Shane Long

[Snowball]

Someone asked about discipline:

"Games" are starts + subs appearances times .2

These three have had red cards so must technically be our three "bad boys"


Games--Yellows/Reds----------
33.00 5 1 06.60 Liam Rosenior
14.20 2 1 07.10 Andre Bikey
29.40 2 1 14.70 Jimmy Kebe


Jem Karacan gets a yellow every 3.33 games, Shane is next, followed by Gunnarson

10.00 3 0 03.33 Jem Karacan
07.60 2 0 03.80 Shane Long
12.80 3 0 04.27 Brynjar Gunnarsson

31.00 4 0 07.75 Chris Armstrong
34.00 4 0 08.50 Stephen Hunt
26.40 3 0 08.80 Noel Hunt
10.20 1 0 10.20 Alex Pearce
34.00 3 0 11.33 Kevin Doyle
24.80 2 0 12.40 James Harper
15.00 1 0 15.00 Michael Duberry
21.00 1 0 21.00 Kalifa Cisse
26.00 1 0 26.00 Ivar Ingimarsson
06.80 0 0 XX.XX Leroy Lita

[Hoop Blah]

How (please explain) is that "a total disappointment"?

Because he hasn't played as well when he's started games as he has when he's come off the bench and he usually looks a bit out of his depth. He has disappointed because he often looks like a player with significant potential but has never, in my opinion, fulfilled that during games he's started. Do you realise that it's possible to play badly and still score? Do you realise that Woodcote didn't say he'd not scored he said he'd disappointed. Do you see that there can be a difference.

Look the guy comes in, we win four on the trot and he scores in two. The manager keeps picking him for those five games.

But all we have to say he's "disappointing" is an unsubstantiated opinion, without any criteria, without
any explanation except repetition of, "Yes he was , he was, he was, disappointing."

I've substantiated my opinion on Long many times with my opinions of how he plays, his strengths and his weaknesses. These are my opinions formed with my own eyes watching him play. If you don't agree then that's fine, I'm not too bothered about that to be honest. They are as unsubstantiated as yours are because in my opinion your stats have not given me ANY insight into how the lad has played. You still seem to be unable to appreciate that view, but never mind.

As for him getting that run in the side and the manager keeping faith with him...the way I remember it is that Coppell had not viable alternative to playing Long upfront alongside Lita because both Doyle and Kitons were injured. Kitson came back, probably rushed back as usual if my memory serves me correctly, and made a few sub appearances (for Long and not Lita as it happens - I just checked that bit out) whilst presumably getting some match fitness back.

Long was promptly dropped for Kitson after that little run of games.

I still can't see any sensible evidence of Long being treated harshly. I've still not seen you name and shame those who've resorted to 'auto-hate' as you've described it on here. I thought a man with your background and hatred of knee-jerk reactions might have backed up that statement with a little bit of fact and evidence, doesn't look like you have though.

[chilipepper91]

Someone asked about discipline:

"Games" are starts + subs appearances times .2

These three have had red cards so must technically be our three "bad boys"


Games--Yellows/Reds----------
33.00 5 1 06.60 Liam Rosenior
14.20 2 1 07.10 Andre Bikey
29.40 2 1 14.70 Jimmy Kebe


Jem Karacan gets a yellow every 3.33 games, Shane is next, followed by Gunnarson

10.00 3 0 03.33 Jem Karacan
07.60 2 0 03.80 Shane Long
12.80 3 0 04.27 Brynjar Gunnarsson

31.00 4 0 07.75 Chris Armstrong
34.00 4 0 08.50 Stephen Hunt
26.40 3 0 08.80 Noel Hunt
10.20 1 0 10.20 Alex Pearce
34.00 3 0 11.33 Kevin Doyle
24.80 2 0 12.40 James Harper
15.00 1 0 15.00 Michael Duberry
21.00 1 0 21.00 Kalifa Cisse
26.00 1 0 26.00 Ivar Ingimarsson
06.80 0 0 XX.XX Leroy Lita

ergo lita >>>>>>>>>>>>> long

i'll use these stats coz they help the point i want to make

[donface]

LOL@statistics

Thank-you for you (typical) inane contribution.

LOL@my contribution being inane.

[SteveRoyal]

http://www.readingfc.co.uk/page/NewsDet ... 35,00.html

Long could start at Plymouth
Posted on: Fri 06 Mar 2009

Shane Long could come into the starting eleven when the Royals take on Plymouth Argyle this weekend.

Long scored our late winner at Sheffield Wednesday in midweek, and may be rewarded with a start.

Kevin Doyle needed treatment on a knee injury during the match on Tuesday evening, and with boss Steve Coppell also aware of a tricky pitch down at Home Park he may decide not to gamble on Doyle's fitness.

Jay Tabb made his first start but was forced off at half time against the Owls, so he faces a late check on his fitness ahead of this game with the Pilgrims.

Coppell said, "Doyle will do a little bit of training and Jay will join in with the rest of the squad. We've got three or four knocks, which you'd expect at this stage of the year.

"We'll have to look closely and see who's 100%. We've had reports on the pitch at Plymouth and it's a tough one to play on, you can't afford to gamble with anybody now."

On Long's chances of coming in when we play Paul Sturrock's men, Steve said, "He's desperate to start. He doesn't want to be tagged a supersub anymore.

"He doesn't like me saying that he's our biggest impact sub. He comes on and makes a difference which is hard to do. You can run around and not look like you're doing anything, but if you score and clear one off the line like he did this week you're definitely having an effect."

You can listen to full commentary on this weekend's game with a subscription to Reading World - tune in from 3pm for the very best coverage around.

Oh no.

[Woodcote Royal]

Yep, disaster strikes.

The man who came off the bench to score Tuesday's winner could start tomorrow.

Meanwhile, "One goal" Leroy Lita has all fingers crossed.

Should Kevin Doyle not travel Leroy could get an expected place on the trip to Plymouth with the prospect of a quiet night out in Bristol on the way home.

[shaka's shorts]

good opportunity to try 451 - 433 with Marek behind Noel and Long as the impact sub! Could bring Jem, Harper or Cisse in with Gunnar

[Alan Partridge]

Yep, disaster strikes.

The man who came off the bench to score Tuesday's winner could start tomorrow.

Meanwhile, "One goal" Leroy Lita has all fingers crossed.

Should Kevin Doyle not travel Leroy could get an expected place on the trip to Plymouth with the prospect of a quiet night out in Bristol on the way home.

Obsessed

[Woodcote Royal]

As obsessed as those who cover this board with "Well done Leroy" threads on those rare occasions when their hero finds the back of the net?

[Snowball]

LOL@statistics

Thank-you for you (typical) inane contribution.

LOL@my contribution being inane.

and that addition seriously elevated your contribution. Gonna try ROFLMAO next?

[Snowball]

As obsessed as those who cover this board with "Well done Leroy" threads on those rare occasions when their hero finds the back of the net?

You mean TWO threads in two years?

[Ian Royal]

Great, what we really need in our efforts to find form (both performance and results) is our best striker (by a country mile) to be out and replaced by a striker with a less than wonderful starts vs goals record.

TBH if Doyle is out then as it's away a formation change would be much more useful to us than trying Lita or Long.

Harper, Marek and Gunnar/Cisse with NHunt lonewolfing it upfront... PLEASE.

Or of course the Doyle issue to be a false alarm. Then again, we also really don't need him playing and aggravating a knock which ends up with him out for 3 - 4 weeks at the crucial point in the season.

[Rex]

Doyle will probably only come on if needed in the last 15 mins. If that knock on tuesday (kneecap) is still niggling it might be an idea to rest him completely. We've been lucky with him not being out for a long period this season, he's by far the most prolific striker we have and if, as Doyle said, he felt his knee pop, then it's only desperation to have him on the pitch and risk a further knock or aggravation to a recent injury. He was down for quite sometime on tuesday and was still hobbling after getting back on the pitch.

[The whole year inn]

As obsessed as those who cover this board with "Well done Leroy" threads on those rare occasions when their hero finds the back of the net?

You mean TWO threads in two years?

That sums up Leroys contribution..

Hence Shane will be on the bench tomorrow

[SteveRoyal]

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... ight_stuff

Long: Show you have the Wright stuff
By Nick Ive
March 06, 2009

Steve has challenged Shane Long to follow in the footsteps of England international Ian Wright and prove he’s more than just a supersub.

The Royals striker came off the bench and netted the winner in Tuesday’s 2-1 victory over Sheffield Wednesday at Hillsborough.

It was Long’s fourth goal of the season, but three of those have come when he has not been in the starting line-up.

Coppell says that Wright needed to shake off the tag of supersub early in his career when he played under the Royals boss at Crystal Palace.

Wright went on to become one of the Eagles’ most prolific scorers before clinching a move to Arsenal and becoming an England international.

And Coppell has hinted that Republic of Ireland international Long could be given a rare start in Reading’s game at Plymouth Argyle tomorrow (3pm kick-off).

Royals’ boss told the Evening Post: “Shane won’t like me saying it, but without doubt he makes the biggest impact consistently when he comes off the bench and that is hard to do.

“That may give him the tag of supersub, but Ian Wright had to deal with it when he first started at Crystal Palace. That tag hung around him for the first 18 months.

“It was up to him to shrug it off with consistent performances and prove he wasn’t just that – and he did it.

“To get rid of that you have to start scoring when you play from the start and sometimes that can be more difficult than when you come on.

“Shane has had a difficult time and not made the progress he would have liked. He has to maintain his focus and commitment and not be distracted.

“But he comes in every day, works hard and when he gets his opportunity, takes it. He is desperate to start and tomorrow could be the right game for him to come in.”

Can you imagine?

[Snowball]

Great, what we really need in our efforts to find form (both performance and results) is our best striker (by a country mile) to be out and replaced by a striker with a less than wonderful starts vs goals record.

Then again, we also really don't need him playing and aggravating a knock which ends up with him out for 3 - 4 weeks at the crucial point in the season.

Yes, better to rest him today (and perhaps Tuesday) and have him bouncing for the ten-match run-in than lose him, possibly, for the rest of the season.

[Snowball]

Shane's last three goals have come in a 226 minute space on the pitch, (total pitch time 237 minutes) In the same matches Kevin has played 1,058 minutes, also 3 goals

From Kevin's goal at Brum to his goal at Wednesday was 855 minutes (3 goals)

226 minute stretch 3 goals Long ( 1 every 75 minutes played)
855 minute stretch 3 goals Doyle (1 every 285 minutes played)

SL KD
08 90 Norwich (Long came on in 82nd, scored 86th)
63 90 Birmingham (Kevin scored in 65th, so count from there until 56th at Wednesday)
27 90 Cardiff
90 90 Saints
14 76 Watford (Kevin scored on 67 minutes)
00 90 Swansea
10 82 Wolves
00 90 QPR
14 76 Preston
00 90 Bristol
00 90 Forest
04 56 Wednesday


236 - space 237 total LONG
855 - space 954 total DOYLE

[Ian Royal]

So we get the danger of Doyle agravating his problem and Long starting. I'm not enthused. Rest of the team is fine and at least the bench looks very strong.

[Royalee]

Shane 'I can't do anything other than foul' Long.

[rg6royal]

Sounds like Long hasn't done too bad tbh.