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[kieran]

Always got taken to Fratton Park as a treat. Cheers Dad.

At least you got to sample a good atmosphere

To set the record straight, I like Reading, I live here and I consider them a bit of a second team. But I just cant understand why a lot of Reading fans seem to ahve it in for Pompey. Seeing as we have rarely met throughout history (or certailnly not with any importance)

[havoc]

Cheap reply and with no substance.

welcome to hna

[kieran]

Not always, I think.

I think, always.

BTW, thats why Pompey play in red, white and blue, to represent the union jack

[Thaumagurist*]

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[Messiah]

Agreed, in the 90's Pompeys crowds dropped pretty low. I really dont know why. I think it may have been due to the Fratton end being knocked down. It wasnt until later on in the 90's when they went back up to 18k ish.

I don't remember Portsmouth averaging 18k in the late 90's.

1990–91: 19,681
1991–92: 11,789
1992–93: 13,706
1993–94: 11,692
1994–95: 8,629
1995–96: 9,503
1996–97: 8,723
1997–98: 11,149
1998–99: 11,956
1999–00: 13,906

Nope, no 18k crowds in the late 90's at all.

[Messiah]

Seeing as we have rarely met throughout history (or certailnly not with any importance)

Rarely? Soccerbase says we've played you 42 times. That's not rare.

How old are you?

Christ.

[PieEater]

I've not seen any details but is it possible that the parachute payments will mean they manage to keep their key players, or is a firesale looming?

They were relegated regardless of the points deduction, so I can't see what the down side is to the CVA and it has a massive up side. They will be in much better shape than Hull next season.

[kieran]

Agreed, in the 90's Pompeys crowds dropped pretty low. I really dont know why. I think it may have been due to the Fratton end being knocked down. It wasnt until later on in the 90's when they went back up to 18k ish.

I don't remember Portsmouth averaging 18k in the late 90's.

1990–91: 19,681
1991–92: 11,789
1992–93: 13,706
1993–94: 11,692
1994–95: 8,629
1995–96: 9,503
1996–97: 8,723
1997–98: 11,149
1998–99: 11,956
1999–00: 13,906

Nope, no 18k crowds in the late 90's at all.

That looks reasonable from memory. There was a return of bigger crowds at the end of the decade. This continued, I beleive, right the way thru the 00's.

I am always staggered but the amount of Pompey fans that do not go to games, yet when we win the Cup 200,000 turn up on the common. I suppose it doesnt help when the club renage on debts to the local community all the time.

[kieran]

Seeing as we have rarely met throughout history (or certailnly not with any importance)

Rarely? Soccerbase says we've played you 42 times. That's not rare.

How old are you?

Christ.

42, ironically.

42 times in 110 years is pretty low.

How many times have we met with Chelsea, Norwich, Leicester, Crstal Palace I wonder.

[kieran]

I've not seen any details but is it possible that the parachute payments will mean they manage to keep their key players, or is a firesale looming?

They were relegated regardless of the points deduction, so I can't see what the down side is to the CVA and it has a massive up side. They will be in much better shape than Hull next season.

If what I am hearing is correct, it all depends on the new buyer. If we get them in then we maybe able to keep (with the exception of Belhadj, Boateng) most of them and think we have the like of Harwewood, Danny Rose etc lined up. No new owner and it could be a little tighter.

We were far superior to Hull last season anyway (on paper). They are poor, I would imagine both Pompey and REading will finish above them

[Row Z Royal]

Pompey is a poor city.

With a club to match, most sensible thing you've said on this thread

Cheap reply.

That seems appropriate.

[kieran]

That seems appropriate.

No, keep up. We have a CVA now. Now we can spend, spend, spend again.

[Hoop Blah]

Roughly 1 in 2 seasons over the late 70/80/90s seems pretty regular to me, and not a lot of difference in the crowds over those seasons we played either.

Pompey just always seem to think they're something more than they are.

....pretty sure you'll find it's 12 seasons outside the top 2 Divisions as well by the way!

[Barry the bird boggler]

Its not 110 years its about 85, soccerbase won't take any note of any southern league games played. So since we joing the FL in 1920 there's been a game with Pompey on average every other season - Reading lose most of them by the way.

[exileinleeds]

That seems appropriate.

No, keep up. We have a CVA now. Now we can spend, spend, spend again.

It still has to be ratified in court- and HMRC will almost certainly challange the £24m debt to them. It is perfectly lawful for them to impose penalties of 100%- if this penalty was not taken into account for the debts, then it is still hopeful that the judge will throw out the agreement.

It takes a certain mentality I suppose to continue to support a club who steals your money.

Anyone know when Mandaric and 'arry are back in court for tax evasion?

[kieran]

Its not 110 years its about 85, soccerbase won't take any note of any southern league games played. So since we joing the FL in 1920 there's been a game with Pompey on average every other season - Reading lose most of them by the way.

Lets stop arguing about and just look at the facts.

Reading have been in the same div as Pompey on 14 Seasons since 1968 approx 30% of the time. This is Pompey's worse period in History (aprt from the last 8 years), before this it was nearly always Pompey higher and the attendance's are really not worth your while comparing.

Pompey have been in a higher league for all bar one of the remaing season not covered by the above 33%.

Attendances. Reading have beaten Pompeys average on 5 occasions, 4 of which were when Fratton Park was full to its capacity as was the Mad. There was a four year period in the 90's when Pompeys attendance fell and we were in the same league. During that four year period our attendance were close, with Reading have a higher attendance for one of those years. These figure represent attendance's at the lower end for Pompey and the upper/mid range for Reading. It may well be this period that is distorting your view of the comparison between the 2 clubs.

Seeing as you insist on comparing our worst period with your best and then proclaiming that we are similar size I will humour you all. To summarise its clear, its not Pompey fans who seem to distort the past.

Pompey Reading
Year Div Att Div Att Higher Div Higher Att Att Diff
2010 1 18249 2 17408 Pompey Pompey 841
2009 1 19830 2 19936 Pompey Reading -106
2008 1 19914 1 23585 Same Reading -3671
2007 1 19682 1 23829 Same Reading -4147
2006 1 19840 2 20207 Pompey Reading -367
2005 1 20072 2 17169 Pompey Pompey 2903
2004 1 20108 2 15095 Pompey Pompey 5013
2003 2 18906 2 16011 Same Pompey 2895
2002 2 15122 3 14115 Pompey Pompey 1007
2001 2 13533 3 12647 Pompey Pompey 886
2000 2 13908 3 8958 Pompey Pompey 4950
1999 2 11956 3 11262 Pompey Pompey 694
1998 2 11149 2 9676 Same Pompey 1473
1997 2 8854 2 9165 Same Reading -311
1996 2 9407 2 8917 Same Pompey 490
1995 2 8269 2 9350 Same Reading -1081
1994 2 11662 3 6951 Pompey Pompey 4711
1993 2 13695 3 4781 Pompey Pompey 8914
1992 2 11745 3 3858 Pompey Pompey 7887
1991 2 11745 3 4073 Pompey Pompey 7672
1990 2 8861 3 4076 Pompey Pompey 4785
1989 2 10215 3 5106 Pompey Pompey 5109
1988 1 17923 2 6945 Pompey Pompey 10978
1987 2 13404 2 6883 Same Pompey 6521
1986 2 13614 2 6893 Same Pompey 6721
1985 2 15185 3 3689 Pompey Pompey 11496
1984 2 13196 4 4471 Pompey Pompey 8725
1983 3 14905 3 3459 Same Pompey 11446
1982 3 14094 3 4018 Same Pompey 10076
1981 3 13514 3 5439 Same Pompey 8075
1980 4 15850 3 6843 Reading Pompey 9007
1979 4 10123 4 7616 Same Pompey 2507
1978 3 9678 4 4567 Pompey Pompey 5111
1977 3 11564 3 6761 Same Pompey 4803
1976 2 10472 4 7693 Pompey Pompey 2779
1975 2 12474 4 5386 Pompey Pompey 7088
1974 2 13765 4 6477 Pompey Pompey 7288
1973 2 9477 4 5321 Pompey Pompey 4156
1972 2 11918 4 5531 Pompey Pompey 6387
1971 2 13759 3 6889 Pompey Pompey 6870
1970 2 14928 3 9885 Pompey Pompey 5043
1969 2 19163 3 6552 Pompey Pompey 12611
1968 2 22988 3 8127 Pompey Pompey 14861

[wolsey]

It still has to be ratified in court- and HMRC will almost certainly challange the £24m debt to them. It is perfectly lawful for them to impose penalties of 100%- if this penalty was not taken into account for the debts, then it is still hopeful that the judge will throw out the agreement.

It takes a certain mentality I suppose to continue to support a club who steals your money.

Exactly.

Question to Portsmouth poster: Why has there been no move from the "fantastic" (sic) fanbase to reclaim the Club (a la Wimbledon and FC United) from the cheats, charlatans and crooks that have been in charge in recent years?

Or is status more important than credibility?

[kieran]

That seems appropriate.

No, keep up. We have a CVA now. Now we can spend, spend, spend again.

It still has to be ratified in court- and HMRC will almost certainly challange the £24m debt to them. It is perfectly lawful for them to impose penalties of 100%- if this penalty was not taken into account for the debts, then it is still hopeful that the judge will throw out the agreement.

It takes a certain mentality I suppose to continue to support a club who steals your money.

Anyone know when Mandaric and 'arry are back in court for tax evasion?

Its not the club that's stolen it though. Its Mandaric, Storrie, Gaydamak. They are not the club. The fans are the club.

Jeez you should know that.

I really, really hope HMRC go after these individuals and get our tax payers money back.

[kieran]

It still has to be ratified in court- and HMRC will almost certainly challange the £24m debt to them. It is perfectly lawful for them to impose penalties of 100%- if this penalty was not taken into account for the debts, then it is still hopeful that the judge will throw out the agreement.

It takes a certain mentality I suppose to continue to support a club who steals your money.

Exactly.

Question to Portsmouth poster: Why has there been no move from the "fantastic" (sic) fanbase to reclaim the Club (a la Wimbledon and FC United) from the cheats, charlatans and crooks that have been in charge in recent years?

Or is status more important than credibility?

So, some crooks take over Reading, steel, cheat and drag your name through the mud and what do you do? Run off and go and get another club and refuse to support the communities club even though the aforementioned have no affinity to said club?

Therein lies the difference between our two levels of support.