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[SPARTA]

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[Victor Meldrew]

Where Moyes' position is so different to most managerial changes is that he didn't come in as a result of a sacking and/or a team playing badly.
As with Guardiola he took over the champions so ,in some ways was on a hiding to nothing, but unlike Guardiola he has presided over a catastrophic downturn in results and the other point is that he hasn't lost any players.
People often use the saying "You don't become a bad player overnight" but in this case 7 or 8 of them have and for a number of these it is not a question of age.

Personally like a lot of fans I am enjoying this demise and when Moyes was appointed I had doubts about him succeeding as , in all of his managerial time, he was in charge of hard-working players generally performing to their optimum with no superstars or known big egos.
The style of Everton's play was all about hard work and "dogs of war" approach with quite a bit of long ball thrown in (now changed quickly and successfully by Martinez with mainly the same players as before)-this is not how Man Utd have ever played and I suspect the players don't want to play that way either.

I would not be surprised to see Moyes go, particularly if they get knocked out of Europe at this fairly early stage.
When Fergie first went there he was given time because Man Utd had been unsuccessful and that is why he was given time but Moyes' arrival came at the top so I don't expect him to get the same time leniency.

[Terminal Boardom]

The last time that a man replaced a legend at Old Trafford, it eventually led to relegation from Division 1. Wilf McGuinness had the unenviable task of succeeding Sir Matt Busby. Wind the clock forward something like 45 years and this time Moyes has replaced a legend. Whoever was going to take that gig was going to have a struggle on their hands. What I am enjoying immensely is that last season's champions are being made to look very, very ordinary. On reflection, Utd could have appointed better. They could have taken a gamble on someone like Martinez but that is purely with the benefit of hindsight seeing how well he has done, ironically, at Everton. Moyes has taken on a poisoned chalice and he is being found out for what he really is - an ordinary football manager with nothing in the way of trophies to add to his credentials. Compare his record with that of Fergie's before the latter took over at Old Trafford. Fergie won in Europe with Aberdeen. I doubt that Moyes has any idea where Europe is or that it even exists.

[Man Friday]

I'd say it's the players that are the issue and he needs to have them onside and delivering.

It doesn't work like that - a good manager would motivate and organise them.

[Man Friday]

One could also point to the one shining light of United's season being left out of the squad entirely.

Who's that?

[1871 not 1998]

United are threatening to suspend season tickets for the Man City game if they don't buy tickets for the CL second leg.

[SLAMMED]

Are they even allowed to do that?

[soggy biscuit]

[winchester_royal]

One could also point to the one shining light of United's season being left out of the squad entirely.

Who's that?

[Royal Rother]

Ferguson did brilliantly last year with the self same team (virtually) that Moyes has.

That bunch of players who last year looked like a real team of fighters, capable of really turning it on when it mattered, of playing hard until the 90th minute now look like a bunch of no-hopers.

And it's supposed to be Ferguson's fault?

Priceless. Absolutely bloody priceless.

The players must certainly look at themselves but a top manager could not possibly have failed so miserably to get a tune out of the Championship winning squad.

Moyes is not a top manager. And now the Board know it. There's nothing more to say really.

No way will he be given £200m + to rebuild the team. No way. He's a gonner.

Man Utd need some top new players. It will be very difficult to entice them to OT without Champions League football, and doubly so when the manager has so clearly failed.

With either one of the 2 drawbacks outlined above in place they would have to pay well over the odds in wages to get the players they need to drag them back up the table. Without the £40m + from Champions League football and a probably huge hike in huge wages they could be heading for a big loss next year. And then an injection from the owners to cover it or face a massive fine under Financial Fair Play rules.

With that hanging over them there is, I repeat, no way they can take the gamble of sticking with Moyes.

It's more likely Fergie will be back managing them than Moyes still there next season.

[Pepe the Horseman]

United are threatening to suspend season tickets for the Man City game if they don't buy tickets for the CL second leg.

When you get a season ticket at Utd, you agree to buy a ticket for every cup game, so it's a non-story.

[Silver Fox]

One could also point to the one shining light of United's season being left out of the squad entirely.

Who's that?

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[Man Friday]

Where Fergie is to blame is in advocating Moyes. Trouble is he allowed his heart to rule his head because he had a soft spot for him (fellow Glaswegian, mutual liking, etc).

The Mafia saying should have applied "it's purely business".

[Hoop Blah]

I'd say it's the players that are the issue and he needs to have them onside and delivering.

It doesn't work like that - a good manager would motivate and organise them.

There is certainly an element of that yes, think I even mentioned it in my post. However, for some, it's clearly the case that their winding down their careers, especially at United, and Fergie leaving has given then the chance to do it.

Lets not forget that Fergie is one of the the very best British managers ever. He got the most out of that squad and those players because of that. He also had years of building it to fit his wants and needs. No manager is going to seemlessly take over from one of the greats and not suffer, especially without the ability to bring in enough of his own players to make it his squad.

[Hoop Blah]

Ferguson did brilliantly last year with the self same team (virtually) that Moyes has.

That bunch of players who last year looked like a real team of fighters, capable of really turning it on when it mattered, of playing hard until the 90th minute now look like a bunch of no-hopers.

And it's supposed to be Ferguson's fault?

Priceless. Absolutely bloody priceless.

It's not Fergie's fault that he got more out of them than anyone else could, partly because he's such a good manager, and partly because he'd spent 20-odd years building the squad and ethos of the club to be exactly that way.

He left behind an average squad, with some excellent players propping it up, that he'd managed to overachieve and win the league with. Many people were in agreement that winning the league with such a poor squad was possibly as big a managerial achievement for Fergie as winning trebles or doubles with much better sides previously.

I think there are doubts over Moyes ability to manage at Uniteds level, but having appointed him I think they need to give him a fair crack of the whip to make it work.

[Mr Angry]

Man United are clearly a team in transition, and it is fun to see a mighty title winning machine fall apart, especially as rapidly as this one is doing.

However, I strongly suspect that this transitional period won't last as long as the transitional periods of other clubs, such as Newcastle or Liverpool.

[SPARTA]

[Hoop Blah]

What a daft system. They should just have a direct debit set up to take the funds when there is a cup game they've commited to buy a ticket for.

This was a story back in the summer, or last year, when they forced the policy onto season ticket holders, but now it's just the result of them agreeing to buy them. I'm not sure why a season ticket holder wouldn't really want to buy their ticket for what is actually quite a big game for them.

[Pepe the Horseman]

They'd have probably got that same email even if they'd won the first game.