Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

[Schards#2]

Schards

re: Time Machines

Posted in contemplation of tomorrow.

Am I right saying we have no had a forward score a single goal away from home this season?

I believe the context of the above remark is you saying that we had got 1 point and 1 goal in 3 games, BEFOPRE we played Bristol City; therefore, your statement that you only make definative statements on facts is proved to be, if you don't mind me saying, cobblers.

That is all.

I'm bemused at how asking a question constitutes talking cobblers.

I suspect if I suggested the sun will rise in the east today someone would disagree and someone would say "so you're saying the sun will rise in west?"

Such is the nature of the team board.

[londinium]

I am firmly in the present... you are just not man enough to admit you are wrong.

Do you not realise that you would get far more respect if you did so.

Your arguement was obviously well thought out and what you thought would happen, but unfortunately completely and utterly wrong.

You are making yourself look a total mug and I pity you.

[Wycombe Royal]

So, are you saying the club would have accepted £10m under the existing contract but not because he's signed a new contract? Why on earth would that be?


OK, lets say £50m and 5 times his wages. Do you still think he'll stay and, if not, are you calling him a liar?

Keep the discussion in the real world please.

As for whether or not the club would have accepted £10m before they may well have done becasue Doyle may have made more noise about wanting to go. THis is contract is a signal of intent that he WANTS to see out this season as least.

As for the size of any wage offer, that is totally irrelevant as it is all down to the size of the bid for the player.

[Schards#2]

I am firmly in the present... you are just not man enough to admit you are wrong.

Do you not realise that you would get far more respect if you did so.

Your arguement was obviously well thought out and what you thought would happen, but unfortunately completely and utterly wrong.

You are making yourself look a total mug and I pity you.

Did you get the lottery numbers while you were there?

[Wycombe Royal]

Another one for Schards, but remember this new contract still has little or no effect on him leaving.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/cc_championship/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/08/11/10/manual_095453.html&TEAMHD=nationwide1

Kevin Doyle insists there is no hidden agenda behind his decision to sign a new Reading contract - and he hopes Stephen Hunt will follow his lead.

Irish striker Doyle committed his future to the Royals last week by extending his deal at the Madejski Stadium until 2011.

There have been claims that the contract will simply push up his price ahead of a proposed January switch back to the Premier League, with Aston Villa having been linked with a bid.

However Doyle is adamant he wanted to resolve his future before the transfer window reopened and stressed he has no plans to leave the Championship club.

"There is no hidden agenda," said Doyle in The Sun. "It is very unusual to see a player move two months after a new deal.

"I feel emotionally attached to Reading. It's the club that gave me my chance.

"I get on well with everyone, the chairman, manager and staff. They looked after me and I appreciate that.

"It's important that I had a clear mind before January. Transfer talk can be very unsettling, it plays on your mind and is tiring mentally, not just for me but for team-mates and family.

"A couple of times I thought I was leaving, then the next day I wasn't. So it did mess with my head a little bit. I was delighted when the first of September came, then straight away it was a relief."

Doyle is now keen for compatriot Hunt to stay at the club, with Everton and Sunderland linked with the midfielder.

He added: "I wouldn't blame him if he left, he is older than me and has to think about his future. But we don't want one of our best players leaving in January. He is a great asset."

[Schards#2]

So, are you saying the club would have accepted £10m under the existing contract but not because he's signed a new contract? Why on earth would that be?


OK, lets say £50m and 5 times his wages. Do you still think he'll stay and, if not, are you calling him a liar?

Keep the discussion in the real world please.

As for whether or not the club would have accepted £10m before they may well have done becasue Doyle may have made more noise about wanting to go. THis is contract is a signal of intent that he WANTS to see out this season as least.

In the real world, are you going to accept that I didn't call Doyle a liar or are you going to keep up the pretence?

It's pretty simple, if he wants to stay because he's settled, his girlfriend's settled and because of the Irish connection then he'd stay whether he had new contract or not.

If that is not the motivation and he will go to the highest payer, then signing a new contract will, again, not make any difference as, if a Premier league side tops what he is being paid, he will go.

If i'm missing something, i'm sure you'll point it out.

I don't know if he'll stay or go but my opinion is he will go if a Premiership side wants him enough. What I do know is that the new contract won't effect the outcome.

[londinium]

I am firmly in the present... you are just not man enough to admit you are wrong.

Do you not realise that you would get far more respect if you did so.

Your arguement was obviously well thought out and what you thought would happen, but unfortunately completely and utterly wrong.

You are making yourself look a total mug and I pity you.

Did you get the lottery numbers while you were there?

I think you have no concept of time at all.

I am in the present and you are ?????? I have no idea where you are/ past, present or future or even on this planet.

Fact is, you thought we would be mid table until there was a 'sea of change'

Fact is, there has been no 'sea of change' and we have been top 3 most of the season.

Fact is, you are wrong

Fact is, you can't admit it

Fact is, you have lost all credibility

Fact is, you are being laughed at

Fact is, you are probably used to it.

[SpaceCruiser]

Schards, it's very simple but then you seem too simple to see what WR is trying to say. He's saying that you implied that Doyle was lying about staying.

[The 17 Bus]

This si so hard to follow, Schards seems to think most of what he says are facts, when they are opinions.

It is like arguing with Woodcote here.

[Sun Tzu]

What I do know is that the new contract won't effect the outcome.

Um, no you don't.

You assume, based on a lack of knowledge of the contract, the conversations between club and player and the motivation of the player.

None of us have a clue about the new deal other than it adds a year to the contract. We have no idea what bonuses it includes, what the new salary level is, whether it includes release clauses or even penalty clauses.

Of course it's easy to make brave statements of opinion dressed up as fact when you know they cannot be proved or disproved. I'm sure you''ll revert to the old argument of accusing people of not reading what you write rather than coming down to the elvel of the rest and engaging in a less confrontational discussion.

[Schards#2]

I am firmly in the present... you are just not man enough to admit you are wrong.

Do you not realise that you would get far more respect if you did so.

Your arguement was obviously well thought out and what you thought would happen, but unfortunately completely and utterly wrong.

You are making yourself look a total mug and I pity you.

Did you get the lottery numbers while you were there?

I think you have no concept of time at all.

I am in the present and you are ?????? I have no idea where you are/ past, present or future or even on this planet.

Fact is, you thought we would be mid table until there was a 'sea of change'

Fact is, there has been no 'sea of change' and we have been top 3 most of the season.

Fact is, you are wrong

Fact is, you can't admit it

Fact is, you have lost all credibility

Fact is, you are being laughed at

Fact is, you are probably used to it.

I'm genuinely embarrassed for you.

We will not know if we are midtable until the end of the season, however many hissy fits you have.

[The 17 Bus]

The fact about the new contract is that we the fans have no idea what it says, it could be and probably is the best contract ever given to a Reading player, it will almost certainly have get out clauses for both sides, it will have promotion and relegation clauses too.

It is a sign to Doyle that he is wanted long term at RFC and is valued highly, therefore it will have some bearing on if he leaves if Villa or someone else comes along, having said that it is no guarantee that he will stay at all.

[Sun Tzu]

We will not know if we are midtable until the end of the season, however many hissy fits you have.

I think you need to go back and read what you wrote, rather than what you think you wrote.

[Schards#2]

This si so hard to follow, Schards seems to think most of what he says are facts, when they are opinions.

It is like arguing with Woodcote here.

That is the exact opposite of what is happening.

I'm saying my opinions can't be judged at this time, everyone else is saying they are wrong.

[Wycombe Royal]

So, are you saying the club would have accepted £10m under the existing contract but not because he's signed a new contract? Why on earth would that be?


OK, lets say £50m and 5 times his wages. Do you still think he'll stay and, if not, are you calling him a liar?

Keep the discussion in the real world please.

As for whether or not the club would have accepted £10m before they may well have done becasue Doyle may have made more noise about wanting to go. THis is contract is a signal of intent that he WANTS to see out this season as least.

In the real world, are you going to accept that I didn't call Doyle a liar or are you going to keep up the pretence?

You have a go at others for not concentratiing on what you ACTUALLY said and then you say this. I never said that you CALLED him a liar. What I said was, and I quote:

In short, Schards is basically saying that Kevin Doyle is lying.

In other words I was suggesting that you implied it.

[SpaceCruiser]

I'm genuinely embarrassed for you.

We will not know if we are midtable until the end of the season, however many hissy fits you have.

That's right, move the goalposts.

[Wycombe Royal]

What I do know is that the new contract won't effect the outcome.

Whereas everyone else, including Doyle himself, seems to think it will.

I think a pattern is emerging here......

[Sun Tzu]

This si so hard to follow, Schards seems to think most of what he says are facts, when they are opinions.

It is like arguing with Woodcote here.

That is the exact opposite of what is happening.

I'm saying my opinions can't be judged at this time, everyone else is saying they are wrong.

Except your opinions were couched in terms of the current situation. It wasn't a discussion about what would happen at some specific point in the future.

Your original post does not refer to the end of the season. It was a statement as to how you saw things on the day you wrote it, and much of what it contains has clearly been shown to be wrong.

[Royal Lady]

I'm genuinely embarrassed for you.

We will not know if we are midtable until the end of the season, however many hissy fits you have.

That's right, move the goalposts.

How is that moving the goalposts?? He said, in September, that come the end of the season we wouldn't have made any progress, i.e. that we wouldn't get promoted back to the Prem and that we'd probably end up mid table. How is that moving the goalposts!!

[Wycombe Royal]

Here comes the cavalry (a bit short of numbers though).