our books so that was a good decision to let go - Not NA's fault
Mariappa wanted out & Palace offered decent money - Not NA's fault
McAcnuff. Hard one this but ultimately Reading have a good track record of knowing when to let players go & think this was the right decision if all of the current lot were fit - Again Not NA's fault

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by mambo3 » 24 Aug 2014 11:25

MmmMonsterMunch
mambo3 The players don't seem to be playing for the manager. Has NA lost the dressing room. There confidence has
Been drained out of them. The academy kids is a smoke screen for a more serious problem within Reading FC.

Morrison didn't have to leave, he could of said "no" La Fondre was not played by NA. Mcanuff was rarely played by NA,
Drenthe , we know about. Legitwood not given a new contract. Keble and mar. Jumped ship.all in the space of 18 months.

If we had kept half of these players, would we be in this position.


Don't get this at all & it doesn't seem based on any facts. They busted their asses in both the home games I watched this season. I suspect the pressure of 1st team football & the mistakes costing them is bringing them down a bit but they'll bounce back.

Kebe acted like a little pr1ck & effectively made himself unavailable as soon as BM got sacked - Not NA's fault
Alfie - never started under BM & not got a good enough all round game - Again not NA's fault
Legs is injured...think we have enough crocked players on our books so that was a good decision to let go - Not NA's fault
Mariappa wanted out & Palace offered decent money - Not NA's fault
McAcnuff. Hard one this but ultimately Reading have a good track record of knowing when to let players go & think this was the right decision if all of the current lot were fit - Again Not NA's fault


Life is good then! NA has shares in Teflon


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Re: from disaster to disaster

by sandman » 24 Aug 2014 11:26

paddy20 After the last 12 months we all thought there was a silver lining on its way. The deal has still not been completed. We dumped 3 quality pros and then decided to sell our one goalscorer and our best defender. It seems we have decided to also get rid of one of our best ever goalkeepers and replace him with a keeper that never commands his box just because he seems to be in Adkins good books.

Mad. and/or Adkins has believed all the hype over our youngsters being good enough for the championship. We have signed a striker well past his best (Cox) because he was cheap and used to live in Reading. A centre half who was discarded and couldn't get a game abroad, A grafter (Mackie) who couldn't get into a team that finished below us last season, and a midfielder that couldn't get into a team that lost its first 2 games. We knew Karacan wouldn't be ready for this season and there will be doubts that he can get back to the level he was before - which at best was ok. Williams was carrying an injury that should have been dealt with close season and will now be out probably until xmas. Macleary was probably on his way out anyway before he got injured.

Are we still really saying that Reading is a well run club? Are we really looking forward to Mr mad. dictating what goes on in the 'new partnership' as our new lady knows nothing about football, bless her. Are we looking forward to the new investors (5?) ever reaching a decision that they can all agree on?

Before all the tirade is recd about getting behind the team I have watched for a very long time including away season tickets. I will never stop watching Reading as they are my team.


Point one:

We have had several very good goalkeepers over the years including the one you insult in you opening paragraph. Indeed we won this league with said goalkeeper playing an integral part in that triumph. You must have seen a lot in all those years Paddy? Which makes it even more surprising that you have such a short memory, Alex McCathy's command of his area was awful during the last 6 months of last season and has cost us goals. We would have made the play offs last season if he hadn't come rushing out against Yeovil, missing everything and allowing them an easy goal.

Point two:

As loath as I am to defend our Nige, it's not as if he has a choice but to throw them all in at the moment because of the injuries. What I won't defend him on is playing the players he has got out of position and leaving players on the be ch who are specialists. I very much doubt we signed Cox on the basis you are saying we did, Ferdinand is experienced at this level and above so it's surprising you don't want him given you've called for less youngsters and more experience and as for Mackie, the world needs ditch diggers, and football teams need grafters. Again, another experienced champ player with a league winners medal. Norwood, well we'll have to see what he can offer, personally I think we could have invested money in positions like LB, CB and ST and then we wouldn't have to put square pegs in round holes but there you go.

Point three:

Are we suddenly party to all that goes on in the boardroom? We don't know the structure yet because it hasn't been passed by the authorities when it is maybe we can hold off damning the new owners. The word of some blokes off the internetz is not gospel.

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by Ian Royal » 24 Aug 2014 11:29

Oh oxf*rd off.

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by Pepe the Horseman » 24 Aug 2014 11:29

dave-royal >>> paddy20

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by MmmMonsterMunch » 24 Aug 2014 11:29

mambo3
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mambo3 The players don't seem to be playing for the manager. Has NA lost the dressing room. There confidence has
Been drained out of them. The academy kids is a smoke screen for a more serious problem within Reading FC.

Morrison didn't have to leave, he could of said "no" La Fondre was not played by NA. Mcanuff was rarely played by NA,
Drenthe , we know about. Legitwood not given a new contract. Keble and mar. Jumped ship.all in the space of 18 months.

If we had kept half of these players, would we be in this position.


Don't get this at all & it doesn't seem based on any facts. They busted their asses in both the home games I watched this season. I suspect the pressure of 1st team football & the mistakes costing them is bringing them down a bit but they'll bounce back.

Kebe acted like a little pr1ck & effectively made himself unavailable as soon as BM got sacked - Not NA's fault
Alfie - never started under BM & not got a good enough all round game - Again not NA's fault
Legs is injured...think we have enough crocked players on our books so that was a good decision to let go - Not NA's fault
Mariappa wanted out & Palace offered decent money - Not NA's fault
McAcnuff. Hard one this but ultimately Reading have a good track record of knowing when to let players go & think this was the right decision if all of the current lot were fit - Again Not NA's fault


Life is good then! NA has shares in Teflon


Feel free to correct me then....

Are you saying we should have re-signed Legs even though he is injured?
Kebe - don't need to say much on this do we?!
McAnuff - funny how he's now in league 1 & a champ club didn't snap him up.
Alfie - what was Brian's reason for never starting him?

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by mambo3 » 24 Aug 2014 11:45

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mambo3 The players don't seem to be playing for the manager. Has NA lost the dressing room. There confidence has
Been drained out of them. The academy kids is a smoke screen for a more serious problem within Reading FC.

Morrison didn't have to leave, he could of said "no" La Fondre was not played by NA. Mcanuff was rarely played by NA,
Drenthe , we know about. Legitwood not given a new contract. Keble and mar. Jumped ship.all in the space of 18 months.

If we had kept half of these players, would we be in this position.


Don't get this at all & it doesn't seem based on any facts. They busted their asses in both the home games I watched this season. I suspect the pressure of 1st team football & the mistakes costing them is bringing them down a bit but they'll bounce back.

Kebe acted like a little pr1ck & effectively made himself unavailable as soon as BM got sacked - Not NA's fault
Alfie - never started under BM & not got a good enough all round game - Again not NA's fault
Legs is injured...think we have enough crocked players on our books so that was a good decision to let go - Not NA's fault
Mariappa wanted out & Palace offered decent money - Not NA's fault
McAcnuff. Hard one this but ultimately Reading have a good track record of knowing when to let players go & think this was the right decision if all of the current lot were fit - Again Not NA's fault


Life is good then! NA has shares in Teflon

Feel free to correct me then....

Are you saying we should have re-signed Legs even though he is injured?
Kebe - don't need to say much on this do we?!
McAnuff - funny how he's now in league 1 & a champ club didn't snap him up.
Alfie - what was Brian's reason for never starting him?[/quote]

We were in a better place then than we are now. Have we improved the Team since then with the new signings?
Mass clear out without a Plan B does not make sense.
Hard work alone does not win games.

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by MmmMonsterMunch » 24 Aug 2014 11:48

But is that Adkins' fault or is he working to budgets & parameters set by the board?

Find me a manager that doesn't want to spend money!

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Re: from disaster to disaster

by Ian Royal » 24 Aug 2014 11:54

Yes, we have improved the team with new signings.

Cox > Taylor
Mackie > Blackman, Taylor, Edwards
Norwood > injured midfielders

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