Scunthorpe - back from the lame

[Wycombe Royal]

But by your way of thinking you only ever deserve the score you get at the final whistle, and I quite simply do not buy into that way of thinking.

unfortunately though, you only get points based on the score at the final and not what you may think we deserved.

Goals win games, not hitting the crossbar, not forcing good saves.....

[sandman]

Funny how losing points in a game we deserved to win has gone from being 'unlucky' 2 years ago, to managerial ineptitude now.

You seem to think we deserve to win every game. The fact is we didn't take our chances so we didn't deserve to win today.

No I don't. For example we deserved to lose against QPR, WBA, Newcastle and Middlesborough.

But by your way of thinking you only ever deserve the score you get at the final whistle, and I quite simply do not buy into that way of thinking.

Teams can dominate a game but you only ever deserve the points you get at the final whistle.

[Victor Meldrew]

As one of the East standers that Woodcote sweepingly regards as having no idea about the game (BTW aren't the chairman,the manager,the coaching staff and Tim Dellor amongst you lot on the expensive side Woodcote?
What a motley crew)I thought that we came closest to winning the game but really if you can't beat Scunthorpe what hope is there?

My view for many weeks is that this team lacks concentration in all areas of the pitch and it is a team not only of a number of physically weak players but also they are mentally weak and are just not winners.
During the second half Marek played a square ball (that was one of his over-ambitious ones) to Cummings which became a 50/50 and what happened?Cummings didn't even get a tackle in.
For their goal the two softies,Cummings and Kebe allowed their player to put in a cross.Our two central defenders were marking their two strikers but just allowed them to play round the two defenders to create a simple chance.-it was abysmal defending.
Worse was to come when Forte was allowed to stroll through 5(?) of our so-called defensive players and really should have scored.

Both sides were incredibly slow about the pitch apart of course from McAnuff whose form of late has been far ahead of anybody else.
The manager's comments about being "outstanding" are just insulting to us fans,even those sat in the West stand who may not know much about the game.
I would have preferred it if he had said that he was disappointed that with the pressure that we had we didn't convert the chances that could have seen us as clear winners and that we need to tighten up at the back otherwise we are in serious danger of relegation.
Some on here such as Andrew,Winchester and a few others are taken in by this hype but I hope that they are not at the end of the season seen as followers similar to those of King Canute who also couldn't see that a drowning was about to take place.

[M-U-R-T-Y]

I didn't catch the post match interview, can anyone tell me what was said?

[handbags_harris]

Are you not getting a little worried? Our away form is pretty decent t.b.f and a win does make things look more rosy. The trouble is every time we look like pulling clear our home form screws things...

I really do not think relegation is a possibiltiy. Maybe I'm being a naive tit, but that's just my opinion.

If Scunthorpe, Plymouth and Sheff Wed finish above us this season then I'll eat my hat.

We are coming up to the halfway point in the season, we are in 21st place, and three points off the relegation zone. We have won 11 games from 41 in 2009, scoring 42 goals, conceding 49 (33 of which have been this season). We have gained 48 points in that time. That is perilously close to, if not indeed is, relegation form.

In short, the way things are going, relegation IS a possibility. You cannot fail to see that surely?

Over the last 10 years the average number of points that the team in 22nd place has had is 47, brought down somewhat by Leeds and Southampton's 10 point administration penalty.

08/09 Norwich City 46
07/08 Leicester City 52
06/07 Southend United 42
05/06 Crewe Alexandra 42
04/05 Gillingham 50
03/04 Walsall 51
02/03 Sheffield Wednesday 46
01/02 Crewe Alexandra 49
00/01 Huddersfield Town 48
99/00 Walsall 46

The only reason that the annual points total for Reading isn't lower than it could be is the fact that although Coppell's team didn't play particularly well in the 2nd half of last season, it was invariably set up in such a way that enabled it to grind out a draw in a lot of cases because the defence was good. Rodger's team doesn't appear to have that ability.

[LoyalRoyal22]

I actually think today was one of our better peformances, and it looked like they are starting to take on board what Rodgers wants, some of the football was really good, a fair reflection should have been 4-0, only a lack of finishing prevented that from happening. I also thought our defence was steady for most of the game, with Cisse doing a brilliant job infront of them. How can that peformance be worse than the Palace game, when a fair reflection of todays game should have been 4-0??? we lost 4-2 on tuesday, Dellor a Idiot. I back Rodgers untill end of next season(aslong as we not in league one, ovb) I still think we have a base of a squad to get into Mid table over the next couple of months, then push on next season, with a better style than we had with Coppell.

Also the amount of people, where i sit( North Stand) who get so impatient and keep shouting `GET IT UP FIELD` , was doing my head in, long passing is not nice on the eye, and not very affective, the best football was when the defence kept it untill there midfield commited themselves, and we just sliced them open, but most of the Reading fans dont understand the game properly.

You can tell we played well, when i cant name one player that had a bad game, i thought Cisse,Pearce,Matejovsky,Mcanuff were the better players, especially Jobi, he reminded me of Glenn Little.

[LoyalRoyal22]

Hopefully, Rodgers knew that anything other than a win today would see him dragged before JM and given his cards. Hence, his outburst. Still, has only strengthened my belief that he is a complete and utter idiot and not worthy of managing our club.

What outburst? He was provoked by a silly question, we were much better today than on tuesday, and he had every right to confront Dellor for a retarded question.

[Ian Royal]

FWIW

IW oxf*rd all if we keep missing gilt edged chances

We won't miss that many every game.......

At least I bloody well hope we won't.[/quote]



Why? It's exactly what we've been doing since we actually started creating some chances against Leicester.

I'd also suggest, once again, that whilst Rodgers actions during this specific game are hard to criticise to much, it's his actions and lack of actions throughout the rest of the season that have put us in the position where we could create chance after chance and miss all but one of them.

We can dominate a game like that most weeks and we still won't finish higher than 18th without some significant changes, because: We can't put away a high enough proportion of our chances. We rely on just three players for the vast majority of our goals and chances. And we will conceed at least one goal almost every game.

[strap]

But by your way of thinking you only ever deserve the score you get at the final whistle, and I quite simply do not buy into that way of thinking.

You must have been bloody surprised we got relegated 2 seasons ago then!

And when Bodgers takes us down this year? We won't have deserved it? Can just see the Football League deciding to let us stay up because we "deserved to"?

Please, can we have stop this nonsense. We are 21st for a very good reason. There are 20 teams who have amassed more points than us in the season so far. We may feel we are better than some of them, we may feel we should have beaten more of them more often. Howver, we didn't. Bodgers is the team manager. He puts the squad together, he picks the team, he decides tactics. He is ultimately responsible for our league position. No Scunthorpe's keeper, nit the crossbar, not the referee.

[North Somerset Royal]

Whilst I do not agree with Tim Dellor that todays was a worse performance than Tuesdays I nearly choked on my post match coffee when Brenda said that it was much better. Intruth the only difference was that Scunny are a poor team who came for a point and therefore were happy to allow us posession whereas Palace are a much more formidable outfit with a a manager who knows how to get the best out of his teams. Having seen practically every game this season I do not see that we have made any progress at all and having been a keen supporter of Brenda at the outset his ridiculous comments and poor team selection/ substitutions have led me to conclude that he knows leven ess about football than Royalee.

[Victor Meldrew]

Why do people keep coming on here and saying that we should have won something or other be that 4,5 or 6 to NIL.
Scunthorpe scored a goal and had two other gilt-edged chances so the idea of NIL is clearly stupid.
Can't you see that our defensive five is very shaky in every game and as we all know teams are built from the back?
At least the RTGs have stopped talking about luck-it's bad finishing and bad defending that produce results,not bad luck.

[LoyalRoyal22]

Funny how losing points in a game we deserved to win has gone from being 'unlucky' 2 years ago, to managerial ineptitude now.

Agreed. Our fans are just bitter because we not in prawn sandwhich land anymore. Rodgers is doing a good job, and we are starting to see progression, this project will take time, the best clubs are run by managers that had faith kept in them when they started slowly.

[winchester_royal]

We are coming up to the halfway point in the season, we are in 21st place, and three points off the relegation zone. We have won 11 games from 41 in 2009, scoring 42 goals, conceding 49 (33 of which have been this season). We have gained 48 points in that time. That is perilously close to, if not indeed is, relegation form.

In short, the way things are going, relegation IS a possibility. You cannot fail to see that surely?

Over the last 10 years the average number of points that the team in 22nd place has had is 47, brought down somewhat by Leeds and Southampton's 10 point administration penalty.

08/09 Norwich City 46
07/08 Leicester City 52
06/07 Southend United 42
05/06 Crewe Alexandra 42
04/05 Gillingham 50
03/04 Walsall 51
02/03 Sheffield Wednesday 46
01/02 Crewe Alexandra 49
00/01 Huddersfield Town 48
99/00 Walsall 46

The only reason that the annual points total for Reading isn't lower than it could be is the fact that although Coppell's team didn't play particularly well in the 2nd half of last season, it was invariably set up in such a way that enabled it to grind out a draw in a lot of cases because the defence was good. Rodger's team doesn't appear to have that ability.

Obviously if we carry on at our current point a game rate we may well go down, I happen to think we'll do better than that.

That's just my opinion though of course.

[winchester_royal]

But by your way of thinking you only ever deserve the score you get at the final whistle, and I quite simply do not buy into that way of thinking.

unfortunately though, you only get points based on the score at the final and not what you may think we deserved.

Goals win games, not hitting the crossbar, not forcing good saves.....

Thank you for explaining the basic rules of football to me.

[Wycombe Royal]

But by your way of thinking you only ever deserve the score you get at the final whistle, and I quite simply do not buy into that way of thinking.

unfortunately though, you only get points based on the score at the final and not what you may think we deserved.

Goals win games, not hitting the crossbar, not forcing good saves.....

Thank you for explaining the basic rules of football to me.

Well you seem to be struggling to grasp it.....

[winchester_royal]

Well you seem to be struggling to grasp it.....

Hardly.

[Rex]

The reaction to the interview was the signs of a manager finally showing the pressure. He showed a heavy lashing of arrogance in the interview and for once Dellor never sat on the simpering fence.

Oh and for those still in dreamland living on the past glories of the prem years, this is here, right now and we are in the shit. So much so even a digger, air sea rescue or the fcuking life guard couldn't get us out of this hole.

[handbags_harris]

It is not unlucky to miss so many chances.

But hitting the bar twice and being thwarted by several good saves by the opposing keeper is.

To continually spurn such glorious opportunities as the ones we had today is ineptitude, not unlucky. We continually missed from inside the area, looking at the text on the OS and deducing what they were from memory we had eleven great opportunities to score and only took one. That is inadequate finishing, not unlucky. I don't care whether the 'keeper saved it, or we hit the bar or put it wide. The 'keeper saving a shot shouldn't be such a surprise seeing as that's what he's there for, and hitting the frame of the goal from 6 yards is inexcusable in any circumstances. Inadequate, NOT unlucky.

[winchester_royal]

It is not unlucky to miss so many chances.

But hitting the bar twice and being thwarted by several good saves by the opposing keeper is.

To continually spurn such glorious opportunities as the ones we had today is ineptitude, not unlucky. We continually missed from inside the area, looking at the text on the OS and deducing what they were from memory we had eleven great opportunities to score and only took one. That is inadequate finishing, not unlucky. I don't care whether the 'keeper saved it, or we hit the bar or put it wide. The 'keeper saving a shot shouldn't be such a surprise seeing as that's what he's there for, and hitting the frame of the goal from 6 yards is inexcusable in any circumstances. Inadequate, NOT unlucky.

But is BR not unlucky that that's how it turned out? If I was him I'd be feeling as if the whole world was against me TBH.

[Wycombe Royal]

Well you seem to be struggling to grasp it.....

Hardly.

No hardly about it,.....