World Cup Bid

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Re: World Cup Bid

by BR2 » 02 Dec 2010 14:49

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Svlad Cjelli The biggest difference is that the English bid has existing stadia and training facilities, in the main - the others require massive investment to make them happen.


Is that a positive though? In the eyes of FIFA I think the biggest difference is that by going to Russia they're spreading the word and leaving behind a bigger legacy in terms of facilities and structure.

I think they like that aspect a hell of a lot as it's the reason they went to places like USA and Korea/Japan, to bring football to a new audience blah blah blah. They can't do that every tournament so lets hope that 2018 is one they give to a proper footballing nation (yes I know it's a main stream sport in Russia but it's not on the same scale, hence the difference in stadia requirements).


I think the legacy aspect might be important.
What change would take place in England if we have another world cup?
Everybody in England knows about football,everybody plays it and watches either live or on TV.
It is already a massive commercial exercise and in fact it might even now be becoming a turn-off because of the indulgences of those involved in the Premier League and in fact England could be a good example of how dreadful professional football can become.
I think our only case is that it's been such a long time since we had it before especially with Spain only going back 28 years compared with our 44.

Everything may well already be in place to stage a tournament and in fact I think we were on standby in case South Africa didn't get their act together however the tournament is in nearly 8 years time so Russia would have every chance to get everything sorted in time just as South Africa did.

I went to 2 games in 1966 and it was great to go because TV coverage was so much less than today but as somebody said earlier they can't get too excited about going to Bristol and watching Poland v Saudi Arabia so it is possibly only the England games that most would want to go and watch-people on the other topic showed that English football is what they want to watch,not Johnny Foreigner even if Johnny Foreigner is so much better.

The whole presentation thing is sick-power point presentations by famous people in suits and slimeball politicians creeping around power-crazy administrators in sleezy hotel rooms,my how this simple little game that we love has become literally a political football.
BTW to Schards how do you know that our bid is not corrupt or is it just Johnny Foreigner again?

We'll be put out of our suspense shortly and as Soggy said whatever way it goes can we just accept it and if it goes against us then be gracious and further accept that those other countries don't like us very much and don't go all orgasmic (as MrA did earlier) at the sight of three spivs in suits, Dave,Dave and Wills prostituting themselves.

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Re: World Cup Bid

by swansea jack » 02 Dec 2010 14:54

southbank1871 Ooh SJ, you're sooo worldy what with all your travelling and that


Why thank you.

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Re: World Cup Bid

by southbank1871 » 02 Dec 2010 15:00

BR2 I went to 2 games in 1966 and it was great to go because TV coverage was so much less than today but as somebody said earlier they can't get too excited about going to Bristol and watching Poland v Saudi Arabia so it is possibly only the England games that most would want to go and watch-people on the other topic showed that English football is what they want to watch,not Johnny Foreigner even if Johnny Foreigner is so much better.


What a massive generalisation, which I think only really applies to the 'new breed' of football fan such as Ian Royal. I'd actually argue that there are millions of people in this country who would like to go to any world cup match if we won the bid. I love the world cup and know I would.

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Re: World Cup Bid

by Maguire » 02 Dec 2010 15:09

I don't really buy the legacy argument all that much to be honest - we're up against Russia, Belgium/Netherlands and Spain/Portugal after all, not Australia/Japan/USA etc. None of these are exaclty footballing backwaters.

Personally I think with Euro 2000 and Euro 2004 having been in the low countries and Portugal that i'd prefer the WC to go elsewhere, just in terms of hosting a major football tournament.

With the exclusion from bidding of any country whose confederation has hosted one of the previous two world cups, if we don't win this then it'll be 20 years (I think) before we might conceivably host it again. That's why it's such a big deal to win it now for me.

Also disagree with BR2 - England is a country where you can guarantee that people will turn up for matches unlike somewhere like South Africa.

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by rabidbee » 02 Dec 2010 15:13

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No. The 'shit side of the bridge' :wink:

There appears to be a contradiction in your post.


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Re: World Cup Bid

by Silver Fox » 02 Dec 2010 15:14

Don't stress about it BR2, you'll be long gone by 2018 so it's not really going to be your problem. I can't imagine how much seeing Beckham deliver such a good speech must have hurt you when you're not supporting our bid

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Re: World Cup Bid

by swansea jack » 02 Dec 2010 15:15

Maguire I don't really buy the legacy argument all that much to be honest - we're up against Russia, Belgium/Netherlands and Spain/Portugal after all, not Australia/Japan/USA etc. None of these are exaclty footballing backwaters.

Personally I think with Euro 2000 and Euro 2004 having been in the low countries and Portugal that i'd prefer the WC to go elsewhere, just in terms of hosting a major football tournament.

With the exclusion from bidding of any country whose confederation has hosted one of the previous two world cups, if we don't win this then it'll be 20 years (I think) before we might conceivably host it again. That's why it's such a big deal to win it now for me.

Also disagree with BR2 - England is a country where you can guarantee that people will turn up for matches unlike somewhere like South Africa.


A lot of this was due to the prices being too high and the poor ticketing system.

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Re: World Cup Bid

by Row Z Royal » 02 Dec 2010 15:15

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BR2 I went to 2 games in 1966 and it was great to go because TV coverage was so much less than today but as somebody said earlier they can't get too excited about going to Bristol and watching Poland v Saudi Arabia so it is possibly only the England games that most would want to go and watch-people on the other topic showed that English football is what they want to watch,not Johnny Foreigner even if Johnny Foreigner is so much better.


What a massive generalisation, which I think only really applies to the 'new breed' of football fan such as Ian Royal. I'd actually argue that there are millions of people in this country who would like to go to any world cup match if we won the bid. I love the world cup and know I would.


Yep, absolutely. It's the World Cup!

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Re: World Cup Bid

by rabidbee » 02 Dec 2010 15:26

swansea jack A lot of this was due to the prices being too high and the poor ticketing system.


that's always the case, though, isn't it? Like insisting you can only buy tickets with a MasterCard.


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Re: World Cup Bid

by exileinleeds » 02 Dec 2010 15:29

England bid team allegedly "looking glum" Qutar looking happy...

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Re: World Cup Bid

by PlasticRoyale » 02 Dec 2010 15:30

Grim english faces according to twitter

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Re: World Cup Bid

by Red » 02 Dec 2010 15:30

God this is tedious - BBC filling the time by going to crowds of people cheering around the country.

Nothing more annoying than a crowd with a camera panned onto them "going mental".

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Re: World Cup Bid

by Row Z Royal » 02 Dec 2010 15:31

PlasticRoyale Grim english faces according to twitter


Must be Tweeting from Manchester.


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Re: World Cup Bid

by Red » 02 Dec 2010 15:31

200 people turned up at the stadium in MK to watch the announcement. Heaven help us.

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Re: World Cup Bid

by Royal Lady » 02 Dec 2010 15:31

Red God this is tedious - BBC filling the time by going to crowds of people cheering around the country.

Nothing more annoying than a crowd with a camera panned onto them "going mental".

At MK Dons' football ground! LOL

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Re: World Cup Bid

by cmonurz » 02 Dec 2010 15:32

No Hoops It seems that the Russians have played Roulette and shot themselves.

Portugal/Spain V England

FIFA do not really like joint bids due to the previous problems.

Hope we get it, I missed the last England WC by a year!!


If the Russians really aren't in it, Spain/Portugal are apparently 5/1 at the moment.....

LOL if Qatar come out of nowhere and get it.

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Re: World Cup Bid

by winchester_royal » 02 Dec 2010 15:33

We've lost.

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Re: World Cup Bid

by southbank1871 » 02 Dec 2010 15:34

cmonurz
No Hoops It seems that the Russians have played Roulette and shot themselves.

Portugal/Spain V England

FIFA do not really like joint bids due to the previous problems.

Hope we get it, I missed the last England WC by a year!!


If the Russians really aren't in it, Spain/Portugal are apparently 5/1 at the moment.....

LOL if Qatar come out of nowhere and get it.


Qatar are going for 2022

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Re: World Cup Bid

by rabidbee » 02 Dec 2010 15:34

Qatar are only bidding for 2022.

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Re: World Cup Bid

by exileinleeds » 02 Dec 2010 15:35

Abramovich looking smug. Nothing new there then.

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