The Enfield Royal71 Tbf he sounds like an uttet helmet
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fi ... extinction
"....but as his ownership began mid-season, he didn't have to pass the ‘fit and proper person’ test..."
by Sutekh » 17 Aug 2019 07:48
The Enfield Royal71 Tbf he sounds like an uttet helmet
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fi ... extinction
by Sutekh » 17 Aug 2019 07:50
DeadlockStrandedSanguine On that point around the final fixtures, I wonder if the league would reschedule to ensure all teams played on the last day?
Not sure how you can ensure 23 teams all play at the same time?
You could always hope Bolton fold as well.
by Hendo » 17 Aug 2019 08:52
by Sutekh » 17 Aug 2019 13:18
Hendo Well they’re due to play Fleetwood on the last day of the season, who finished 11th last year. Maybe the football league will just hope/risk that the final game will have nothing riding on it.
by Deadlock » 17 Aug 2019 15:50
SutekhDeadlockStranded
Not sure how you can ensure 23 teams all play at the same time?
You could always hope Bolton fold as well.
or Coventry - or perhaps both
by Mid Sussex Royal » 17 Aug 2019 19:13
SutekhHendo Well they’re due to play Fleetwood on the last day of the season, who finished 11th last year. Maybe the football league will just hope/risk that the final game will have nothing riding on it.
Remember back in the day when it was fairly common for some clubs to finish their season while others around them still had games to play. Not to mention the FL’s decision back in 1987 to deliberately play the 2nd division with an odd number of clubs (remember Reading not playing on the opening day and starting their season at Leeds a week later).
by Who Moved The Goalposts? » 19 Aug 2019 16:51
by Victor Meldrew » 19 Aug 2019 16:59
Who Moved The Goalposts? Bolton's game against Doncaster called off because of fears the youth players are being pushed too hard. It's looking grim for them.
by WestYorksRoyal » 19 Aug 2019 17:23
by The Enfield Royal71 » 19 Aug 2019 18:25
by Snowflake Royal » 19 Aug 2019 18:38
WestYorksRoyal BBC News - Bury FC: Part of our family for four generations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49372359
This is a very sad article; shows the role of football clubs in communities and how in some relationships it's more than a game. Relegations are sad but ultimately a setback clubs can recover from, but surely with all the money in the game we can create safeguards to stop clubs going out of existence?
How about:
- x% of league TV revenue goes into central fund. X calculated by clever experts
- if clubs are unable to pay staff, police etc. they can access funds to restructure and rebuild
- Strict penalties for clubs who need it I.e. after season concludes, move down a division. So move down 2 divisions if also relegated
- If nobody needs to use funds, excess amounts distributed back across the League.
So in this context, Bury and Bolton would be fighting to compete in League 2 next year, as opposed to being non-league. As it's an intra-club arrangement, it would take effect ahead of insolvency law and administration, so no points deductions.
Is it that hard? Harsh penalties would be needed otherwise it gives clubs a safety net. But ultimately, it would keep clubs alive and allow them to bounce back from hard times.
Maybe if you wanted to add a level, governing bodies could appoint administrators to get clubs in order as a condition of accessing funds and suspend directors who get clubs into the mess.
by Stranded » 19 Aug 2019 19:39
WestYorksRoyal BBC News - Bury FC: Part of our family for four generations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49372359
This is a very sad article; shows the role of football clubs in communities and how in some relationships it's more than a game. Relegations are sad but ultimately a setback clubs can recover from, but surely with all the money in the game we can create safeguards to stop clubs going out of existence?
How about:
- x% of league TV revenue goes into central fund. X calculated by clever experts
- if clubs are unable to pay staff, police etc. they can access funds to restructure and rebuild
- Strict penalties for clubs who need it I.e. after season concludes, move down a division. So move down 2 divisions if also relegated
- If nobody needs to use funds, excess amounts distributed back across the League.
So in this context, Bury and Bolton would be fighting to compete in League 2 next year, as opposed to being non-league. As it's an intra-club arrangement, it would take effect ahead of insolvency law and administration, so no points deductions.
Is it that hard? Harsh penalties would be needed otherwise it gives clubs a safety net. But ultimately, it would keep clubs alive and allow them to bounce back from hard times.
Maybe if you wanted to add a level, governing bodies could appoint administrators to get clubs in order as a condition of accessing funds and suspend directors who get clubs into the mess.
by stealthpapes » 19 Aug 2019 19:57
Snowflake RoyalWestYorksRoyal BBC News - Bury FC: Part of our family for four generations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49372359
This is a very sad article; shows the role of football clubs in communities and how in some relationships it's more than a game. Relegations are sad but ultimately a setback clubs can recover from, but surely with all the money in the game we can create safeguards to stop clubs going out of existence?
How about:
- x% of league TV revenue goes into central fund. X calculated by clever experts
- if clubs are unable to pay staff, police etc. they can access funds to restructure and rebuild
- Strict penalties for clubs who need it I.e. after season concludes, move down a division. So move down 2 divisions if also relegated
- If nobody needs to use funds, excess amounts distributed back across the League.
So in this context, Bury and Bolton would be fighting to compete in League 2 next year, as opposed to being non-league. As it's an intra-club arrangement, it would take effect ahead of insolvency law and administration, so no points deductions.
Is it that hard? Harsh penalties would be needed otherwise it gives clubs a safety net. But ultimately, it would keep clubs alive and allow them to bounce back from hard times.
Maybe if you wanted to add a level, governing bodies could appoint administrators to get clubs in order as a condition of accessing funds and suspend directors who get clubs into the mess.
1) All transfers have to go through an independent body, and payments are made via this third party - cuts out a lot of dodgy agent action and shenanigans.
2) All player wages are paid via a similar group, maybe the PFA
3) All wage budgets are capped at 85% of predicted income and total transfer spending is also capped in relation to income
4) PFA / Regulator / FL takes a small cut of each wage, plus a small annual league membership payment from clubs. This forms an emergency fund where things go wrong.
5) TV revenue is shared far more equally across the league structure, and to the various governing bodies to help reduce the gap between each league and therefore the financial pain of getting relegated and the need to spend massive amounts on promotion. The PL doesn't function nearly as well without the FL as with it.
6) When a club gets into financial trouble, the more equal sharing of TV revenue and the player and club surcharges allows the governing bodies to have built up a reservoir of cash to take on ownership of clubs in concert with fan ownership initiatives and then run the club sustainably in future with greater fan engagement
7) regular audits to check that clubs aren't building up debtors like Police, local suppliers, St John's Ambulance etc. Debt should be to recognised lenders like banks, shareholders etc.
by Snowflake Royal » 19 Aug 2019 21:45
stealthpapesSnowflake RoyalWestYorksRoyal BBC News - Bury FC: Part of our family for four generations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49372359
This is a very sad article; shows the role of football clubs in communities and how in some relationships it's more than a game. Relegations are sad but ultimately a setback clubs can recover from, but surely with all the money in the game we can create safeguards to stop clubs going out of existence?
How about:
- x% of league TV revenue goes into central fund. X calculated by clever experts
- if clubs are unable to pay staff, police etc. they can access funds to restructure and rebuild
- Strict penalties for clubs who need it I.e. after season concludes, move down a division. So move down 2 divisions if also relegated
- If nobody needs to use funds, excess amounts distributed back across the League.
So in this context, Bury and Bolton would be fighting to compete in League 2 next year, as opposed to being non-league. As it's an intra-club arrangement, it would take effect ahead of insolvency law and administration, so no points deductions.
Is it that hard? Harsh penalties would be needed otherwise it gives clubs a safety net. But ultimately, it would keep clubs alive and allow them to bounce back from hard times.
Maybe if you wanted to add a level, governing bodies could appoint administrators to get clubs in order as a condition of accessing funds and suspend directors who get clubs into the mess.
1) All transfers have to go through an independent body, and payments are made via this third party - cuts out a lot of dodgy agent action and shenanigans.
2) All player wages are paid via a similar group, maybe the PFA
3) All wage budgets are capped at 85% of predicted income and total transfer spending is also capped in relation to income
4) PFA / Regulator / FL takes a small cut of each wage, plus a small annual league membership payment from clubs. This forms an emergency fund where things go wrong.
5) TV revenue is shared far more equally across the league structure, and to the various governing bodies to help reduce the gap between each league and therefore the financial pain of getting relegated and the need to spend massive amounts on promotion. The PL doesn't function nearly as well without the FL as with it.
6) When a club gets into financial trouble, the more equal sharing of TV revenue and the player and club surcharges allows the governing bodies to have built up a reservoir of cash to take on ownership of clubs in concert with fan ownership initiatives and then run the club sustainably in future with greater fan engagement
7) regular audits to check that clubs aren't building up debtors like Police, local suppliers, St John's Ambulance etc. Debt should be to recognised lenders like banks, shareholders etc.
by Uke » 20 Aug 2019 20:46
by The Enfield Royal71 » 20 Aug 2019 20:48
by From Despair To Where? » 21 Aug 2019 06:16
by Sutekh » 21 Aug 2019 07:28
From Despair To Where? Aldershot in 92 would be the last time it happened on the league. But that was two thirds of the way through the season.
I seem to remember Newport County finishing a season using youth players to fulfil fixtures before folding but I've never seen a club starting the season with half a first team or being unable to fulfil fixtures from the start of the season.
I can't see either club surviving. The bloke at Bury is clearly manufacturing this situation and the time for a white knight to ride into Bolton was 5 years ago.
by The Enfield Royal71 » 21 Aug 2019 07:51
SutekhFrom Despair To Where? Aldershot in 92 would be the last time it happened on the league. But that was two thirds of the way through the season.
I seem to remember Newport County finishing a season using youth players to fulfil fixtures before folding but I've never seen a club starting the season with half a first team or being unable to fulfil fixtures from the start of the season.
I can't see either club surviving. The bloke at Bury is clearly manufacturing this situation and the time for a white knight to ride into Bolton was 5 years ago.
Think 92 also saw Maidstone go under just before the season started. Reading got a bye in the league cup as a result.
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