Man FridayWycombe Royal The scorer was onside when the ball was initially played by Forte (I think he was marginally offside when it got deflected BOLLOX IT WAS - IT WAS LEVEL). Everything else is irrelevant. The referee got it right and whether that was by luck or by judgement does not matter.
TBM but your diagram shows the ball going forward, towards the man who is offside - on Saturday the original pass was going about 12 yards behind the goalscorer intended for another player.
coyrlsTBM but your diagram shows the ball going forward, towards the man who is offside - on Saturday the original pass was going about 12 yards behind the goalscorer intended for another player.
You don't get it do you. The intention of the player who passes the ball and the direction of the pass don't come in to it. The judgment is has the player in an offside position (and you can be in an offside position without committing an offside offence), gained advantage from being in that position? Given that the deflection off a defender does not constitute a new phase of play, if the deflection arrives at a player who was in an offside position at the time the original pass was made then that player gains an advantage by virtue of his offside position an offside offence has been committed.
So the only important fact is was the Scunthorpe player in an offiside position at the time of the original pass? The evidence posted from screenshots shows that he was not in an offisde position and therefore the referee was correct. One thing I would say is that it was a very tight decision and unless he consulted with his assistant referee, the referee was not in a position to make the call. Finally given the tightness of the decision there was no way that the decision could have been obvious to everybody in the stadium as some people here appear to believe.
TBMcoyrlsTBM but your diagram shows the ball going forward, towards the man who is offside - on Saturday the original pass was going about 12 yards behind the goalscorer intended for another player.
You don't get it do you. The intention of the player who passes the ball and the direction of the pass don't come in to it. The judgment is has the player in an offside position (and you can be in an offside position without committing an offside offence), gained advantage from being in that position? Given that the deflection off a defender does not constitute a new phase of play, if the deflection arrives at a player who was in an offside position at the time the original pass was made then that player gains an advantage by virtue of his offside position an offside offence has been committed.
So the only important fact is was the Scunthorpe player in an offiside position at the time of the original pass? The evidence posted from screenshots shows that he was not in an offisde position and therefore the referee was correct. One thing I would say is that it was a very tight decision and unless he consulted with his assistant referee, the referee was not in a position to make the call. Finally given the tightness of the decision there was no way that the decision could have been obvious to everybody in the stadium as some people here appear to believe.
The flag didn't go up until the deflection happened, the lino thought it happened off a Scunthorpe player so put the flag up.........the ref saw it came off a Reading player, hence it was not offside
TBMcoyrlsTBM but your diagram shows the ball going forward, towards the man who is offside - on Saturday the original pass was going about 12 yards behind the goalscorer intended for another player.
You don't get it do you. The intention of the player who passes the ball and the direction of the pass don't come in to it. The judgment is has the player in an offside position (and you can be in an offside position without committing an offside offence), gained advantage from being in that position? Given that the deflection off a defender does not constitute a new phase of play, if the deflection arrives at a player who was in an offside position at the time the original pass was made then that player gains an advantage by virtue of his offside position an offside offence has been committed.
So the only important fact is was the Scunthorpe player in an offiside position at the time of the original pass? The evidence posted from screenshots shows that he was not in an offisde position and therefore the referee was correct. One thing I would say is that it was a very tight decision and unless he consulted with his assistant referee, the referee was not in a position to make the call. Finally given the tightness of the decision there was no way that the decision could have been obvious to everybody in the stadium as some people here appear to believe.
The flag didn't go up until the deflection happened, the lino thought it happened off a Scunthorpe player so put the flag up.........the ref saw it came off a Reading player, hence it was not offside
Wycombe Royal It was not offside because he wasn't offside regardless of who it came off. The lino got it wrong full stop.
TBMWycombe Royal It was not offside because he wasn't offside regardless of who it came off. The lino got it wrong full stop.
Tell that to Jay who seems to think it should have been offside.
All im saying is the flag didn't go up UNTIL the deflection - not from the original pass......the ref didn't allow it cos he saw the man wasn't offside, he allowed it cos when the flag went up from the deflection, he saw it came off a Reading player.
Wycombe Royal It was not offside because he wasn't offside regardless of who it came off. The lino got it wrong full stop.
coyrlsWycombe Royal It was not offside because he wasn't offside regardless of who it came off. The lino got it wrong full stop.
In fact if the ball had touched a Scunthorpe player instead of a Reading player he would have been offside, as the law uses the phrase: "at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team".
Hoop BlahcoyrlsWycombe Royal It was not offside because he wasn't offside regardless of who it came off. The lino got it wrong full stop.
In fact if the ball had touched a Scunthorpe player instead of a Reading player he would have been offside, as the law uses the phrase: "at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team".
You mean IF he'd been in an offside position as opposed to level with the two Reading defenders?
coyrlsHoop Blahcoyrls In fact if the ball had touched a Scunthorpe player instead of a Reading player he would have been offside, as the law uses the phrase: "at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team".
You mean IF he'd been in an offside position as opposed to level with the two Reading defenders?
I think the whole subject of this debate is that he was level with the two Reading defenders at the time the ball was passed but in an offside position when it deflected off the Reading player. As it was a Reading player it deflected off, his position at the time of the deflection was not relevant. If it had deflected off a Scunthorpe player, his position would have been relevant and it would have been an offside offence.
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He was ONSIDE both when the ball was passed AND when it defelcted. He was NEVER in an offisde position which makes all this arguing totally and utterly irrelevant.
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He was ONSIDE both when the ball was passed AND when it defelcted. He was NEVER in an offisde position which makes all this arguing totally and utterly irrelevant.
OK, that's not they way I saw it. I can't believe the referee overruled his assistant because he could see he was onside after the deflection from the position in which he was standing. I think it's more likely he put the question OK he was offside after the deflection but was he onside when the pass was made?
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He was ONSIDE both when the ball was passed AND when it defelcted. He was NEVER in an offisde position which makes all this arguing totally and utterly irrelevant.
OK, that's not they way I saw it. I can't believe the referee overruled his assistant because he could see he was onside after the deflection from the position in which he was standing. I think it's more likely he put the question OK he was offside after the deflection but was he onside when the pass was made?
Go and watch the highlights on the beeb website. Then you and TBM might just shut up about it.
TBM But Jay you posted a diagram of a pass going forwards before the deflection....
Can you find one that shows a pass backwards then taking a deflection forwards, please!
So if the ball is played back by Red Attacker A to Red Attacker B that is not offside. Now Defender Blue A deflects the ball to Attacker C who is in an offside position that will be called offside when Attacker C touches the ball as he has gained an advantage by being in an offside position. The key here is whether Blue A exterted any control over the ball and a deflection is most defintely not control. The direction the ball is played is not part of Law 11. In fact if the ball was played back by Red A and Red C runs back from an offside position to play the ball that will be called offside even if he touches the ball in an onside position. Offside is determined the moment the ball is played by his team mate.
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