Weekend Football

[NathStPaul]

Wonder if Moyes will be in trouble soon.

West Ham's last 10 PL matches - LLLLDWLLDL

Wild prediction:

Brendan Rodgers to West Ham. Sean Dyche taking over at Leicester.

[Hendo]

Wonder if Moyes will be in trouble soon.

West Ham's last 10 PL matches - LLLLDWLLDL

Wild prediction:

Brendan Rodgers to West Ham. Sean Dyche taking over at Leicester.

Would've though Dyche would be more suited to West Ham. Probably the most suited managed for them since Big Sam

[paultheroyal]

Wonder if Moyes will be in trouble soon.

West Ham's last 10 PL matches - LLLLDWLLDL

Wild prediction:

Brendan Rodgers to West Ham. Sean Dyche taking over at Leicester.

Stoke City fans are crying out for them to sack O'Neill and to appoint Dyche whilst he is out of work. Stoke does appear to be a Dyche kind of club.

[NathStPaul]

Wonder if Moyes will be in trouble soon.

West Ham's last 10 PL matches - LLLLDWLLDL

Wild prediction:

Brendan Rodgers to West Ham. Sean Dyche taking over at Leicester.

Would've though Dyche would be more suited to West Ham. Probably the most suited managed for them since Big Sam

I think the Leicester job will come up for grabs first, can see them being in a relegation dog fight tbh. Think Dyche is their man for that. Can't see Rodgers sticking it out much longer, losing every decent player they have and won't be able to adequately replace them. Really odd situation at Leicester.

You'd think Moyes would get time based on last seasons results. Can see him being given until the World Cup break and Rodgers replacing him.

[NathStPaul]

Wonder if Moyes will be in trouble soon.

West Ham's last 10 PL matches - LLLLDWLLDL

Wild prediction:

Brendan Rodgers to West Ham. Sean Dyche taking over at Leicester.

Stoke City fans are crying out for them to sack O'Neill and to appoint Dyche whilst he is out of work. Stoke does appear to be a Dyche kind of club.

Wouldn't disagree but I think he could do a little better for his first appointment following the Burnley sacking. You'd think Everton would be interested should Lampard continue to struggle. Dyche would be a good fit for them given their budget constraints.

[Royal Rother]

Not a red in my book and a brilliant use of VAR. Sky Sports showing a repeated angle of high foot but angle made it far worse than it actually was. Trippier intent was not to be dangerous or injure an opponent in my opinion. Ref's team called that right in the end.

I'd hazard a guess that 90% of red card fouls do not have an intent to endanger or injure an opponent, but that doesn't seem to make a difference if they end up 3" off the ground and catch an ankle / foot. They're off.

This was 18"+ off the ground and not a foul in the normal sense of the word - it was a deliberate intent to stop an attack. I appreciate that is not a factor when deciding punishment (unless clear through on goal) but those should get far harsher treatment / condemnation than they get. Cnuts like Cnudy on TS consider "professional" fouls like that to be absolutely the right thing to do when a break is on of course.

What do you think about the whole "professional" foul issue?

[South Coast Royal]

Not a red in my book and a brilliant use of VAR. Sky Sports showing a repeated angle of high foot but angle made it far worse than it actually was. Trippier intent was not to be dangerous or injure an opponent in my opinion. Ref's team called that right in the end.

I'd hazard a guess that 90% of red card fouls do not have an intent to endanger or injure an opponent, but that doesn't seem to make a difference if they end up 3" off the ground and catch an ankle / foot. They're off.

This was 18"+ off the ground and not a foul in the normal sense of the word - it was a deliberate intent to stop an attack. I appreciate that is not a factor when deciding punishment (unless clear through on goal) but those should get far harsher treatment / condemnation than they get. Cnuts like Cnudy on TS consider "professional" fouls like that to be absolutely the right thing to do when a break is on of course.

What do you think about the whole "professional" foul issue?

I'm with you RR on "professional fouls".

Regarding refereeing, this season has seen refs being much more tolerant early on in general but then the cards come out in the second half as they always have done.
Apparently it is all to do with keeping the game moving (this year's edict) and I have noticed more keepers being booked already this season for time wasting.

You don't however get booked this season for pulling a player's hair in your own penalty area but that may just be the little twat Anthony Taylor who is follicly challenged himself and is clearly envious of others.

[Sanguine]

I'm with you RR. I think the laws need tweaking a bit. These 'professional' fouls normally incur a yellow card and I'm broadly fine with that, but I think they should attract somewhat of a 'premium', in other words, if you're going to do it, be wary that anything too aggressive will see it become a red. In that sense, Trippier's would tip the balance and become a sending off (whereas sticking out a toe, or pulling a shirt to stop an attack would not).

[NathStPaul]

Game needed an early United goal. Liverpool have been shocking thus far, haven't even started. Great goalgasm scream from Neville tbf.

[URZZZZ]

10 games running now where Liverpool haven’t scored the first goal in the game, conceding first 9 times and drawing the other 0-0

Not been a good start to the season for them, a midfield three of Henderson, Milner and Elliott just isn’t enough

[NathStPaul]

Banger of a game at St James' Park!

Title race still over

Yep

[URZZZZ]

Banger of a game at St James' Park!

Title race still over

Yep

I’m not sure, you know what Arsenal are like at surrendering leads…

[Sanguine]

10 games running now where Liverpool haven’t scored the first goal in the game, conceding first 9 times and drawing the other 0-0

Not been a good start to the season for them, a midfield three of Henderson, Milner and Elliott just isn’t enough

Elliott has probably been their one positive so far this season, but already clear that he is a midfield 'engine' rather than playmaker. Was really odd to see Milner in an attacking role last night - not sure I understand Klopp's reluctance to start Carvalho in that position, nor his decision to start Henderson over Fabinho. Not sure what has happened to Keita, but as far as I understand he was fit, just not picked.

But yeah, not enough in midfield. Jota out for the forseeable and Nunez misses the next two, it's been a poor start, and they really might be out of it in a month's time.

Van Dijk isn't the player he can be, either. The passive, hands behind the back, defending for Sancho's goal was awful.

[Dirk Gently]

10 games running now where Liverpool haven’t scored the first goal in the game, conceding first 9 times and drawing the other 0-0

Not been a good start to the season for them, a midfield three of Henderson, Milner and Elliott just isn’t enough

Elliott has probably been their one positive so far this season, but already clear that he is a midfield 'engine' rather than playmaker. Was really odd to see Milner in an attacking role last night - not sure I understand Klopp's reluctance to start Carvalho in that position, nor his decision to start Henderson over Fabinho. Not sure what has happened to Keita, but as far as I understand he was fit, just not picked.

But yeah, not enough in midfield. Jota out for the forseeable and Nunez misses the next two, it's been a poor start, and they really might be out of it in a month's time.

Van Dijk isn't the player he can be, either. The passive, hands behind the back, defending for Sancho's goal was awful.

Mane rescued them so many times in the past - he's a big, big loss.

[Sanguine]

Oh, a small aside - Michael Oliver's failure to give Fernandes a second yellow, and so a red card, for time-wasting after the Liverpool goal was a frankly awful bottle-job on the part of the referee. If they can't get the basics right, then we may as well give guessing how and why they make certain decisions.

[Royal Rother]

Oh, a small aside - Michael Oliver's failure to give Fernandes a second yellow, and so a red card, for time-wasting after the Liverpool goal was a frankly awful bottle-job on the part of the referee. If they can't get the basics right, then we may as well give guessing how and why they make certain decisions.

Ok we know what he was doing but actually he picked the ball up and was taking it in the direction of the centre circle so a yellow would have been extremely contentious. I can't stand him but on the face of it I'm not sure it could be said he was doing anything wrong.

[Sanguine]

Oh, a small aside - Michael Oliver's failure to give Fernandes a second yellow, and so a red card, for time-wasting after the Liverpool goal was a frankly awful bottle-job on the part of the referee. If they can't get the basics right, then we may as well give guessing how and why they make certain decisions.

Ok we know what he was doing but actually he picked the ball up and was taking it in the direction of the centre circle so a yellow would have been extremely contentious. I can't stand him but on the face of it I'm not sure it could be said he was doing anything wrong.

That's a very generous interpretation of Fernandes' actions.

Crossover to the 'things you hate about modern football' thread - where something that would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch, or would be a booking if the player doesn't already have a yellow, becomes not a booking because it would result in a penalty/red.

[Whore Jackie]

Not sure what has happened to Keita, but as far as I understand he was fit, just not picked.

Keita picked up an injury on Sunday. So injury-prone and apparently unhappy with the contract extension on offer. One of the few mis-signings in recent years IMO. They could have done with Kalvin Philips or just push the boat out and get Bellingham in this window.

[Royal Rother]

Oh, a small aside - Michael Oliver's failure to give Fernandes a second yellow, and so a red card, for time-wasting after the Liverpool goal was a frankly awful bottle-job on the part of the referee. If they can't get the basics right, then we may as well give guessing how and why they make certain decisions.

Ok we know what he was doing but actually he picked the ball up and was taking it in the direction of the centre circle so a yellow would have been extremely contentious. I can't stand him but on the face of it I'm not sure it could be said he was doing anything wrong.

That's a very generous interpretation of Fernandes' actions.

Crossover to the 'things you hate about modern football' thread - where something that would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch, or would be a booking if the player doesn't already have a yellow, becomes not a booking because it would result in a penalty/red.

It is generous, yes, but just about fair.

If he had been laying on the ball preventing it from getting back to the centre circle then yes, yellow, but as he was actually taking it back (in that general direction) I just don't think he could be cautioned... on balance.

But he's still a sneering scowling arm-waving twat who I'd have enjoyed seeing sent-off.

[Franchise FC]

Ok we know what he was doing but actually he picked the ball up and was taking it in the direction of the centre circle so a yellow would have been extremely contentious. I can't stand him but on the face of it I'm not sure it could be said he was doing anything wrong.

That's a very generous interpretation of Fernandes' actions.

Crossover to the 'things you hate about modern football' thread - where something that would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch, or would be a booking if the player doesn't already have a yellow, becomes not a booking because it would result in a penalty/red.

It is generous, yes, but just about fair.

If he had been laying on the ball preventing it from getting back to the centre circle then yes, yellow, but as he was actually taking it back (in that general direction) I just don't think he could be cautioned... on balance.

But he's still a sneering scowling arm-waving twat who I'd have enjoyed seeing sent-off.

He’s such a diving cheat, which is a real shame as he’s otherwise good to watch