QPR points deduction?

[brendywendy]

So they should be rewarded for their (alleged) rule breaking with promotion and four years' parachute payments?

That's quite a disincentive to any other clubs wanting to take a tilt at the big time.

I understand your sentiments but it's simply too late to act this season. The punishment needs to be futuristic..

Death by lazer!

edit-damn you muskrat

[Muskrat]

So they should be rewarded for their (alleged) rule breaking with promotion and four years' parachute payments?

That's quite a disincentive to any other clubs wanting to take a tilt at the big time.

I understand your sentiments but it's simply too late to act this season. The punishment needs to be futuristic..

Death by lazer!

edit-damn you muskrat

Gotta get up early to beat me in a punathon!

[Silver Fox]

Lucky Spacey didn't get there first or we'd all have learnt the name of the prison island off Mega City One that Colin was going to be sent to

[andrew1957]

I really hope there is no points deduction as it is almost certain we will play QPR in the semi if they are deducted 10 points or so. As others have said we then lose Leigertwood for the tie which would be grossly unfair on Reading and could give QPR the edge.

If this happens and we lose - I hope our Chairman sues everyone for a potential £90M loss of earnings.

[Silver Fox]

Combining the "we should appeal if it affects us" meme and the "I hope they don't get punished in such a way as it would mean we played them w/o Leigertwood" meme must mark that as a contender for stupidest post on this thread

Seriously people, you can't ask for QPR to punished but then beef if it affects us

[andrew1957]

Combining the "we should appeal if it affects us" meme and the "I hope they don't get punished in such a way as it would mean we played them w/o Leigertwood" meme must mark that as a contender for stupidest post on this thread

Seriously people, you can't ask for QPR to punished but then beef if it affects us

The point is that at this stage of the season a point deduction would be potentially unfair on several other clubs as the season will be distorted. I am not saying QPR should not be punished. If they are guilty of major breaches then a relegation commuted to remaining in the division is the only way to go. If the breach is minor the penalty should just be a fine. A points deduction is simply an unfair solution all round and I very much doubt it will happen as either it will be a token gesture or it will throw the play offs into absolute chaos.

[brendywendy]

Combining the "we should appeal if it affects us" meme and the "I hope they don't get punished in such a way as it would mean we played them w/o Leigertwood" meme must mark that as a contender for stupidest post on this thread

Seriously people, you can't ask for QPR to punished but then beef if it affects us

agreed


in fact this is almost certain to happen now, purely due to Karma related to our 30 odd page thread wishing doom and gloom on another football club

i hope youre all happy

[Sarah Star]

Has anyone answered my query as to who QPR appeal to, if they appeal? Surely it's the same panel who make the judgement in the first place - so why would they change their minds?

A different panel within the FA, composed of different people within the FA.

What's "independent" about the FA's Independent Regulatory Commission that's in charge of this first hearing?

[Man Friday]

Death by lazer!

edit-damn you muskrat

Like it.

[Deadlock]

So they should be rewarded for their (alleged) rule breaking with promotion and four years' parachute payments?

That's quite a disincentive to any other clubs wanting to take a tilt at the big time.

I understand your sentiments but it's simply too late to act this season. The punishment needs to be futuristic. Clearly there needs to be an adjustment over parachute payments.

Svlad gave a link earlier, which itself linked to this post on a Swansea fans' site:-

Many people have said that the FA have screwed up by delaying the decision until the last week of the season, I think this is entirely deliberate and is ultimately the right way to have handled this - consider the Swindon example from 1990. The charges against Swindon were identified well before the end of season playoffs but the FA sensibly allowed the season to run its course with all teams trying their best. Some might say it was cruel to Swindon fans to let them experience promotion however had they lost the playoffs presumably they would have been relegated to what became League One, instead of back to the Championship i.e they faced a one division relegation as their penalty regardless of how they finished up. I think the FA are using this as a precedent, to give no indication of a points deduction so that all teams play to their potential without bringing the integrity of this Championship season into question. QPR may need to gain promotion to the Premier League in order that they are relegated back to the Championship and not League One as with the Swindon case.

Consider if QPR had been given a 10 point, 30 point or even a relegation as a punishment announced in March. How would this have affected their own players approach to remaining matches and what impact would that have had on the points earned by the teams they later played who could have had an unfair advantage playing against a team that had psychologically imploded. Far more sensible to delay any announcement so that everyone assumes no points will be deducted, so the chasing pack give it their all and assume that 3rd place misses auto-promotion, and 7th place misses the play-offs. This would ensure that no one can have any complaints of unfair advantage when a decision is made.

Also if a relegation is the penalty imposed then if this had been announced in March it would have meant QPR would have had to gain promotion to the Premier League to ensure they stayed in the Championship. This would clearly be an intolerable position to put them in at that time or indeed for the other clubs so the FA, by delaying the decision, have ensured the integrity of the season, and also giving a massive hidden clue that a points deduction at least is guaranteed. Consider the alternative, if it was just a fine then impose it now, why wait?

(looks like Tinrib read the same site)

[Royal Lady]

^^ This is what I have been alluding to - albeit not quite so well!! Fingers crossed that Swansea fan is 100% spot on!!

[Maguire]

Why don't we all just wait to hear the verdict before we get all crazy, eh?

[Royal Lady]

Why don't we all just wait to hear the verdict before we get all crazy, eh?

Well, whatever the outcome it is, seemingly, not going to affect the play offs. Even if we finish 4th and Forest finish 5th as a result of a QPR points deduction!

[PlasticRoyale]

would someone be prepared to summarize the last 54 pages?

[Ferris]

would someone be prepared to summarize the last 54 pages?

QPR might get a massive fine, no fine, lots of points deducted, no points deducted, relegated, promoted and/or a telling off. We'll find out on Friday.

[TFF]

would someone be prepared to summarize the last 54 pages?

QPR might get a massive fine, no fine, lots of points deducted, no points deducted, relegated, promoted and/or a telling off. We'll find out on Friday.

you missed off "not guilty"

[Royal Rother]

would someone be prepared to summarize the last 54 pages?

PM Tredder, he's the only one whose been paying close attention.

[Ferris]

would someone be prepared to summarize the last 54 pages?

QPR might get a massive fine, no fine, lots of points deducted, no points deducted, relegated, promoted and/or a telling off. We'll find out on Friday.

you missed off "not guilty"

That's covered under 'no fine... no points deducted... promoted'.

[Royal Lady]

For reasons best known (and kept) to himself - Simon Church has declared that he doesn't want QPR docked points.

[Svlad Cjelli]

For reasons best known (and kept) to himself - Simon Church has declared that he doesn't want QPR docked points.

Not really - the Epo headline says :

Don't dock QPR points - says Reading FC striker

... but the actual quote from Church says something quite different :

They have done fantastic to get where they are.

It would be disappointing if they got the points deducted, but if that’s how they see it then fair enough.

We now want to be the third team to be promoted.

We always believed that we could get to the play-offs and we wrote down what we needed to do. It’s worked and the team have been fantastic recently.

The manager has been brilliant too with his team selections and squads and it is a good place to be right now.