Wolves

[Dirk Gently]

A Wolves fan who somehow got into the Jazz Cafe and had a ticket in the East Stand said that up there tickets were being touted for £80. He himself got his ticket by joining as a RFC member (despite living in the West Midlands) and he said that loads of others had done the same but had then been sussed and had their tickets and membership cancelled. The reason therefore it fell short of a sell out was most likely unsold tickets in the hands of touts plus inadequate time to re-sell the cancelled tickets.

Really? Oh, dear! How did that happen, then?

DNA samples

Trouble is for Wolves dwellers they're all the same.

[rabidbee]

A slightly different issue, I know, but one assumes that many of the empty seats around the home end (and I didn't think there were that many anyway) would have been season-ticket holiding kids who couldn't make the late kick-off, and presumbly some parents who also missed the game. I know they would still count towards the attendence anyway.

[Rex]

I didn't take my daughter to this one and was on my tod.

[rabidbee]

Zatly.

[The 17 Bus]

Perhaps RFC should introduce a buy back scheme....oh

[Rawlie19]

A slightly different issue, I know, but one assumes that many of the empty seats around the home end (and I didn't think there were that many anyway) would have been season-ticket holiding kids who couldn't make the late kick-off, and presumbly some parents who also missed the game. I know they would still count towards the attendence anyway.

They don't count towards attendance. You don't count unless you come through the turnstile.

[Dirk Gently]

A slightly different issue, I know, but one assumes that many of the empty seats around the home end (and I didn't think there were that many anyway) would have been season-ticket holiding kids who couldn't make the late kick-off, and presumbly some parents who also missed the game. I know they would still count towards the attendence anyway.

They don't count towards attendance. You don't count unless you come through the turnstile.

Wrong! See many other threads over recent years.

It used to be like that but it changed a couple of years ago.

[North Somerset Royal]

A slightly different issue, I know, but one assumes that many of the empty seats around the home end (and I didn't think there were that many anyway) would have been season-ticket holiding kids who couldn't make the late kick-off, and presumbly some parents who also missed the game. I know they would still count towards the attendence anyway.

They don't count towards attendance. You don't count unless you come through the turnstile.

Wrong! See many other threads over recent years.

It used to be like that but it changed a couple of years ago.

DG is correct. The club confirmed this recently :-

Dear David



Thank you for your email.



In common with the majority of clubs, the attendance figure announced at Madejski Stadium is the total number of tickets sold.



Best wishes



Andy West

Reading FC

[Rawlie19]

Well that's just bollox then. Why do they say "today's attendance is..." if it's actually, "today's ticket sales are..." ? Complete crap.

[Rex]

I would have thought the turnstiles would have a system linked to them where it could tally up the total amount of customers going through the turnstiles. In reality this is not a surefire way of attaining 100% accuracy simply due to member card or ST card failures, or even possible turnstile failure. The cards themselves probably have anti passback built into them to prevent unauthorised usage (but i won't test that theory!).
At half time - those wishing to go outside to smoke do so on a ticket pass and the turnstile is controlled and released upon the ticket being handed in. There could be a disparity involved in this process.

The attendance levels will be far easily collated on the advance ticket / ST / Member car sales as this is mapped to the stadium layout on a software programme. Somewhere within that programme it would collate total ticket sales.

Interesting when it involves H and S.

[philM]

Well that's just bollox then. Why do they say "today's attendance is..." if it's actually, "today's ticket sales are..." ? Complete crap.

I mentioned this before. The word "attendance" means the number of people attending, and has nothing to do with how many tickets have been sold. End of story.

If they can't measure the number of people that are in the ground I would be very surprised (health and safety rules etc). I suspect that they use the ticket sales figure because it is always going to be a higher number.

They are lying every time about the attendance.

[Dirk Gently]

Well that's just bollox then. Why do they say "today's attendance is..." if it's actually, "today's ticket sales are..." ? Complete crap.

I mentioned this before. The word "attendance" means the number of people attending, and has nothing to do with how many tickets have been sold. End of story.

If they can't measure the number of people that are in the ground I would be very surprised (health and safety rules etc). I suspect that they use the ticket sales figure because it is always going to be a higher number.

They are lying every time about the attendance.

So sue them if it upsets you so much ......

They do know exactly how many people are in every single area of the ground at every time, and they used to announce "attendance" as the number of people in the ground. But it's a PL guideline that attendance announced is the number of tickets sold, not actual numbers of tickets used, so they changed when in the PL and have never gone back.

One can only surmise that Scudamore and Co. are worried about the PR implications if the lower figure was used....

[philM]

A slightly different issue, I know, but one assumes that many of the empty seats around the home end (and I didn't think there were that many anyway) would have been season-ticket holiding kids who couldn't make the late kick-off, and presumbly some parents who also missed the game. I know they would still count towards the attendence anyway.

They don't count towards attendance. You don't count unless you come through the turnstile.

Wrong! See many other threads over recent years.

It used to be like that but it changed a couple of years ago.

"It" didn't change. RFC decided to give higher than actual attendance figures, for whatever reason..

"...An FA Premier League spokesperson said that it is for a club to decide how attendance figures are calculated. Apparently, some clubs base attendance on tickets sold and others on ‘gate receipts’, i.e. the number of ticket holders passing through the turnstiles...."

From - http://www.e-comlaw.com/sportslawblog/template_permalink.asp?id=113

[Dirk Gently]

They don't count towards attendance. You don't count unless you come through the turnstile.

Wrong! See many other threads over recent years.

It used to be like that but it changed a couple of years ago.

"It" didn't change. RFC decided to give higher than actual attendance figures, for whatever reason..

"...An FA Premier League spokesperson said that it is for a club to decide how attendance figures are calculated. Apparently, some clubs base attendance on tickets sold and others on ‘gate receipts’, i.e. the number of ticket holders passing through the turnstiles...."

From - http://www.e-comlaw.com/sportslawblog/template_permalink.asp?id=113

See my post above yours - it is a PL "guideline." Reading decided to follow it when they went up.

[westendgirl]

"...An FA Premier League spokesperson said that it is for a club to decide how attendance figures are calculated. Apparently, some clubs base attendance on tickets sold and others on ‘gate receipts’, i.e. the number of ticket holders passing through the turnstiles...."

Maybe I'm missing something but does not gate receipts = tickets sold rather than the number through the turnstiles?

[The 17 Bus]

Perhaps it is time that they based it not on attendances, but by total takings, guess we would lose out due to so many young folk buying at RFC recently.

[weybridgewanderer]

"...An FA Premier League spokesperson said that it is for a club to decide how attendance figures are calculated. Apparently, some clubs base attendance on tickets sold and others on ‘gate receipts’, i.e. the number of ticket holders passing through the turnstiles...."

Maybe I'm missing something but does not gate receipts = tickets sold rather than the number through the turnstiles?

yes it does

tickets sold and gate receipts is the same thing, number through the turnstile is entirely differnt

in the "old days" these were always reported lower than the actual attendance for a number of reasons

1/ coz of "lift overs"
2/ coz you could pay someone less than the admission price, the money would go in his pocket rather than to the club
3/ the attendance reported was used to justify the money owed to the inland revenue. if the club reported a few thusand less than actually turned up then they would not be liable for as big a tax bill

its all change now! buying tickets in advance and other "security" measures have made it harder for clubs to hide income

these days most clubs make a loss so they have little if any tax liability
most stadiums are ticket entry so they count the tickets sold rather than the number through the gate. they really don't care how mnany people turn up all they care about is how many tickets they sell.