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[King of Sting]

Have to say if I was a Man UTD fan I would want Moyes to go.

Mata signing alone proves he is tactically clueless. As much as Mata is a great player, Rooney plays that rule and the frizzy hair Belgium is totally useless as well. That's about £65 million wasted by a man who has never beaten one of the top four away or won a single cup. Man Utd need to rebuild now and the Man U board would be crazy to entrust Moyes with the money to do it.

Spot on. In a nutshell, he just ain't up to it.

I said on this very board 6 months ago that he was out of his depth/not up to it. Now 96% of their fans on red café agree with me. Feels good to be right.

[From Despair To Where?]

I think Ferguson realised last year that the task was getting more and more difficult and at his age, coupled with City's continued muscle in the transfer market, he just didn't have the desire to do it any more. He's got nothing more to prove.

Moyes got sold a plum and Fergie knew it.

[King of Sting]

I think Ferguson realised last year that the task was getting more and more difficult and at his age, coupled with City's continued muscle in the transfer market, he just didn't have the desire to do it any more. He's got nothing more to prove.

Moyes got sold a plum and Fergie knew it.

I think there is some truth in that. But he still took over a side that had walked the league and has spent over £60m on 2 players. To say he isn't getting the best out of those players is an understatement. Van Persie looked like he didn't care yesterday. Ferdinand criticised him publicly earlier in the season over not letting players know if they were going to start. Hernandez cant wait to leave. Kagawa hasn't been given a chance. I reckon half the squad want him sacked because they don't rate him. I take it back about Van Persie not caring. I think he just wants Moyes out or he will leave himself. Paying all that money on Mata and then playing him out wide is a waste of a top player. Its all wonderful but it can't last. They will surely sack him.

[Man Friday]

I think Ferguson realised last year that the task was getting more and more difficult and at his age, coupled with City's continued muscle in the transfer market, he just didn't have the desire to do it any more. He's got nothing more to prove.

De facto.

Moyes got sold a plum and Fergie knew it.

Unrelated point to which I disagree.

[From Despair To Where?]

I think he got sold a plum because he inherited a creaking, ageing squad that needs a major overhaul coupled with massive expectation of challenging for every major honour and the one thing he's unlikely to get is the time to turn it around. I think Ferguson knew that the squad needed more than just tinkering and wanted to go out on a high.

[Handsome Man]

I don't think it was all as inevitable as has been painted.

Moyes inherited a squad that had just won the championship without breaking sweat, that was full of high-quality players with a year or two left. A contented Rooney should have been at his peak and they had three young players who had the chance to kick on and form the basis of England teams of the future with Smalling, Jones and Wellbeck. The goalie was young and arguably the best in the league, without the raggedness that Hart was showing or sheer age of Cech. Looking further forward, there were a few good young players and the wonderful Man Utd name to attract the world's best.

Moyes should have been able to make something out of this. In business-speak terms, he has failed to add value to anything at the club, and his failure seems complete. Even Januzaj looks like being over-used. I suppose there is still a little life in the corpse, while they are still in Europe, but I cannot believe his sacking is being delayed so long.

[soggy biscuit]

Moyes inherited a squad that had just won the championship without breaking sweat, that was full of high-quality players

I disagree

[paultheroyal]

Moyes inherited a squad that had just won the championship without breaking sweat, that was full of mediocre players and a couple of world class strikers but unfortunately the opposition chasing pack were shit

[soggy biscuit]

If anything I think Man Utd's current standing tells us more about the brilliance of Ferguson than the failures of Moyes.

[Silver Fox]

three young players who had the chance to kick on and form the basis of England teams of the future with Smalling, Jones and Wellbeck.

Woy's got bigger problems than I thought

[Hoop Blah]

I can't believe people are trying to claim United won the league without breaking sweat last year.

They scraped through so many games last year it's unbelievable and it was a massive achievement by Fergie to win it with the squad he had. I think some, at the time, where even saying it was a bigger achievement than winning the treble because of the team he had.

I do think there is some weight to the argument that Fergie stood down because of the size of the task ahead. He's not been able to strengthen the midfield for years now and with Ferdinand and Vidic both on the decline, and with other clubs now being bigger boys than United in the playground that is the transfer market, actually rebuilding a side at United now is going to be harder than it ever was before whoever the manager is.

Alos, those who've also slagged off the signing of Fellaini as a Moyes error seem to forget that Fergie was apparently trying to sign him previously!

[Terminal Boardom]

I can't believe people are trying to claim United won the league without breaking sweat last year.

They scraped through so many games last year it's unbelievable and it was a massive achievement by Fergie to win it with the squad he had. I think some, at the time, where even saying it was a bigger achievement than winning the treble because of the team he had.

I do think there is some weight to the argument that Fergie stood down because of the size of the task ahead. He's not been able to strengthen the midfield for years now and with Ferdinand and Vidic both on the decline, and with other clubs now being bigger boys than United in the playground that is the transfer market, actually rebuilding a side at United now is going to be harder than it ever was before whoever the manager is.

Alos, those who've also slagged off the signing of Fellaini as a Moyes error seem to forget that Fergie was apparently trying to sign him previously!

But if Fergie really wanted the one with big hair, he would have got him - and for a lot less than Moyes actually paid for him. IMHO, Fellaini is up there with such great signings in the past like Remi Moses and Gary Birtles.

[SPARTA]

[Man Friday]

I don't think it was all as inevitable as has been painted.

Moyes inherited a squad that had just won the championship without breaking sweat, that was full of high-quality players with a year or two left. A contented Rooney should have been at his peak and they had three young players who had the chance to kick on and form the basis of England teams of the future with Smalling, Jones and Wellbeck. The goalie was young and arguably the best in the league, without the raggedness that Hart was showing or sheer age of Cech. Looking further forward, there were a few good young players and the wonderful Man Utd name to attract the world's best.

Moyes should have been able to make something out of this. In business-speak terms, he has failed to add value to anything at the club, and his failure seems complete. Even Januzaj looks like being over-used. I suppose there is still a little life in the corpse, while they are still in Europe, but I cannot believe his sacking is being delayed so long.

More or less spot-on. In particular, Moyes fukked up in the transfer market buying average players at ridiculous prices and losing decent transfer targets.

[Man Friday]

If anything I think Man Utd's current standing tells us more about the brilliance of Ferguson than the failures of Moyes.

I think it tells us both, in equal measure.

[Royal Rother]

I don't think it was all as inevitable as has been painted.

Moyes inherited a squad that had just won the championship without breaking sweat, that was full of high-quality players with a year or two left. A contented Rooney should have been at his peak and they had three young players who had the chance to kick on and form the basis of England teams of the future with Smalling, Jones and Wellbeck. The goalie was young and arguably the best in the league, without the raggedness that Hart was showing or sheer age of Cech. Looking further forward, there were a few good young players and the wonderful Man Utd name to attract the world's best.

Moyes should have been able to make something out of this. In business-speak terms, he has failed to add value to anything at the club, and his failure seems complete. Even Januzaj looks like being over-used. I suppose there is still a little life in the corpse, while they are still in Europe, but I cannot believe his sacking is being delayed so long.

I agree with most of what you say but "sheer age of Cech" is a bit harsh. He's only 31.

[soggy biscuit]

Moyes on the Olympiakos match

"I'm hopeful that we can try to hopefully try. And as a result of hopeful trying we will try to show how good we can be. Hopefully"

[Hoop Blah]

More or less spot-on. In particular, Moyes fukked up in the transfer market buying average players at ridiculous prices and losing decent transfer targets.

Moyes fukked up the transfer market? Isn't that really what United have done for years though? Long term I think Fellaini and especially Mata can be very good signings for United and Mata was probably a purchased for the long term as he obviously doesn't quite fit the squad or style right now.

Look at Fergie's record in the transfer market for the last 5 or 6 years. Apart from splashing out something like £30m on a injury prone 30 year old last summer (he needed to go shit or bust to win the league in his last season) he's not really bought a player to strengthen their side since Berbatov in 2008. Before that he was spending a lot on potential and squad players.

2012 - Kagwa (£12m), Zaha (£15m), Buttner (£5m)
2011 - De Gea* (£19m), Powell (£4m)
2010 - Young (£17m), Jones* (£16.5m), Lindegaard (£3.5m), Bebe (£7.5m), Hernadez (??)
2009 - Valencia (£16m), Obertan (£3m), Smalling (£10m)
2008 - Berbatov (£30m), Rafael & Fabio (??)
2007 - Tevez
2006 - Hargreaves (£17m), Carrick (£18.5m), Anderson (£27m), Nani (£25m)

* long term has/will probably come good

Moyes hasn't got the best out of his squad, and that is a lot about him being able to get them playing for him, but look at his senior players and how many of them have just let him down with, I think, an eye on the exit door once Fergie stepped down.

Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra (actually hasn't been too bad after all the Baines stuff died down), Young, RvP. They've all been shaddows of their former selves in my opinion and that seems to be because of their attitude and nothing more.

[Royalclapper]

Yes, tend to agree with the RvP signing, there were strong suggestions that he was simply a parting gift for Fergie more than anything else.

Fellaini's less than warm welcome to Old Trafford baffles me. Whenever I watched Everton in his time there he was their best and most influential player by far, who often scored and bossed the midfield against the top sides not just the crap - seem to remember him scoring vital goals against Utd & City in his last season at Everton.

Maybe the Utd fans are craving more flair players which could be a challenge under Moyes. I think Fergie also slipped up when they apparently had the chance to sign Modric from Real Madrid while he was exiled for being too skillz under Mourinho.

[Man Friday]

Both purchases are too slow. Top teams need speed. Mata and Fellaini are too pedestrian. It's as simple as that.