Rumour- Manset to Chesterfied.

[Snowball]

I know these are at different levels, but here's career minutes played per goal


168 Le Fondre
213 Manset
218 Shane Long
239 Hunt
285 Church
364 HRK
385 Antonio
450 Kebe
779 McAnuff

Doesn't play for us anymore m8.

Oh, I didn't know that!!! Put in there as a recent "top player" to show where top players lie on such tables.

[roadrunner]

My problem with Manset has always been his fitness. Whilst I would like to see him be a success here,after a year of our staff working on him, I can't see this improving much more.

I think fitness is the key to this boy being a success or a failure at this level. Hereford said before we bought him that they were never able to get him fit, let alone keep him fit, and we seem to have the same problem. Perhaps patience is running out.

[Snowball]

966 Minutes for RFC and 5 Goals, a goal every 194 Minutes, which is EXCELLENT
considering he's raw, just 22 and has stepped up a class or two.

This season he's played 536 minutes for 3 goals,
better than a goal every 180 minutes

None of which changes the fact that the manager doesn't rate him above the other options in the squad and he's only started him in 4 games.
Now he might improve enough to really push for a starting place but personally I can't see that at the moment.

I doubt he's costing us too much to keep around as 4th choice but I'd just rather we don't keep a player around if it might be blocking others from progressing or is getting in a better long term option.

You could have said (for four seasons or five) the same about Shane Long

Some players take time. All of Manset's goals have suggested he could be a VG player
and really, for me, the only worry is "fitness". If he does leave on a permanent transfer
it would not surprise me to see him come into his own next season or maybe the one after
and be a bit special.

[Snowball]

To date all/most off Maset's goals have been "big ones" for RFC


He scored what ought to have been the winner away to Cardiff last season.

Scored the only goal at Barnsley

Got both this season to get us a draw v Millwall

Got the winner at Bristol in what was probably a turn-round game


For just five goals that is a BIG points contribution.

[Hoop Blah]

That's true to a point Snowball. The only real differece is that Manset is at a similar stage of his development to Church and le Fondre whereas Long was miles behind Kitson, Doyle and Lita for those first few years. As I said above, he's also been overlooked at a time when we were crying out for something different to work in the final third.

He may well come good, and I think the club will stick with him for the rest of his contract at least, possibly rightly so. Personally I think he probably has some fundemental weaknesses that will stop him being a consistent Championship forward which is what I want from all 4 of our options upfront.

[Hoop Blah]

To date all/most off Maset's goals have been "big ones" for RFC


He scored what ought to have been the winner away to Cardiff last season.

Scored the only goal at Barnsley

Got both this season to get us a draw v Millwall

Got the winner at Bristol in what was probably a turn-round game


For just five goals that is a BIG points contribution.

Not too surprising considering the majority of his appearances have been as a sub when we're chasing goals to win games or rescue a point. During his time we've not scored a great number of goals and haven't exactly hammered teams. Therefore I'd expect his goals to be pretty 'big ones'.

[rhroyal]

Loan spell would be excellent for him. Give him until the end of the season in League 1/2 so that he gets match fitness, and then we won't be overstaffed when Gylfi returns on loan!

[Elm Park Old Boy]

I know it's a recurring fault on Hobnob (Long was rubbish, Kebe would never be a footballer, etc etc) but it seems far too early to write Manset off. He has got some obvious strengths to his game. Sure he does not yet seem able to make a consistent impression at this level (partly fitness related it seems, which is a bit of a worry after this long), but he is still young and raw and well worth persevering with, in my view.

I agree a loan, where he'll get consistent game time, looks a good bet.

[Snowball]

To date all/most off Maset's goals have been "big ones" for RFC


He scored what ought to have been the winner away to Cardiff last season.

Scored the only goal at Barnsley

Got both this season to get us a draw v Millwall

Got the winner at Bristol in what was probably a turn-round game


For just five goals that is a BIG points contribution.

Not too surprising considering the majority of his appearances have been as a sub when we're chasing goals to win games or rescue a point. During his time we've not scored a great number of goals and haven't exactly hammered teams. Therefore I'd expect his goals to be pretty 'big ones'.

And THAT was said about Shane Long, too!

Point with Manset is it's not like Lita getting the fourth goal of a 4-0
they are important goals when before he came on we were NOT doing well

[Hoop Blah]

What was said of Long was that his goals came during the most prolific periods of games. It's a fact that's been proven time and time again. That he went on to have a prolific 6 months (not quite so prolific when you discount the penalties of course) doesn't make that fact any less correct.

The point here (and perhaps the subtlety is too much?) is that Mansets goals are 'big goals' because of the situation during games that he's typcially played. If he'd be playing for us at times when we're 2-0 up and looking comfortable instead of during a stuttering start to the season (and a tight run-in last season) then his ratio of 'big goals' would be less.

That's not to belittle his contribution, just point out the context of your stat.

[moo]

Long's minutes were Premiership and Championship.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Loan spell would be excellent for him. Give him until the end of the season in League 1/2 so that he gets match fitness, and then we won't be overstaffed when Gylfi returns on loan!

Wasn't fit at that level before why should it make him fit now?

Perhaps the fella just hasnt quite got it to be at this level, but can excel at lower levels, good luck to him either way.

[Ian Royal]

Loan spell would be excellent for him. Give him until the end of the season in League 1/2 so that he gets match fitness, and then we won't be overstaffed when Gylfi returns on loan!

Wasn't fit at that level before why should it make him fit now?

Perhaps the fella just hasnt quite got it to be at this level, but can excel at lower levels, good luck to him either way.

We're well known as a very fit side and our fitness training seems pretty shit hot (though perhaps not as good as it was a while back), so he should have a better base fitness now than previously. Which I think we saw earlier this season. Match fitness is slightly different though, so if he could keep up the level of fitness training we have here and get regular first team football, prefereably at League One level, then it may be the tipping point to getting him ready to start regularly for us.

It's a possibility, though I'd still rather have him here tbh.

[Hoop Blah]

The only thing we saw earlier in the season was a less bulky Manset, he still looked like he was struggling after any decent length of time on the pitch.

[Ian Royal]

The only thing we saw earlier in the season was a less bulky Manset, he still looked like he was struggling after any decent length of time on the pitch.

Looked fitter to me. Not saying he looked like he'd last 90 minutes, but still fitter.

[Hoop Blah]

He looked a different shape yeah, but he didn't look anymore capable of hacking the pace of professional football to me.

He was blowing out of his arse whenever he played from where I was sat. That may well be his natural gait but his impact on the game seems to diminish at the same time so I'd guess it's more than that (especially when coupled with the comments about his fitness when he signed).

[Snowball]

Long's minutes were Premiership and Championship.

and FA Cup and League Cup

[RoyalJames101]

:roll:

really?


still think in the context of looking at manset, our best championship striker in years is a good bench mark whether hes still here or not

True, although they are completely different players I think so its a little harsh comparing them too. Maybe Manset and Savage would be a better comparison?

[Drew_3]

He looked a different shape yeah, but he didn't look anymore capable of hacking the pace of professional football to me.

He was blowing out of his arse whenever he played from where I was sat. That may well be his natural gait but his impact on the game seems to diminish at the same time so I'd guess it's more than that (especially when coupled with the comments about his fitness when he signed).

Was going to be my exact words. Within five mins of being on the pitch, after one meaningful run he would appear to be done in.

[Snowball]

He does SEEM to have a fitness prob. Maybe he can still lose some bulk
but if he's still really "not fit" that sounds more like a physiological inability
to gain top-level fitness, eg not enough red-blood cells or summat.

Great shot on him, though, good feet. Maybe we would just need to
not play him where he's expected to run like hell