by STAR Voice » 16 Apr 2007 10:41
by PieEater » 16 Apr 2007 13:09
by Barry the bird boggler » 16 Apr 2007 13:39
by bigmike » 16 Apr 2007 14:59
by STAR Voice » 16 Apr 2007 15:16
PieEater So the official supporters trust position on this is not to object to loyal supporters being moved.
Do any of the clubs possible options involve not moving people? Thought not, the question is just how far.
Why do STAR think this is a good position to take, for the supporters they claim to represent? Why not campaign to get the plans changed?
by STAR Voice » 16 Apr 2007 15:21
bigmike So as nothing will happen next season that means the people in the affected area can renew. Then lets say that Reading takes off and sells out the allocation... Exactly where are they going to move people??? Are they going to allow people sitting on other peoples Knees?
Also you mentioned that the club are looking at a number of options, which they've outlined to us but they've not decided yet what exactly will happen.
Any chance of you telling us what these might be?
by Behindu » 16 Apr 2007 15:36
bigmike So as nothing will happen next season that means the people in the affected area can renew. Then lets say that Reading takes off and sells out the allocation... Exactly where are they going to move people??? Are they going to allow people sitting on other peoples Knees?
by bigmike » 16 Apr 2007 15:57
Behindubigmike So as nothing will happen next season that means the people in the affected area can renew. Then lets say that Reading takes off and sells out the allocation... Exactly where are they going to move people??? Are they going to allow people sitting on other peoples Knees?
Well won't 6000 new seats available for people to move to, none of which would be sold to existing STH so therefore not subject to renewals ?
IF the plan moves forward the worst case scenerio seems to be people may have to move a dozen or so rows back from where they are now.
And as there would seem to be plenty of consultation going on then it does seem a bit crazy for people to start losing their rag and posting personal insults ....
by Yellowcoat » 16 Apr 2007 16:28
by Behindu » 16 Apr 2007 16:35
bigmike What personal insults ????
by bigmike » 16 Apr 2007 17:03
Behindubigmike What personal insults ????
Your accusation that STAR officials are purely in it for 'kudos' and personal gain.
A silly comment and one which is easy to make under the cloak of anonymity.
I am a member of STAR, not an official, but I do know most of the people who take an active role (and there are precious few of them) and I think I can safely say that none of them are in it for any personal gain - in fact most make some pretty significant sacrifices in order to do what they do and levelling slanderous comments at them is totally out of order.
You owe them an apology.
by weybridgewanderer » 16 Apr 2007 17:32
by Behindu » 16 Apr 2007 17:41
bigmike [I will give a appology to any person that I made a personal insult to...
However I stated my opinion and sometimes my opinion can be wrong
I did not name any individual as far as I am aware I did not make a personal insult...
If any person believes that I personally insulted them I will make an apology to them.
I take it that people are no longer allowed to have their own opinions??
by PieEater » 16 Apr 2007 17:45
STAR Campaigns Nope, the official Supporters' Trust position is to see if any supporters (loyal or otherwise) are actually going to be moved before we get so excited about this. No planning permission yet, no idea how many people will be moved if this happens, no clear idea what the club's proposals are for this.
The plans are tentative, there is no planning permission, it's just too damn early to fight against anything that might not happen.
Chill out until we know what is actually happening!
by Hoop Blah » 16 Apr 2007 17:48
STAR CampaignsPieEater So the official supporters trust position on this is not to object to loyal supporters being moved.
Do any of the clubs possible options involve not moving people? Thought not, the question is just how far.
Why do STAR think this is a good position to take, for the supporters they claim to represent? Why not campaign to get the plans changed?
Nope, the official Supporters' Trust position is to see if any supporters (loyal or otherwise) are actually going to be moved before we get so excited about this. No planning permission yet, no idea how many people will be moved if this happens, no clear idea what the club's proposals are for this.
The plans are tentative, there is no planning permission, it's just too damn early to fight against anything that might not happen.
Chill out until we know what is actually happening!
by Behindu » 16 Apr 2007 17:51
by Barry the bird boggler » 16 Apr 2007 17:52
by bigmike » 16 Apr 2007 18:02
Behindubigmike [I will give a appology to any person that I made a personal insult to...
However I stated my opinion and sometimes my opinion can be wrong
I did not name any individual as far as I am aware I did not make a personal insult...
If any person believes that I personally insulted them I will make an apology to them.
I take it that people are no longer allowed to have their own opinions??
The officials in STAR are small in number and well known by name. Your statement was clearly aimed at a very specific and easily identifiable set of people.
It deserved challenging and I still maintain you owe those you accused an apology.
Clearly people are entitled to an opinion and you have been voicing yours long and loud.
But an opinion is differnet to accsuing others of bad faith and (essentially) corruption.
by STAR Voice » 16 Apr 2007 18:07
PieEaterSTAR Campaigns Nope, the official Supporters' Trust position is to see if any supporters (loyal or otherwise) are actually going to be moved before we get so excited about this. No planning permission yet, no idea how many people will be moved if this happens, no clear idea what the club's proposals are for this.
The plans are tentative, there is no planning permission, it's just too damn early to fight against anything that might not happen.
Chill out until we know what is actually happening!
The STAR stance doesn't tie up with the facts.
PieEater - There are clear plans with seats removed, the granting of planning permission will be based on these plans. To say STAR have "no idea" of those affected is wrong.
PieEater -STAR have already talked to the club about possible mitigation of those affected. So the club already perceive acceptance to the moves by the fans representatives.
PieEater It seems clear that STAR have already made up their minds to support the club in softening the blow to fans rather than flatly objecting moving fans in the first place.
PieEater I think STAR should be getting the club to seek planning permission with modified plans that do not affect any of its existing supporters. If STAR think otherwise then OK, but why pretend its not happening?
by PieEater » 16 Apr 2007 18:09
Behindu Will planning permission actually cover things like seats being used for 'club' style hospitality ?
Surely the permission relates to structural issues / external aesthetics / safety and what have you rather than who sits in which seats ?
I doubt the club had to get planning permission when they had the special block for cheap seats a while back.
I doubt that this is part of the planning app, and in any case many apps get altered as work progresses..
Behindu Is it realistic to start from a point that says no seats can be altered ? We'd be tying the hands of the club in improving the ground.
Work with them to get the best answer for EVERYONE..
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