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Re: Actim Index

by Royalee » 21 Dec 2008 18:28

Go and watch the tape of the game if you don't believe me.

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Re: Actim Index

by bcubed » 21 Dec 2008 19:22

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Ian Royal I think some people expect too much after a couple of our recent seasons.


No, I just prefer to see midfielders complete more than 50% of passes - it means your team can keep the ball and build attacks which is a fundamental part of the game. People bitch and moan about Matejovsky giving the ball away too much when he attempts more challenging passes but Harper attempts nothing and still gives the ball away as much if not more. The guy can't even pass the ball to another player ten yards away from him. I lost count of the amount of times Harper hoofed the ball aimlessly to nobody and got caught out yesterday. I used to rate him at this level but with every game I'm beginning to think he's not even an average Championship midfielder.


:roll: :roll:

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Re: Actim Index

by bcubed » 21 Dec 2008 19:31

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Royalee Decent point, but he's still the most favoured CM at the club and hasn't missed many games. You'd at least expect him to make the top hundred players given our league position and the quality of players around him.


Depends how you score points, he doesn't tackle a great deal, get assists or score many goals. Those are all fairly obvious and easy ways to score points.


Completed passes?


Not included -

How is the Actim Index calculated?
Complex mathematical formulae were devised to calculate the value of each player's contribution, match by match. In simple terms, the Actim Index comprises six calculations:

Calculation 1 - Assesses a player's contribution to a winning team, based on points won by the team when he appeared.
Calculation 2 - Assesses a player's performance in each game, by allocating points for actions that positively contribute to a winning performance such as shots, tackles, clearances and saves. It also takes points away from players for negative actions such as yellow/red cards and shots off target.
Calculation 3 - Allocates points based on time on the pitch.
Calculation 4 - Allocates points for goal scorers.
Calculation 5 - Allocates points for assists.
Calculation 6 - Allocates points for clean sheets.

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by brendywendy » 21 Dec 2008 19:59

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Ian Royal I think some people expect too much after a couple of our recent seasons.


No, I just prefer to see midfielders complete more than 50% of passes - it means your team can keep the ball and build attacks which is a fundamental part of the game. People bitch and moan about Matejovsky giving the ball away too much when he attempts more challenging passes but Harper attempts nothing and still gives the ball away as much if not more. The guy can't even pass the ball to another player ten yards away from him. I lost count of the amount of times Harper hoofed the ball aimlessly to nobody and got caught out yesterday. I used to rate him at this level but with every game I'm beginning to think he's not even an average Championship midfielder.


:roll: :roll:


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Re: Actim Index

by Ian Royal » 21 Dec 2008 20:17

Royalee Go and watch the tape of the game if you don't believe me.


Seen it already thanks. And listened to the comments which come out of the club about Harper's pass completion rate.


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Re: Actim Index

by Ian Royal » 21 Dec 2008 20:20

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Ian Royal Depends how you score points, he doesn't tackle a great deal, get assists or score many goals. Those are all fairly obvious and easy ways to score points.


Completed passes?


Not included -

How is the Actim Index calculated?
Complex mathematical formulae were devised to calculate the value of each player's contribution, match by match. In simple terms, the Actim Index comprises six calculations:

Calculation 1 - Assesses a player's contribution to a winning team, based on points won by the team when he appeared.
Calculation 2 - Assesses a player's performance in each game, by allocating points for actions that positively contribute to a winning performance such as shots, tackles, clearances and saves. It also takes points away from players for negative actions such as yellow/red cards and shots off target.
Calculation 3 - Allocates points based on time on the pitch.
Calculation 4 - Allocates points for goal scorers.
Calculation 5 - Allocates points for assists.
Calculation 6 - Allocates points for clean sheets.


Clearances, points gained when playing and time on the pitch is about the only way I can see Harper picking up a lot of points. Thankfully those stats don't dictate who we play, because football is more complex than that.

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Re: Actim Index

by Royalee » 21 Dec 2008 20:45

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Royalee Go and watch the tape of the game if you don't believe me.


Seen it already thanks. And listened to the comments which come out of the club about Harper's pass completion rate.


Which are? If they're praising it then I'm worried about Prozone or whatever they're using. I understand why you're opinions (when you are able to form your own and not take whatever the club says as gospel) are so strange if you can't even recall a match which took place a day ago properly.

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Re: Actim Index

by brendywendy » 21 Dec 2008 20:49

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Royalee Go and watch the tape of the game if you don't believe me.


Seen it already thanks. And listened to the comments which come out of the club about Harper's pass completion rate.


Which are? If they're praising it then I'm worried about Prozone or whatever they're using. I understand why you're opinions (when you are able to form your own and not take whatever the club says as gospel) are so strange if you can't even recall a match which took place a day ago properly.


LOL at royalee for mocking someone elses opinions on the game

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Re: Actim Index

by Ian Royal » 21 Dec 2008 20:58

Royalee, having recently finished flirting with some marginally sensible comments, has got bored and decided to wander back off into some sort of drug induced dreamland where his irrational prejudices are more intelligent analysis than anything anyone else could ever hope to think up. No matter how objectively based on all sorts of information others opinions may be.


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Re: Actim Index

by Franchise FC » 21 Dec 2008 21:27

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jumpers for goalposts Glen Little used to put in 9 good crosses in 10.

Blasthemy. He put in 10 good crosses out of 10.


However, you are comparing a mere mortal (SHunt) with Glen (Carlsberg) Little, probably the best player we've ever had.

Compare SHunt with any other mere mortal and he stacks up reasonably well.

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Re: Actim Index

by Royalee » 21 Dec 2008 23:32

Ian Royal Royalee, having recently finished flirting with some marginally sensible comments, has got bored and decided to wander back off into some sort of drug induced dreamland where his irrational prejudices are more intelligent analysis than anything anyone else could ever hope to think up. No matter how objectively based on all sorts of information others opinions may be.


LOLZ. What's prejudiced about counting the number of times a completed pass is made? Drug-induced dreamland? That would've been you at 12:45 yesterday after those sleeping tablets you must've been on to miss another display of ineptitude by Harper.

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Re: Actim Index

by Cookie » 22 Dec 2008 00:09

moo This was last updated 18/12, so doesnt include this weekends action, but our players are doing very nicely in the Actim index.

1. Kevin Doyle 521
2. Stephen Hunt 471
10. Liam Rosenior 343
12. Marcus Hahnemann 327
21. Noel Hunt 288
33. Jimmy Kebe 268
42. Chris Armstrong 255
47. Ivar Ingamarsson 247
85. Andre Bikey 213

It should be noted Hahnemann is rated as #1 goalie in the Championship and Rosenior is rated the third best defender.





Can you add the link please?

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Re: Actim Index

by westendgirl » 24 Dec 2008 08:56

Royalee Nice to see, although I'm somewhat puzzled that Harper isn't there what with all those things he supposedly does that we can't see.


Sorry to spoil your fun but I think the fact that it is a cumulative index means that Harps has missed too many games to be in the top 20 rather than an indication that your dislike of him is justified.


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by JC » 16 Jan 2009 00:11

http://actimindex.files.wordpress.com/2 ... op1009.gif


Not looked at this for a while.
We have the top 2 in Doyle and Hunt and 8 in the top 50

Biggest surprise to me is Rosenior at no 6 and Armstrong at 25

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Re: Actim Index

by toppy » 16 Jan 2009 01:13

Not that I think it means much but... first Brum at 13

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Re: Actim Index

by The Rouge » 16 Jan 2009 09:26

JC http://actimindex.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/champ_index_top1009.gif


Not looked at this for a while.
We have the top 2 in Doyle and Hunt and 8 in the top 50

Biggest surprise to me is Rosenior at no 6 and Armstrong at 25


Rosenior at 6 is no surprise to me. If I have to vote for player of the season at the moment, I would be torn between Rosenior and Doyle.

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Re: Actim Index

by No Hoops » 16 Jan 2009 09:29

+1

Seol for Rosi, great business.

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Re: Actim Index

by CMRoyal » 16 Jan 2009 09:45

So, S Hunt second best player in the division on two measures in a week, one objective, one subjective.

Any yet, my impression is that you'd struggle to find a Hob-Nobber who'd have him in their top two Reading players (midfielders?). And I count myself amongst them.

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Re: Actim Index

by fridaysback » 16 Jan 2009 10:37

So, S Hunt second best player in the division on two measures in a week, one objective, one subjective.

Any yet, my impression is that you'd struggle to find a Hob-Nobber who'd have him in their top two Reading players (midfielders?). And I count myself amongst them.


Agreed, last game ok but if I am honest he has been mediocre this season his bro on the other hand a revelation. Do you think they may have mixed them up ?

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Re: Actim Index

by rabidbee » 16 Jan 2009 10:41

People are forgetting how good he was September to November. His dip in form means that he was merely a "good" player in December.

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