FSF Fans' Parliament 5th July

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FSF Fans' Parliament 5th July

by STAR Voice » 01 Jul 2008 18:14

If anyone is interested, the Football Supporters' Federation Fans' Parliament (annual conference) is being held this Saturday, 5th July, at The Emirates Stadium, from 10 am to 5.30 pm. Admission is FREE to all supporters - although you must be an FSF member to vote in any of the elections or debates.

Guest speakers will be the Rt Hon Andy Burnham MP, secretary of state for culture, media and sport and Lord Triesman, chairman of the Football Association.

For more information see here : here.

To register for Fans' Parliament, see here.

STAR will be quite heavily involved in the conference - two STAR members are standing in the elections (1 for National Council of the FSF and one as an Officer), and STAR members are proposing and seconding a number of motions, as below :

These are :

5. Football authorities to give full support for proper respect for match officials Conference applauds the aims of the Football Association’s “Respect” Campaign to improve player behaviour, but believes that the core of this strategy to “start at the bottom” by targeting the behaviour of young players is misguided, since many already take their cue from what they see
professionals do on television.
Conference believes that the Laws of the Game already equip referees with sufficient powers to allow them to deal with the bad language, abuse and lack of respect which is endemic in the professional game, but that referees are inhibited from using these powers. Conference therefore calls upon the Football Association, Premier League and Football League to give full backing to referees with the instruction to apply the Laws of the Game stringently and vigorously in order to drive up standards of player behaviour, in particular by adopting a “zero tolerance” policy towards all players and club staff whenever they display any bad language, abuse and disrespect towards officials or other players.
(Proposed by STAR member, Seconded by STAR)

14. Conference calls for referees in televised matches to be “wired up” with suitable microphone and transmitting equipment to enable the broadcast of what they say and hear to be received by those equipped with suitable equipment. Conference believes this will bring three benefits to the game by :
(i)allowing viewers to see in real time abuse, disrespect and bad language which is directed at referees by some players. Making the behaviour of players so clearly visible would inevitably raise standards of player behaviour since current standards would be unacceptable to audiences, sponsors and broadcasters alike;
(ii) allowing commentators and viewers to hear the communication between referees and players and to properly understand the basis on which referees are making decisions. This would help raise standards of commentary by reducing the occasions where commentators criticise referees through ignorance of the situation or the laws of the game;
(iii) allowing an additional revenue stream through the selling/sponsorship of this audio channel in order to overcome any financial objections to its introduction.
(Proposed by STAR member, Seconded by STAR)

15. In negotiating future TV contracts FSF calls upon all football authorities to insert a requirement for more rigid, and publicly known, advance notification of changes of scheduled dates and/or kick-off times. Furthermore, where the TV company fails to meet the contractual deadline, it will itself be liable to reimburse the validated additional, or non-refundable, expenses incurred by any fan of the competing teams in instances where such expenditure was incurred after the known deadline.
(Proposed by Sunderland AFCSA, Seconded by STAR)

16. Conference deplores the repeated use of Stop and Search powers under Section 60 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1994 when these are deployed indiscriminately against football supporters or those appearing to be football supporters based upon appearance or stereotyping alone.
Conference calls upon Police Forces to base their policing methods solely on properly targeted, intelligence-based, policing of supporters rather than upon an automatic assumption that everyone who chooses to spend their leisure time watching football matches is by implication a potential criminal.
(Proposed by STAR member, Seconded by STAR)

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Re: FSF Fans' Parliament 5th July

by STAR Liaison » 06 Jul 2008 14:21

congratulations to the FSF vice-chairman and the new member of National Council for their election success. So now STAR (and HNA as it happens) has 2 representatives on the national fans organisation.

It was an interesting day but a shame Andy Burnham was not able to attend, as Dick Caborn was not as influential and gave the same tired excuses from when he was minister. Lord Triesman was very interesting and I must admit I did not know he has taken his coaching badge and has been a referee, that gives him a better insight into grassroots football than a lot will credit him with. He is, however, a consummate politician so let us hope he is able to achieve as Chairman of the FA more influence against the 'greed leagues' as I heard them called yesterday than the FA has previously managed.

Most of the motions were passed nem con, and the only one defeated was the one STAR supported on the broadcast of the referee's comments - apparently too many people at the Fans' Parliament think that passion can only be expressed with swear words and believed that removing swearing would also remove the passion of the game, and one even enjoyed the misinformation from TV commentators. Sad that an improvement, that could lead to the game being respected by many who currently condemn all in football and its supporters, was defeated but I suspect that defeat is supported by some on here too.

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Re: FSF Fans' Parliament 5th July

by Row Z Royal » 06 Jul 2008 20:05

Congrats to the successful members.

The FSF plays an important but understated role and it's fantastic that TWO members of our Supporters' Trust are so well placed.

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Re: FSF Fans' Parliament 5th July

by Dirk Gently » 06 Jul 2008 21:09

In fact, there are THREE Reading supporters on the FSF National Council - the invited representative of an affiliated organisation is also a member.

This gives RFC more members than any other club - Manchester Utd, Manchester City, Stoke City and Newcastle all have two members.

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Re: FSF Fans' Parliament 5th July

by Row Z Royal » 07 Jul 2008 19:39

Dirk Gently In fact, there are THREE Reading supporters on the FSF National Council - the invited representative of an affiliated organisation is also a member.

This gives RFC more members than any other club - Manchester Utd, Manchester City, Stoke City and Newcastle all have two members.


I just assumed you were one of them ^

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Re: FSF Fans' Parliament 5th July

by Elm Park » 11 Jul 2008 11:38

starliaison Most of the motions were passed nem con, and the only one defeated was the one STAR supported on the broadcast of the referee's comments - apparently too many people at the Fans' Parliament think that passion can only be expressed with swear words and believed that removing swearing would also remove the passion of the game, and one even enjoyed the misinformation from TV commentators. Sad that an improvement, that could lead to the game being respected by many who currently condemn all in football and its supporters, was defeated but I suspect that defeat is supported by some on here too.


Would not an appropriate compromise be that the referee's comments were 'broadcast' to the media who then could provide an accurate edited version of what the referee said. Not as good as a full broadcast I would agree but at least people might get an insite into what the ref. was thinking.

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Re: FSF Fans' Parliament 5th July

by Ian Royal » 13 Jul 2008 18:31

thats got to be massively impractical. You'd have to have microphones on a ref on a delayed feed so it could be edited, there would be contention over what was allowed through and what wasn't and it would be completely out of synch with what was happening in the match. Unless the whole game was on a delayed feed.

Unless you're talking about post match interviews. But there isn't a great deal of point in them after most matches.

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Re: FSF Fans' Parliament 5th July

by Roger the Rabbit » 14 Jul 2008 08:28

Ian Royal thats got to be massively impractical. You'd have to have microphones on a ref on a delayed feed so it could be edited, there would be contention over what was allowed through and what wasn't and it would be completely out of synch with what was happening in the match. Unless the whole game was on a delayed feed.

Unless you're talking about post match interviews. But there isn't a great deal of point in them after most matches.


Surely he just means that 'someone' is able to hear what is actually said and then convey that to the TV commentators who can report accurately on it without necessarily using the precise wording ? Bit like a simultaneous translation ? Would give Chris Kamara and Garth Crooks something useful to do i suppose....

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Re: FSF Fans' Parliament 5th July

by Elm Park » 14 Jul 2008 09:45

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Ian Royal thats got to be massively impractical. You'd have to have microphones on a ref on a delayed feed so it could be edited, there would be contention over what was allowed through and what wasn't and it would be completely out of synch with what was happening in the match. Unless the whole game was on a delayed feed.

Unless you're talking about post match interviews. But there isn't a great deal of point in them after most matches.


Surely he just means that 'someone' is able to hear what is actually said and then convey that to the TV commentators who can report accurately on it without necessarily using the precise wording ? Bit like a simultaneous translation ? Would give Chris Kamara and Garth Crooks something useful to do i suppose....


That is exactly what I was meaning. You don't need to hear what the ref is saying all the time. It is mainly at controversial monents and then the action is usually stopped. The commentators can then 'quote' the ref whilst the incident is being dealt with, or give the ref's reasoning during a replay of the incident.


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