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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by John Madejski's Wallet » 03 Aug 2019 19:29

Yiadom should just be playing RW imo

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by John Madejski's Wallet » 03 Aug 2019 19:30

Plus wtaf is with changing the defence around to better utilise Moore's 'attacking'. :lol:

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by John Madejski's Wallet » 03 Aug 2019 19:33

As for BBCRB not blaming the keeper, the first two goals went straight through him. Weak as fukk

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by Snowflake Royal » 03 Aug 2019 19:33

John Madejski's Wallet Plus wtaf is with changing the defence around to better utilise Moore's 'attacking'. :lol:

Read as: he's very one footed and on the right might be able to pass out at a higher tempo and more accurately.

That one sentence typifies all that's wrong with the current pass out fad. Reorganise the defence so a CB will be better at being a playmaker. FFS.

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by URZZZZ » 03 Aug 2019 19:36

leon Disorganised, sloppy passing and ponderous play at the back, no movement in midfield until Olise came on and absolutely no tempo whatsoever.

No player deserves more than a 5 at best.


Spot on with the top part. How Olise didn’t get in the team is baffling

Some things I’ve picked up on already. We cannot beat a team who sit back, we just end up passing it between our back four waiting for them to commit (which they don’t do). Eventually we play a forward pass and because no one is moving, they pick it up and exploit the space (what the Sheffield manager alluded to). This is where we need to go more direct. Even with Nova and Meite up top we weren’t doing this. This was a very similar performance to Wigan (H) last season without the two late goals

The fluid front four just has to stop. Please give players a defined position because we have a bunch of players who have no idea what they’re doing. Our successful campaigns have been from a structured disciplined shape. Our wingers hugged the touch line with the fullbacks always available for support. The midfielders knew their role and played it well. Even in Stam’s first season which was painfully dull we had 11 players who knew the shape and style. Right now, as the same as the last two seasons, we have players wandering around not doing anything. Where was Loader playing today? Where was Barrow/Meite playing today? One minute they’re on the left wing, the next they’re up front, the next they’re playing behind the striker. Just stop with that nonsense

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by Chameleon » 03 Aug 2019 19:37

Loader was poor. Hard to judge the keeper, most players would have conceded those three.

Good effort from Meite, Miazga, Swift, Adam. At one point Adam was the only one properly chasing back to deal with counters.

Referee was an embarrassment. If a two handed shove to Miazga's head isn't a penalty, I don't know what is. Also bad for not using advantage and being spineless when it came to Wednesday's timewasting.

We were really left side dominant when it came to attacking, with there almost always being a player coming around to overlap the one charging down the wing. On the right whoever had the ball up there was hung out to dry.

When they went down to 10 men we started to panic and started just randomly hoofing up 50/50s when we needed to keep it on the floor and look for the unmarked player.

Virginia - Okay. Most keepers would have let them in, but you'd have hoped that he'd have saved at least one.
Yiadom - Par
Moore - Needed to take a tactical yellow for the first goal
Miazga - Good, some important blocks. The one mistake he made he recovered well to win possession back.
Richards - Par
Loader - Below standard, needs some more time to develop.
Swift - Good performance.
Rino- Not vintage.
Barrow - Good effort.
Méïté - I don't understand how he does it, but gets the ball in the next pretty regularly.
Barrett - Okay. Good assist.

Adam - Very good up until they went down to 10, needs to be reminded that we had the man advantage, not them and hence should have kept the ball on the floor Chased back well at times. Liked the move to make their striker wipe himself out.


Olise - Good.
Novakovich- No time.

Ref - Useless tosser. He'd have made more correct calls by flipping a coin.
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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by John Madejski's Wallet » 03 Aug 2019 19:46

Need to give a proper thumbs up to Barrett for the calmness to wait and pick that pass for Meite's goal.

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by Elm Park Kid » 03 Aug 2019 20:47

Chameleon Loader was poor. Hard to judge the keeper, most players would have conceded those three.

Good effort from Meite, Miazga, Swift, Adam. At one point Adam was the only one properly chasing back to deal with counters.

Referee was an embarrassment. If a two handed shove to Miazga's head isn't a penalty, I don't know what is. Also bad for not using advantage and being spineless when it came to Wednesday's timewasting.

We were really left side dominant when it came to attacking, with there almost always being a player coming around to overlap the one charging down the wing. On the right whoever had the ball up there was hung out to dry.

When they went down to 10 men we started to panic and started just randomly hoofing up 50/50s when we needed to keep it on the floor and look for the unmarked player.

Virginia - Okay. Most keepers would have let them in, but you'd have hoped that he'd have saved at least one.
Yiadom - Par
Moore - Needed to take a tactical yellow for the first goal
Miazga - Good, some important blocks. The one mistake he made he recovered well to win possession back.
Richards - Par
Loader - Below standard, needs some more time to develop.
Swift - Good performance.
Rino- Not vintage.
Barrow - Good effort.
Méïté - I don't understand how he does it, but gets the ball in the next pretty regularly.
Barrett - Okay. Good assist.

Adam - Very good up until they went down to 10, needs to be reminded that we had the man advantage, not them and hence should have kept the ball on the floor Chased back well at times. Liked the move to make their striker wipe himself out.


Olise - Good.
Novakovich- No time.

Ref - Useless tosser. He'd have made more correct calls by flipping a coin.


How can you rate the majority of players as performing well when we lost 3-1 at home to a Wednesday?

It can't just be all down to bad refereeing?

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by Westwood52 » 03 Aug 2019 20:59

A case of deja vue,right down to the Ref.The worst of all possible starts.
Quite simply we are just too nice,and you cannot carry passengers at this level.
Strange almost idealistic selection.No Morrison and no Adam.
IMHO:

Virginia 5 Started ok,but from the angle should have saved the first.Just doesn’t inspire confidence.
Yiadom 4 Got wide twice,and in real trouble with their left winger.Awful first touch and so often missing.
Richards 4 Started with one of his better games,but too soft and never posed a threat.
Moore 3 Shaky throughout and at fault for the first.
Miazga 6 Best of the defence until their third goal,when he just looked knackered ? No pre season ?
Swift 6 Usual service ,but out of position and as our once source of inspiration was swamped.
Rhino 6 Until late in the game our best player,then when he tried to singly force a result,his game fell apart.
Barret 6 TBF he created the goal,but just could not get into the game and contribute.
Loader 2 :Complete passenger,without doing much wrong,apart from one horror pass
Barrow 3 Never any kind of threat.
Meite 6 Good goal ,but completely screwed up one move.Not really a threat.

Adam Should have started and then come off after the hour.
Olise Made himself available,but needed better performers around him
Nova Some nice touches,but no chance to show what he could do.

Despite the sending off,Ref completely bottled Sheffield Weds physical approach.Service as normal,completely inept.Didnt even know the substitute rule.


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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by Chameleon » 03 Aug 2019 21:16

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Chameleon Loader was poor. Hard to judge the keeper, most players would have conceded those three.

Good effort from Meite, Miazga, Swift, Adam. At one point Adam was the only one properly chasing back to deal with counters.

Referee was an embarrassment. If a two handed shove to Miazga's head isn't a penalty, I don't know what is. Also bad for not using advantage and being spineless when it came to Wednesday's timewasting.

We were really left side dominant when it came to attacking, with there almost always being a player coming around to overlap the one charging down the wing. On the right whoever had the ball up there was hung out to dry.

When they went down to 10 men we started to panic and started just randomly hoofing up 50/50s when we needed to keep it on the floor and look for the unmarked player.

Virginia - Okay. Most keepers would have let them in, but you'd have hoped that he'd have saved at least one.
Yiadom - Par
Moore - Needed to take a tactical yellow for the first goal
Miazga - Good, some important blocks. The one mistake he made he recovered well to win possession back.
Richards - Par
Loader - Below standard, needs some more time to develop.
Swift - Good performance.
Rino- Not vintage.
Barrow - Good effort.
Méïté - I don't understand how he does it, but gets the ball in the next pretty regularly.
Barrett - Okay. Good assist.

Adam - Very good up until they went down to 10, needs to be reminded that we had the man advantage, not them and hence should have kept the ball on the floor Chased back well at times. Liked the move to make their striker wipe himself out.


Olise - Good.
Novakovich- No time.

Ref - Useless tosser. He'd have made more correct calls by flipping a coin.


How can you rate the majority of players as performing well when we lost 3-1 at home to a Wednesday?

It can't just be all down to bad refereeing?


I don't think that I did? Out of the starters:

4 were positive comments.

4 average.

3 negative.


I don't think that we performed that badly up until 70 odd minutes, it just wasn't quite clicking.

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by Jack Celliers » 03 Aug 2019 21:24

It was OK. Moore's mistake was a bit of a surprise, but we came back with a nice equaliser, then gave away another soft goal.

I thought we would get an equaliser, but then Adam came on, and that was it really. It must have been soul-destroying for the rest of the team who had been so careful with the ball - Swift especially - to see him come on and spray hollywood balls into touch.

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by Dick Habbin's hairdo » 03 Aug 2019 21:40

Snowflake Royal So. That was frustrating as shit.

Talking points.
1 Handball - not sure how that works with the new rule, but saw a screen shot and definitely arm despite the ref's claim otherwise and clearly leaning in to the ball, but was by his side.
2 Miazga pen. Nailed on, totally sandwiched out of it and taken down.
3 Ref utter shit. Let Weds cynically foul again and again. Rino wiped out to prevent a break at least 4 or 5 times. 1 maybe 2 yellows. Lots of wrong decisions. Played on loads for them, made us take free kicks rather than have advantage. Seemed poor time management and had no control.

Our defence, which should have been solid looked a total shambles. Massive holes between Yiadom and Moore. Speaking of which, why have him and Miazga swapped sides?

Virginia - 5 not sure I could say he was directly at fault for any goal. But inspired no confidence at all.
Yiadom - 6 almost scored. Attacked quite well but shambolic defending at times.
Richards - 6 err ok, attacked less well than Yiadom but thought he defended better and had better link up with MM
Moore - 5 no organisation in defence. Constantly left us wide open on the right leaving massive open gaps between him marking no one and Yiadom who was frequently double and tripled up on.
Miazga - 6 bit better than Moore but also some appalling passing at times.
Rino - 6 some great, though mostly fouled when doing it, but one of his less good games, caught out of position ball watching at times and some poor passing.
Swift - 6 surprisingly solid in midfield and some good moments with few poor ones, but needs to play higher
Loader - 5 tidy, but everything up top for us was too slow and la king in penetration. He was part of that.
Barrow - 6 hot and cold, think he should have scored the handball rebound
Meite - 7 scored and put himself a out but couldn't really win a lot in the air and it bounced off him a bit.
Barrett - 6 tidy, but one of too many attacking players not creating enough

Adam - 6 looked class when he came on playing high up. Then inexplicably dropped back and started spraying Hollywood balls into touch or to Wednesday.
Olise - 7 looks a cut above. Finds space, turns forward, demands the ball and plays at a high tempo
Nova - barely had a touch and we decided to let Weds play in our left back position once he was on.

The goal kicks are shameful. Put your central defence and midfield in or on the edge of your box pass it short until you lose it or hoof it forward to the big hole where your midfield should be.

Midfield plays too deep and we have no focal point. There's nothing in the middle of the pitch for us in their half of the middle third. Unless everyone comes deep and then we have no one in their defensive third.

Despite that big gripe, this team has something about it. But we were really naive and disorganised today.

Barry Bannon shit all over us.


Bloomin' 'eck, Snowflake spot on. Agree with every single word of that, except Meite - who a) needs to stay on his and b) find a first touch. Apart from a great header, he was really quite poor.

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by Gunny Fishcake » 03 Aug 2019 21:50

Basically a load of bollocks. Didn’t look remotely like a team and lacked any leadership on the pitch . It’s ok playing out from the keeper if your Barcelona or Liverpool but our defenders look like rabbits caught in headlights and if we continue with that style with Vagina in goal looking totally bereft of confidence it’s a car crash waiting to happen. I fear for this season.


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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by AthleticoSpizz » 03 Aug 2019 21:54

Lack of leadership?

That’ll be Moore then?

‘Vagina’ 19 years old, one game and written- off already

Jeez...what have we become here?

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by The Enfield Royal71 » 03 Aug 2019 21:57

AthleticoSpizz Lack of leadership?

That’ll be Moore then?

‘Vagina’ 19 years old, one game and written- off already

Jeez...what have we become here?


Reading fans?

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by AthleticoSpizz » 03 Aug 2019 21:58

No, HNA ‘experts’

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by Muskrat » 03 Aug 2019 22:03

Snowflake Royal It really is something for a team without a manager to totally destroy Gomes tactically.


Is it? Really? I'm not going to use the old cliché about Gomes being tactically naive because I don't believe that to be true. It's far worse than that, he's tactically unaware. Seems like a really nice fella but i fear that this season could be just as bad as the last. He's had half a season and a full pre-season including two transfer windows to improve us and there's precious little sign of it happening.

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by Getthebeerens » 03 Aug 2019 22:11

Well not the start we all wanted but pretty much one we are all used to by now. It was nervy performance for me, which perhaps is to be expected with the young side we now have.

Felt the game was going to go away from us as soon as the referee missed the most blatant of penalties you will see all season with the hand ball and then a second one on Miazga when competing for a corner. Could of been very different result if the correct decisions were made. (Luck evens itself up so hopefully 2 x soft penalties at Hull next week would be nice)

Sheffield Wednesday essentially bullied us into defeat today,every time we looked like breaking dangerously a simple foul stopped us in our tracks. All methods we could of used but didn’t to stop Sheffield Wednesday counter attacks and goals today. We need to be more nasty as a team.

In terms of creativity it was poor, slow passing, two passes when one would do. Such a shame as we showed improvements on this against Chelsea.

Ratings everyone 6/10 for me.

A tough day at the office for sure but some valuable lessons learned.

Positives:
Valuable minutes for the academy lads
JG saying he hopes to add a Striker and Midfielder this week
Olisse (This guy is the real deal, confident in his ability and should start against Hull)
45 more games to play

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by NewCorkSeth » 03 Aug 2019 22:22

Hard to know who to trust here. I'll watch the game back on Monday. I only caught about 20 minutes in total.

As is often the case the whoscored stats are not exactly lining up with peoples opinions.

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Re: BFTG - Sheffield

by leon » 03 Aug 2019 22:23

Jack Celliers It was OK. Moore's mistake was a bit of a surprise, but we came back with a nice equaliser, then gave away another soft goal.

I thought we would get an equaliser, but then Adam came on, and that was it really. It must have been soul-destroying for the rest of the team who had been so careful with the ball - Swift especially - to see him come on and spray hollywood balls into touch.


That was Ok? What?

As for your Adam comment....he played at least two absolutely beautiful balls to barrow that cut out their right side and put him into space.

Soul destroying for Swift? Don’t make me laugh.

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