England - the future....

3675 posts
South Coast Royal
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 6049
Joined: 16 Jan 2020 17:29

Re: England - the future....

by South Coast Royal » 16 May 2024 10:08

Sanguine I'm on record as one of Southgate's biggest supporters - but his selections in recent times have become more and more frustrating. Maybe summed up by the fact that James Tarkowski - ranked first in the PL for aeriel duels won and blocked shots, and second in clearances, playing for the best defence outside of the top 3 - is apparently nowhere near the Euros squad. He should be ahead of Dunk, Maguire and Guehi in the pecking order, imho.


I have always liked Tarkowski but for all of his defensive qualities I would suggest that he is behind Dunk and even Maguire in his distribution IMHO.
At international level distribution is important and that is why Stones, who I think is physically a bit soft,is an automatic selection.

Would still have Tarkowski or Coady over Maguire .

URZZZZ
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 7339
Joined: 20 Apr 2013 18:30

Re: England - the future....

by URZZZZ » 16 May 2024 21:44

South Coast Royal
Sanguine I'm on record as one of Southgate's biggest supporters - but his selections in recent times have become more and more frustrating. Maybe summed up by the fact that James Tarkowski - ranked first in the PL for aeriel duels won and blocked shots, and second in clearances, playing for the best defence outside of the top 3 - is apparently nowhere near the Euros squad. He should be ahead of Dunk, Maguire and Guehi in the pecking order, imho.


I have always liked Tarkowski but for all of his defensive qualities I would suggest that he is behind Dunk and even Maguire in his distribution IMHO.
At international level distribution is important and that is why Stones, who I think is physically a bit soft,is an automatic selection.

Would still have Tarkowski or Coady over Maguire .


Much of a muchness defensively IMO the lot of them, not quite international standard. Maguire most likely to pop up at the other end with a header which is why I think he’ll always make the team

Fairly regular calls for Dunk these last couple of seasons who was poor in last roster of internationals, doubt he’ll make the cut

User avatar
Royal Rother
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 21381
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 23:22
Location: The handsome bald fella with the blue eyes

Re: England - the future....

by Royal Rother » 17 May 2024 06:21

It’s not just England. There’s no glamour appeal in the art of defending to us British any more.

I suppose Cole, Terry and Ferdinand were top class but I can’t think of another one since them.

Even potentially top class youngsters who start out as defenders (Rice for e.g) end up being converted to play further up the field.

No idea how it can be fixed but something the coaching culture should look at. Make defending more sexy!

South Coast Royal
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 6049
Joined: 16 Jan 2020 17:29

Re: England - the future....

by South Coast Royal » 17 May 2024 10:17

Royal Rother It’s not just England. There’s no glamour appeal in the art of defending to us British any more.

I suppose Cole, Terry and Ferdinand were top class but I can’t think of another one since them.

Even potentially top class youngsters who start out as defenders (Rice for e.g) end up being converted to play further up the field.

No idea how it can be fixed but something the coaching culture should look at. Make defending more sexy!


Very much agree with that.
Maybe somebody like Quansah or Branthwaite will kick on but most defenders in the top teams are non-British.

With defensive midfielders now becoming very much sought after maybe out and out defenders (as with Italy of old) will become the new must haves.

Incidentally City have about 5 centre-backs if you include Ake and Gvardiol so where Pep goes perhaps the others will follow.

Sutekh
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 19059
Joined: 12 Feb 2014 14:05
Location: Undiscovered pyramid somewhere in Egypt

Re: England - the future....

by Sutekh » 20 May 2024 15:26

So, what are your guesses for the final England Euros squad?

My 26 man squad suggestion:

    Keepers
  1. Pickford
  2. Henderson, D
  3. Ramsdale

    Defenders
  4. Maguire
  5. Stones
  6. Walker
  7. Trippier
  8. Konsa
  9. Guehi
  10. Shaw
  11. Gomez
  12. Branthwaite

    Midfield
  13. Bellingham
  14. Alexander-Arnold
  15. Rice
  16. Gallagher
  17. Henderson, J
  18. Wharton
  19. Elliott

    Forwards
  20. Kane
  21. Saka
  22. Foden
  23. Grealish
  24. Palmer
  25. Gordon
  26. Toney

Now if only the England set up could persuade Olise to come on board :lol:


South Coast Royal
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 6049
Joined: 16 Jan 2020 17:29

Re: England - the future....

by South Coast Royal » 20 May 2024 16:16

Sutekh So, what are your guesses for the final England Euros squad?

My 26 man squad suggestion:

    Keepers
  1. Pickford
  2. Henderson, D
  3. Ramsdale

    Defenders
  4. Maguire
  5. Stones
  6. Walker
  7. Trippier
  8. Konsa
  9. Guehi
  10. Shaw
  11. Gomez
  12. Branthwaite

    Midfield
  13. Bellingham
  14. Alexander-Arnold
  15. Rice
  16. Gallagher
  17. Henderson, J
  18. Wharton
  19. Elliott

    Forwards
  20. Kane
  21. Saka
  22. Foden
  23. Grealish
  24. Palmer
  25. Gordon
  26. Toney

Now if only the England set up could persuade Olise to come on board :lol:


Would probably leave out Trippier and take Watkins especially with Kane having back problems.

User avatar
Hendo
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 21320
Joined: 25 Mar 2012 20:53
Location: Lambs to the cosmic slaughter

Re: England - the future....

by Hendo » 21 May 2024 13:27

Rashford, Sterling and Henderson all looking like being out.

User avatar
NathStPaul
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 11278
Joined: 19 Feb 2019 14:21

Re: England - the future....

by NathStPaul » 21 May 2024 14:21

Hendo Rashford, Sterling and Henderson all looking like being out.

Agree with that decision if true. They have all had their time imo. Think Rashford could come again but he needs to move clubs and have a fresh start.

User avatar
Zammo
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 6123
Joined: 09 Jun 2005 13:22
Location: Hold Your Fire

Re: England - the future....

by Zammo » 21 May 2024 14:26

Another positive press conference from Gareth :|

(good squad though)


Loafer
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 11847
Joined: 30 Dec 2021 15:28

Re: England - the future....

by Loafer » 21 May 2024 14:27

this has to be one of the worst england squads of all time

southgate has lost the oxf*rd plot

WestYorksRoyal
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 5810
Joined: 15 Apr 2019 19:16

Re: England - the future....

by WestYorksRoyal » 21 May 2024 14:31

Assuming Shaw doesn't make it, who the hell starts at LB?

User avatar
Royal Rother
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 21381
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 23:22
Location: The handsome bald fella with the blue eyes

Re: England - the future....

by Royal Rother » 21 May 2024 14:34

Loafer this has to be one of the worst england squads of all time

southgate has lost the oxf*rd plot


What would you have done differently?

User avatar
6ft Kerplunk
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 14098
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 10:09
Location: Shoegazing Sheißhaus

Re: England - the future....

by 6ft Kerplunk » 21 May 2024 14:40

WestYorksRoyal Assuming Shaw doesn't make it, who the hell starts at LB?

Trippier has done it before for England and Gomez has played there a fair bit for Liverpool this season. Not ideal but its the weakest part of our squad for depth and has been for a while.


ayjaydee
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 1496
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 22:36

Re: England - the future....

by ayjaydee » 21 May 2024 14:43

Loafer this has to be one of the worst england squads of all time

southgate has lost the oxf*rd plot


If you don't want the pile on suggest you engage brain before starting keyboard

User avatar
Hendo
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 21320
Joined: 25 Mar 2012 20:53
Location: Lambs to the cosmic slaughter

Re: England - the future....

by Hendo » 21 May 2024 14:45

NathStPaul
Hendo Rashford, Sterling and Henderson all looking like being out.

Agree with that decision if true. They have all had their time imo. Think Rashford could come again but he needs to move clubs and have a fresh start.


Yep, would agree with that - don't think I'd be against Rashford being one of the players on standby should a number of injuries occur.

User avatar
6ft Kerplunk
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 14098
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 10:09
Location: Shoegazing Sheißhaus

Re: England - the future....

by 6ft Kerplunk » 21 May 2024 14:46

South Coast Royal Fortunately Toney has progressed so that any injury to Kane would not now be a national disaster.

Has he? He's not been that good since he came back from his ban and is a bit lucky to be in the provisional squad.

Loafer
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 11847
Joined: 30 Dec 2021 15:28

Re: England - the future....

by Loafer » 21 May 2024 14:49

Royal Rother
Loafer this has to be one of the worst england squads of all time

southgate has lost the oxf*rd plot


What would you have done differently?


dunno tbh, its just a shit squad

awful defence, too many young players who cant cut it

Loafer
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 11847
Joined: 30 Dec 2021 15:28

Re: England - the future....

by Loafer » 21 May 2024 14:50

ayjaydee
Loafer this has to be one of the worst england squads of all time

southgate has lost the oxf*rd plot


If you don't want the pile on suggest you engage brain before starting keyboard

everybody is entitled to their own opinion

User avatar
Hendo
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 21320
Joined: 25 Mar 2012 20:53
Location: Lambs to the cosmic slaughter

Re: England - the future....

by Hendo » 21 May 2024 14:50

I, for one, am delighted that Henderson misses out. Think he has been god awful for ages.

South Coast Royal
Hob Nob Addict
Posts: 6049
Joined: 16 Jan 2020 17:29

Re: England - the future....

by South Coast Royal » 21 May 2024 16:12

6ft Kerplunk
South Coast Royal Fortunately Toney has progressed so that any injury to Kane would not now be a national disaster.

Has he? He's not been that good since he came back from his ban and is a bit lucky to be in the provisional squad.


So who would you have taken in his place?

3675 posts

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 20 guests

It is currently 24 Jun 2024 04:54