Alcohol policy

[Behindu]

If you read the rule carefully you'll see if has a massive and fairly obvious typo !
The word 'and' makes the thing meaningless.

But for football at least the rule is that you would not be allowed to take alcohol into the ground whatever container it is in.


Rugby is different, not least because you can buy alcohol in the North Stand Craic and they then let you take it with you when you dash to get into the stadium 5 minutes before ko !

[Forbury Lion]

Are you allowed to take some hops and a home brewing kit in with you?

How do the caterers take alcohol in?

Personally I'd like to see fans allowed to take their own alcohol in (in a suhtable container) or for drink to be banned in the ground altogether.

[Behindu]

Are you allowed to take some hops and a home brewing kit in with you?

How do the caterers take alcohol in?

Personally I'd like to see fans allowed to take their own alcohol in (in a suhtable container) or for drink to be banned in the ground altogether.

I suspect you could leave a pint of lager outside the ground and use an extremely long straw dangled from the back of the stand to drink the contents and not fall foul of any rules.

[Maguire]

If you freeze alcohol and take it in as a solid does that still count as a liquor?

I don't know, but they'll probably frown at the refrigeration unit you take in with you to keep your alchol below its freezing point of -117 degrees celsius.

[Mr Angry]

If you freeze alcohol and take it in as a solid does that still count as a liquor?

I don't know, but they'll probably frown at the refrigeration unit you take in with you to keep your alchol below its freezing point of -117 degrees celsius.

Not if you are in the North Stand, and tell the steward that you are using a new drum they won't......after all, banging a refrigiration unit with a wooden spoon will probably produce as good a tune as the drummer gets at the moment.

[Winchester Royal]

If you freeze alcohol and take it in as a solid does that still count as a liquor?

Yes, but you wouldn't be allowed to take it in in case you hit somebody with it.

[philM]

So you can enter the ground with a plastic cup of lager in your hand that you bought from home?

what part did you not understand

Being in possession of any intoxicating liquor

Dont take the quote out of context.

The rule still does not state that you cannot take alcohol into the ground. If you read it properly, there is an 'and' part to the rule.

Therefore taking in a lager in a plastic cup is totally allowed according to this rule.

Tell you what, give it a go next season and then report back to us.

No need to be sarky, I know they will obviously stop you from entering.
I was just trying to find out, under what grounds they can do it.

Which, no one has come up with yet.

Apologies for the sarcasm but can I respectfully suggest that you re-read 12.2 until you understand that it does indeed say you can't take alcohol into the ground.

I tell you what, you re=-read rule 12.2 until you fully understand it and then tell me that I am right.

If you read it properly you will see that to be unacceptable to be taken it the ground then it has to fullfill two criteria, hence the word 'and'.

It obviously fills criteria one, but if taken in in a plastic beaker then it does not fullfill criteria two.

Apologies accepted shades!!!!!!

Nope, you are wrong. The "OR" is the key word.. If it preceeded "bottle" and "can" you would be right, although it would be poor usage of English. (For you to be right it should be omitted entirely and replaced by a comma). Because it only occurs once it has the function of splitting the sentence into two discrete sections.

12.2 Being in possession of any intoxicating liquor (this is the first offence)

OR bottle, can or other portable container and which could cause damage or personal injury (Second offence is to have these items in a state that could cause damage/injury, ie with the tops on)

[working class hero]

12.2 Being in possession of any intoxicating liquor, or bottle, can or other portable container and which could cause damage or personal injury, when entering the Ground or in a public area of the Ground from which the event can be directly viewed.

Presumably that means my thermos flask is technically in breach of the rules.

I've never understood this. You're not allowed to bring in bottles of water, for example, unless the top is removed. You can buy bottles of drink in the concourse but they remove the top. Are they really saying that a small drinks bottle top is a potentially more damaging risk than the plastic bottle itself? Also, if being in possession of a bottle or other portable container is illegal, why do they sell them in the concourses?

I think you miss the point, which is easily done until it is explained to you.

Bottle of drink full up, thrown at rival fan 20 metres away = most of the liquid flies out and fan gets hit by a light empty container.

Bottle of drink full up with top on thrown a rival fan 20 metres away = 'ouch that bloody hurt, you nearly had my eye out you scum'

I see that totally and it is fine. However, I do think that this is a bit tenuous since I sit in the North stand.... If I could really hit the South from row BB I could be an Olympic contender...!

[Katie Marsden]

If the club is worried about bottles being thrown with the lids on, why don't they ban coins aswell? They go further and hurt more.

The lid rule is just another pointless rule designed to wind people up.

[cmonurz]

Yes alad, of course. The safety officer sat in his office and thought 'I am personally responsible for the safety and well-being of 25,000 people, so I will come up with regulations that piss them off'.

[Katie Marsden]

Calm down m8, you seem to be getting worked up, must be the tension of Wednesday getting to you.

[cmonurz]

Calm down m8, you seem to be getting worked up, must be the tension of Wednesday getting to you.

Yes, good argument, well done.

[One Beer is never enough.]

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[RoyalBlue]

12.2 Being in possession of any intoxicating liquor, or bottle, can or other portable container and which could cause damage or personal injury, when entering the Ground or in a public area of the Ground from which the event can be directly viewed.

Presumably that means my thermos flask is technically in breach of the rules.

I've never understood this. You're not allowed to bring in bottles of water, for example, unless the top is removed. You can buy bottles of drink in the concourse but they remove the top. Are they really saying that a small drinks bottle top is a potentially more damaging risk than the plastic bottle itself? Also, if being in possession of a bottle or other portable container is illegal, why do they sell them in the concourses?

Only the catering staff are so poorly trained/paid that you frequently see people coming away with the caps still on the bottle!

[Royal Rob]

If the club is worried about bottles being thrown with the lids on, why don't they ban coins aswell? They go further and hurt more.

The lid rule is just another pointless rule designed to wind people up.

I always put a bottle of water in my back pocket with the lid on before going into away games. Stewards usually don't spot it there. Alternatively, put an old lid in your pocket

That said I've had many an argument with stewards about the stupidity of the rule. I often take a glasses case into the ground with me and point out that I could equally throw that instead of a lid. But it's the lid that gets confiscated and not the glasses case....

[Whistle]

Seems a bit hypocritical as you can buy a pint of lager in the stadium and take it out on the bus with you.

I don't like the Wembley business of not allowing you to take any food in there - how on earth can they justify that - alongside all their 'het their early' stuff?

What if you're pregant with insane cravings for tuna and marmite sandwiches, for example?

[Forbury Lion]

If the club is worried about bottles being thrown with the lids on, why don't they ban coins aswell? They go further and hurt more.

I hear Wembly have done this and rounded everything up to a tenner.

[Behindu]

That said I've had many an argument with stewards about the stupidity of the rule. I often take a glasses case into the ground with me and point out that I could equally throw that instead of a lid. But it's the lid that gets confiscated and not the glasses case....

For the benefit of those who didn't read the first page of the thread :

The rule about bottle tops isn't really about whether they might be thrown or not.

If you drop a plastic drinks bottle on the ground with a top on it becomes like a roller - step on it and you go flying.

If it has no top on and you step on it you just squash it.

If you have hundreds of them dropped on the ground (especially on steps) then inevitably someone is going to have a nasty accident.

[shadesrwrf]

So you can enter the ground with a plastic cup of lager in your hand that you bought from home?

what part did you not understand

Being in possession of any intoxicating liquor

Dont take the quote out of context.

The rule still does not state that you cannot take alcohol into the ground. If you read it properly, there is an 'and' part to the rule.

Therefore taking in a lager in a plastic cup is totally allowed according to this rule.

Tell you what, give it a go next season and then report back to us.

No need to be sarky, I know they will obviously stop you from entering.
I was just trying to find out, under what grounds they can do it.

Which, no one has come up with yet.

Apologies for the sarcasm but can I respectfully suggest that you re-read 12.2 until you understand that it does indeed say you can't take alcohol into the ground.

I tell you what, you re=-read rule 12.2 until you fully understand it and then tell me that I am right.

If you read it properly you will see that to be unacceptable to be taken it the ground then it has to fullfill two criteria, hence the word 'and'.

It obviously fills criteria one, but if taken in in a plastic beaker then it does not fullfill criteria two.

Apologies accepted shades!!!!!!

Nope, you are wrong. The "OR" is the key word.. If it preceeded "bottle" and "can" you would be right, although it would be poor usage of English. (For you to be right it should be omitted entirely and replaced by a comma). Because it only occurs once it has the function of splitting the sentence into two discrete sections.

12.2 Being in possession of any intoxicating liquor (this is the first offence)

OR bottle, can or other portable container and which could cause damage or personal injury (Second offence is to have these items in a state that could cause damage/injury, ie with the tops on)

Thanks Phil. As I said previously Londinium please try openly taking some alcohol into the stadium and report back once you've been successful. I'd prefer photographic evidence, maybe of you sharing your favourite tipple with a steward. Thanks.

[weybridgewanderer]

So you can enter the ground with a plastic cup of lager in your hand that you bought from home?

what part did you not understand

Being in possession of any intoxicating liquor

Dont take the quote out of context.

The rule still does not state that you cannot take alcohol into the ground. If you read it properly, there is an 'and' part to the rule.

Therefore taking in a lager in a plastic cup is totally allowed according to this rule.

Tell you what, give it a go next season and then report back to us.

No need to be sarky, I know they will obviously stop you from entering.
I was just trying to find out, under what grounds they can do it.

Which, no one has come up with yet.

Apologies for the sarcasm but can I respectfully suggest that you re-read 12.2 until you understand that it does indeed say you can't take alcohol into the ground.

I tell you what, you re=-read rule 12.2 until you fully understand it and then tell me that I am right.

If you read it properly you will see that to be unacceptable to be taken it the ground then it has to fullfill two criteria, hence the word 'and'.

It obviously fills criteria one, but if taken in in a plastic beaker then it does not fullfill criteria two.

Apologies accepted shades!!!!!!

Nope, you are wrong. The "OR" is the key word.. If it preceeded "bottle" and "can" you would be right, although it would be poor usage of English. (For you to be right it should be omitted entirely and replaced by a comma). Because it only occurs once it has the function of splitting the sentence into two discrete sections.

12.2 Being in possession of any intoxicating liquor (this is the first offence)

OR bottle, can or other portable container and which could cause damage or personal injury (Second offence is to have these items in a state that could cause damage/injury, ie with the tops on)

As i pointed out some time ago on this very thread

Posted: 19 May 2007 12:50 Post subject:

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12.2 Being in possession of any intoxicating liquor, or bottle, can or other portable container and which could cause damage or personal injury, when entering the Ground or in a public area of the Ground from which the event can be directly viewed.

i read this as

any intoxicating liquor

or

bottle, can or portable container which can cause personal injury