Luis Suarez - scumbag

[creative_username_1]

there's a site somewhere dedicated to suarez cheating gif's not sure of the url

[Who Moved The Goalposts?]

I don’t think diving is an equivalent crime to trying to break someone’s legs, which amounts to a three or four game ban.

The threat of a one-game suspension would stop players going down so easily.

Maybe not, but that doesn't mean that the current punishment levels for trying to break someone's legs is at the right level. The football authorities are all far too soft on the players, and trying to cheat fellow professionals is, to me at least, trying to influence the outcome of a game using methods not permitted in the rules. Cheating is cheating, no matter how you dress it up, and it brings the whole game into disrepute.

[Hoop Blah]

Isn't any foul cheating too? How many players are you going to need in your squad if you're going to hand out multiple game suspensions for 'cheating'?

I've not seen the Bale dive as yet, but the Suarez one is appaling and he really should be embarrassed by it.

The only sympathy I have with Suarez and others is that in the heat of the moment you do do some stupid things and when you consider the fouls he's not had penalties for over the last few weeks you can't blame him for thinking he has to do something extra to get a decision*.

* I do accept that the reason he might not have got those decisions was because of his previous behaviour of course. It seems it's had the opposite effect than you'd hope and instead of him cutting out the diving (as Drogba did for a while) he's decided he needs to do more!

[cmonurz]

I've not seen the Bale dive as yet

It's on page 29 of this thread, fyi.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

Isn't any foul cheating too? How many players are you going to need in your squad if you're going to hand out multiple game suspensions for 'cheating'?

No - or at least not deliberate cheating.

A foul can be given for mistiming a tackle or being negligent - so intent doesn't matter. But (for me, at least) "cheating" involves a *deliberate* attempt to gain an unfair advantage.

But in any case there's an attitude that committing fouls (or dives) are all part of the game - "taking a card for the team" isn't seen as cheating, it's seen as playing the rules to your advantage - in that the punishment for the offence is not as bad as the outcome of not committing that offence.

[Hoop Blah]

I know what you're saying, but diving is, IMO, usually a largely sub-concious action and so just like mistiming a tackle is something that's done 100% intentionally.

I can't for the life of me imagine that Suarez intentionally thought I've got to jump in the air here and myself look a twat on the off chance the ref's going to fall for it. It's a reaction thing I'm sure.

Totally agree that contravening the rules is 'part of the game' though. Unfortunately making the most of minimal contact is just the same really. In my book it is all cheating.

I think I'm in favour of retrospective punishment of serial diving offenders though, just not quite as severe as suggested above.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

Agree about retrospective punishment, but again we're back to the question of how effective is the replay.

Looking at he Bale one above, if he said "I thought the keeper was going to flatten me so I jumped out of his way" you're in a tricky situation. He looks like he dived - but can you be sure?

[Hoop Blah]

Again I agree!

Video's aren't the best in many situations and at different angles and different speeds things can appear quite different to being up close and personal so it is a dangerous game bringing something like a review panel in.

I do think football needs to do something to address the extreme cases like Suarez's and apparently Bales (I can't see the clip on here for some reason but I'm sure I'll catch it somewhere this week).

[No Fixed Abode]

Agree about retrospective punishment, but again we're back to the question of how effective is the replay.

Looking at he Bale one above, if he said "I thought the keeper was going to flatten me so I jumped out of his way" you're in a tricky situation. He looks like he dived - but can you be sure?

Agreed. Also, as i understand it, if the intent is there from the tackling player but there is NO contact then it's a foul. I remember the referee coming out and saying that when Gerrard dived against Sheff Utd away once. Gerrard dived over the player, so the ref said the intent was there from the Sheff Utd player, so he had to give then penalty which makes things even more complicated.

[Mike Hunt]

That Suarez one is 10 times worse than Bale's. as AL said above, if he said I was scared Guzan was going to flatten me, and I am clearly made of glass, you could not really argue. Suarez's dive was disgusting.

[Ian Royal]

That Suarez one is 10 times worse than Bale's. as AL said above, if he said I was scared Guzan was going to flatten me, and I am clearly made of glass, you could not really argue. Suarez's dive was disgusting.

I'm not sure I'd go to 10 times worse. It's the fact that he lies on the ground appealing for a decision still that makes me laugh.

At least Bale realises he's been sold a dummy, and been made to look like one, so keeps quiet.

[6ft Kerplunk]

So everytime someone goes to tackle Bale he can dive to the ground and say its because he thought the tackler was about to kick him? He's taken a massive dive because he first touch is rubbish, its blatant cheating and not the first time he's done it. If he'd been properly foreign not Welsh he'd have a really bad reputation like Suarez does.

[Ian Royal]

So everytime someone goes to tackle Bale he can dive to the ground and say its because he thought the tackler was about to kick him? He's taken a massive dive because he first touch is rubbish, its blatant cheating and not the first time he's done it. If he'd been properly foreign not Welsh he'd have a really bad reputation like Suarez does.

It does look a little like he's trying to avoid getting absolutely twated by Guzon. And he doesn't appeal. If he appeals, it's a nailed on yellow. Otherwise he gets the benefit of the doubt.

Suarez probably avoided a yellow because he looks like he genuinely stumbles. It's the comedy bounce to the ground that's so hilariously bad the ref was probably too busy laughing to be bothered to call him over when play eventually stopped to book him.

[RoyalJames101]

Did Bale actually appeal? Looked like he just avoided contact but haven't seen if he did appeal or not so can't really comment.

But, anyway..

[Super_horns]

Rodgers complaining about Suarez getting too much coverage over his diving...then does a rant about it to the papers!



Both the stamp on him and the dive by hin deserved to be punished...

[Alexander Litvinenko]

Rodgers complaining about Suarez getting too much coverage over his diving...then does a rant about it to the papers!



Both the stamp on him and the dive by hin deserved to be punished...

Of course, but Rodgers has a track-record of supporting his players in the face of media criticism.

[cmonurz]

Rodgers complaining about Suarez getting too much coverage over his diving...then does a rant about it to the papers!



Both the stamp on him and the dive by hin deserved to be punished...

Of course, but most managers have a track-record of supporting their players in the face of media criticism.

Corrected for you.

[No Fixed Abode]

Silly thing is, managers should keep quiet about it. By Rodgers defending him, it's only bringing it more into the spotlight.

[wolsey]

Silly thing is, managers should keep quiet about it. By Rodgers defending him, it's only bringing it more into the spotlight.

Which probably why Chelsea have gone silent on Cole and Terry. (Plus they want to try and get rid of them asap)

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