Do you think we tried our best to win against Charlton?

[Schards#2]

Those five player that came into the side are ALL current internationals - four full internationals and one U21.

Does that really constitute weakening your side?

Are you seriously suggesting that Long is better than Doyle and Kitson?

On current performances there isn't much to choose between them. When was the last good performance from Doyle or Kitson (and I mean in an attacking sense)?

Also it is a bit harsh asking Long to be better than two players.

Every performance by Doyle and Kitson this season has been better than every performance by Long.

When strikers aren't scoring those waiting on the bench deserve their chance. Call it rotation, freshening up the team, or whatever else you like - it's what having a squad of players is for.

Doyle - 2 goals in his last 13 appearances.
Kitson - 1 goal in his last 10 appearances.

Generally after about 70 minutes.

[Royal Lady]

I'm surprised at the results so far to be fair. The "Yes" answer had a "they couldn't have done any more" attached to it, which indicates to me that 19 people so far don't agree we should have made any subs.

[Wycombe Royal]

Those five player that came into the side are ALL current internationals - four full internationals and one U21.

Does that really constitute weakening your side?

Are you seriously suggesting that Long is better than Doyle and Kitson?

On current performances there isn't much to choose between them. When was the last good performance from Doyle or Kitson (and I mean in an attacking sense)?

Also it is a bit harsh asking Long to be better than two players.

Every performance by Doyle and Kitson this season has been better than every performance by Long.

When strikers aren't scoring those waiting on the bench deserve their chance. Call it rotation, freshening up the team, or whatever else you like - it's what having a squad of players is for.

Doyle - 2 goals in his last 13 appearances.
Kitson - 1 goal in his last 10 appearances.

Generally after about 70 minutes.

So you should continue to start strikers who aren't scoring when you have others performing well in training and reserves who deserve there chance to have a go.

How many games would you leave it for then? 10 games without a goal, 20 games, 30 games?

Shane Long has 3 goals in his last 8 appearances, Lita has 6 in his last 11. Now compare that to the 2 STAR strikers.

[LUX]

I watched on telly and there was 100% effort and commitment from those on the pitch. It was also a good game (for a nil nil). But Coppell definitely did not pick his strongest side available and surely he should have used at least one of Doyle/ Kitson for the last half hour. Seoul actually played well, I thought, but he was clearly knackered after 70 minutes.


Gunnarsson (was he a sub?) and Doyle/Kitson on for Long and Seoul for the last 30 minutes would have been the competitive option.

[Schards#2]

Those five player that came into the side are ALL current internationals - four full internationals and one U21.

Does that really constitute weakening your side?

Are you seriously suggesting that Long is better than Doyle and Kitson?

On current performances there isn't much to choose between them. When was the last good performance from Doyle or Kitson (and I mean in an attacking sense)?

Also it is a bit harsh asking Long to be better than two players.

Every performance by Doyle and Kitson this season has been better than every performance by Long.

When strikers aren't scoring those waiting on the bench deserve their chance. Call it rotation, freshening up the team, or whatever else you like - it's what having a squad of players is for.

Doyle - 2 goals in his last 13 appearances.
Kitson - 1 goal in his last 10 appearances.

Generally after about 70 minutes.

So you should continue to start strikers who aren't scoring when you have others performing well in training and reserves who deserve there chance to have a go.

How many games would you leave it for then? 10 games without a goal, 20 games, 30 games?

Shane Long has 3 goals in his last 8 appearances, Lita has 6 in his last 11. Now compare that to the 2 STAR strikers.

So are you saying we fielded a weakened side against Liverpool?

[Wycombe Royal]

Those five player that came into the side are ALL current internationals - four full internationals and one U21.

Does that really constitute weakening your side?

Are you seriously suggesting that Long is better than Doyle and Kitson?

On current performances there isn't much to choose between them. When was the last good performance from Doyle or Kitson (and I mean in an attacking sense)?

Also it is a bit harsh asking Long to be better than two players.

Every performance by Doyle and Kitson this season has been better than every performance by Long.

When strikers aren't scoring those waiting on the bench deserve their chance. Call it rotation, freshening up the team, or whatever else you like - it's what having a squad of players is for.

Doyle - 2 goals in his last 13 appearances.
Kitson - 1 goal in his last 10 appearances.

Generally after about 70 minutes.

So you should continue to start strikers who aren't scoring when you have others performing well in training and reserves who deserve there chance to have a go.

How many games would you leave it for then? 10 games without a goal, 20 games, 30 games?

Shane Long has 3 goals in his last 8 appearances, Lita has 6 in his last 11. Now compare that to the 2 STAR strikers.

So are you saying we fielded a weakened side against Liverpool?

No. When you have a squad of players you don't necessarily have a "strongest XI". When on form Doyle and Kitson both would start, but there comes a point when players need to be dropped and others given a chance. Or do you think out of form players should start matches regardless of the form they are in?

[LUX]

The only player who had a bad game was Bikey. I love the guy but, especially in the first half, he nearly let them in on a number of occasions. Far too casual.

But he was doing his best ( )

[southbank1871]

I'm surprised at the results so far to be fair. The "Yes" answer had a "they couldn't have done any more" attached to it, which indicates to me that 19 people so far don't agree we should have made any subs.

I personally think we should have made a couple of subs, but Coppell obviously didn't and this has no relevance to whether or not we did everything we could have to win the game. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Had Long popped up with an 89th minute winner, everybody would have been lauding Coppell's decision.

Do you genuinely believe that Coppell did not bring on Kitson or Doyle as he didn't want to win the game?

[Stranded]

The only player who had a bad game was Bikey. I love the guy but, especially in the first half, he nearly let them in on a number of occasions. Far too casual.

But he was doing his best ( )

Star Man and a 9/10 rating in The Sun today. Must say that surprised me a tad but there you go.

[Royal Lady]

I'm surprised at the results so far to be fair. The "Yes" answer had a "they couldn't have done any more" attached to it, which indicates to me that 19 people so far don't agree we should have made any subs.

I personally think we should have made a couple of subs, but Coppell obviously didn't and this has no relevance to whether or not we did everything we could have to win the game. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Had Long popped up with an 89th minute winner, everybody would have been lauding Coppell's decision.

Do you genuinely believe that Coppell did not bring on Kitson or Doyle as he didn't want to win the game?

I don't believe he did everything he could to try and win it. In my very humble opinion, I think he was wrong to not use any subs. Had he done so and the result had remained the same, or we had lost, I would have to admit he had done everything he could to try and win it.

[Vision]

I watched on telly and there was 100% effort and commitment from those on the pitch. It was also a good game (for a nil nil). But Coppell definitely did not pick his strongest side available and surely he should have used at least one of Doyle/ Kitson for the last half hour. Seoul actually played well, I thought, but he was clearly knackered after 70 minutes.


Gunnarsson (was he a sub?) and Doyle/Kitson on for Long and Seoul for the last 30 minutes would have been the competitive option.

Even that is open to debate though isn't it? We threw Lita on as a sub on Saturday and lost the game. There's no way of knowing that bringing on Kitson, Doyle, Brn or Oster around the 20/30 min mark would have made anything better as we were dominating the game at that stage. It could just as easily have disrupted our dominance and then people would be questioning that as well. Of course at the moment Kits.Lita and Doyle are better players than Long who was pretty ineffective, however despite all that if Poll was doing his job properly he may well have earned the penalty which could have won the game.

[Adrian's Fool]

The only player who had a bad game was Bikey. I love the guy but, especially in the first half, he nearly let them in on a number of occasions. Far too casual.

But he was doing his best ( )

Star Man and a 9/10 rating in The Sun today. Must say that surprised me a tad but there you go.

Something that sticks in the mind is the three or four times he calmly chested and controlled the ball in the box before clearing it.

Well, I was impressed anyway.

[Wycombe Royal]

Something that sticks in the mind is the three or four times he calmly chested and controlled the ball in the box before clearing it.

Well, I was impressed anyway.

Maybe he could teach Stephen Hunt how to chest the ball down.

[madmickb]

I think it was a case of the old pals act with Coppell & Pardew niether wanted to loose this one i am sure that if they had scored then we would have had the equaliser we were too easy on them, Even the ref ( should have given us a penalty) looked like he was happy to see out a draw

[Stranded]

I think it was a case of the old pals act with Coppell & Pardew niether wanted to loose this one i am sure that if they had scored then we would have had the equaliser we were too easy on them, Even the ref ( should have given us a penalty) looked like he was happy to see out a draw

Hang on, hang on.

You're saying that a team in a relegation fight would have let us score easily if they'd gone 1-0 up in a must win game for an old pals act? I've seen some posts this morning I can't agree with but that is just idiotic I'm afraid.

[madmickb]

no i am saying that we could have won the game if we had realy wanted to we had Doyle and Kiston on the bench who are far better than Lita or Long.

[Stranded]

no i am saying that we could have won the game if we had realy wanted to we had Doyle and Kiston on the bench who are far better than Lita or Long.

Ah, apologies - slightly misread your post.

[Scarface]

Ever since Coppell stated we don't want Europe I can't see how the players could have possibly tried 100% to win any game.

Our season ended when Coppell made those claims.

[Vision]

Ever since Coppell stated we don't want Europe I can't see how the players could have possibly tried 100% to win any game.

Our season ended when Coppell made those claims.

You think the players have lacked effort in the last 2 games?

I can understand people focusing on the team selection but in terms of effort and committment, the last 2 games in particular have been every bit as good as for the rest of the season.

We lost on Saturday precisely because the players went all out to win the game and left themselves a bit exposed. Last night we were the side making the running and trying to win the game.

[RoyalBlue]

Ever since Coppell stated we don't want Europe I can't see how the players could have possibly tried 100% to win any game.

Our season ended when Coppell made those claims.

You think the players have lacked effort in the last 2 games?

I can understand people focusing on the team selection but in terms of effort and committment, the last 2 games in particular have been every bit as good as for the rest of the season.

We lost on Saturday precisely because the players went all out to win the game and left themselves a bit exposed. Last night we were the side making the running and trying to win the game.

And got a tremendous amount of praise on Sky for doing so - despite the fact they clearly planned the programme around the Charlton/Pardew great escape.