New Contracts

[Wycombe Royal]

So it proves then that you don't have to score goals to be the best right winger. Thank you.

[brendywendy]

75% of matches for mcanuff?!

lol

[urz13]

Certainly agree with scrapping Antonio, though I think you're being slightly unfair to HRK given his most recent form.

I don't see what he's done in the last few weeks to give everyone the impression that he is a good player. He makes far to many errors and this leads to people being surprised when he doesn't mess up. In my opinion I'd play Taylor ahead of HRK.

scored goals, set up goals, won games, got in crosses, beat players, outmuscle players
etc, etc, etc

His crossing is dire, he often runs the ball out of play, I remember one time vs Derby he beat his man, had a chance to cross, didn't, tried to beat him again, lost the ball then tackled him and conceded a throw in, and the crowd clapped him for it! I can think of plenty more examples

[urz13]

Compare, Little general work rate and turning up I'd say in the 90% of matches with Kebes 50% and McAnuff some where inbetween say 75%. In the grand scheme of things none of them are goal machines.

If Kebe can play 74 matches making 34 goals even if he only turns up for half of them, then that's 34 goals made/scored in 37 games. Assuming he steps it up to around the 70% mark next season he'd be well on the way to making/scoring 35 goals in a season.

[Snowball]

So it proves then that you don't have to score goals to be the best right winger. Thank you.

No it doesn't, numb-nuts.

It means IF you get a LOT of assists you don't need to score.

if you get LESS assists, you DO need to score.

It's the combination of either making goals or scoring goals.


A winger who gets 8 goals a season with zero assists = not great

A winger who gets 0 goals a season with 8 assists = not great goals and 9

A winger who gets 3/4 goals a season and 8/9 assists is "OK"


One who gets 12 goals with 7 assists is BETTER



You act as if McAnuff is some genius assister with his 8 while Kebe gets 7 but scores 9 goals, Long gets TEN and scores 25 goals.

Stephen Hunt had 20 assists in a season AND scored 7 goals

Kebe's three full seasons look a lot better than Jobi's

He has twice the assists/goals in 1.31 times Jobi's games

38 (04) 11 + 02 Goals
33 (13) 07 + 12 Goals
38 (03) 07 + 09 Goals

109 (20) = 112 Games for 48 Assists/Goals = a goal or assist every 2.33 Games = Kebe is streets clear.
085 (00) = 085 Games for 24 Assists/Goals = a goal or assist every 3.54 Games

[brendywendy]

I don't see what he's done in the last few weeks to give everyone the impression that he is a good player. He makes far to many errors and this leads to people being surprised when he doesn't mess up. In my opinion I'd play Taylor ahead of HRK.

scored goals, set up goals, won games, got in crosses, beat players, outmuscle players
etc, etc, etc

His crossing is dire, he often runs the ball out of play, I remember one time vs Derby he beat his man, had a chance to cross, didn't, tried to beat him again, lost the ball then tackled him and conceded a throw in, and the crowd clapped him for it! I can think of plenty more examples

congratulations to you.fortunately you dont have to put every cross onto a strikers head to be classed a decent player

you asked the question :

I don't see what he's done in the last few weeks to give everyone the impression that he is a good player

and i answered. what you do with that information is frankly up to you.

the fact remains that while he is neither crap all the time, or amazing all the time, most people watching him at the end of the season could see hed come on alot and developed into a half decent player.
that you refuse to see it, just says that your hatred of HRK has blinded you to his improvement.

imo of course

[brendywendy]

Compare, Little general work rate and turning up I'd say in the 90% of matches with Kebes 50% and McAnuff some where inbetween say 75%. In the grand scheme of things none of them are goal machines.

If Kebe can play 74 matches making 34 goals even if he only turns up for half of them, then that's 34 goals made/scored in 37 games. Assuming he steps it up to around the 70% mark next season he'd be well on the way to making/scoring 35 goals in a season.

this i s agree with.

[Wycombe Royal]

So it proves then that you don't have to score goals to be the best right winger. Thank you.

No it doesn't, numb-nuts.

It means IF you get a LOT of assists you don't need to score.

There is no need to start name calling.

But you have proven that you don't need to score goals to be the best right winger. That is my point and you have even agreed with me. You mentioned assists not me.

Glen Little is probably our best right winger ever. He did not score many goals. Point proven.

[RoyalX]

So it proves then that you don't have to score goals to be the best right winger. Thank you.

No it doesn't, numb-nuts.

It means IF you get a LOT of assists you don't need to score.

if you get LESS assists, you DO need to score.

It's the combination of either making goals or scoring goals.

Eh, at least you now agree with me that scoring goals isn't the most important attribute for a winger. Now to carry on...

To go back to what I originally said, I would rather have a winger playing on the wing and a striker playing up front. I'm lead to believe that a large part of Waghorn's dip in form was due to him playing out on the wing, when naturally he's a striker. Furthermore, his goalscoring dropped dramatically. It's not fair to say he'd get x goals from the wing because there is not an exact conversion between the two - strikers will often score a lot less if they're stuck out on the wing (see also Kevin Doyle, Gabby Agbonlahor, etc.)

Finally, if you've not been convinced by any of that: Gregorz Rasiak had a decent goals record for us, I would most certainly not want him on the wing.

I realise I haven't used any of stats to back this up but I hope you are able to understand where I'm coming from regardless.

[Snowball]

Glen Little is probably our best right winger ever. He did not score many goals. Point NOT proven.

As you said probably, I've corrected for you.

A winger's job is to score goals and/or MAKE goals.

Traditionally it was more about making them, but these days we need goals from wingers.

McAnuff does not get a lot (8) of assists. He's "OK", but behind Long and only just
ahead of Kebe (7) who played less and Noel Hunt (7) who played a lot less.

NOR does he score a lot. He gets LOADS of chances but wastes them

127 Shots for 07 goals, that's 18 shots required for a goal: McANUFF
159 Shots for 21 goals, that's 7.5 shots required for a goal KEBE

Shane over the last two seasons, with a quiet time last year and a "barren patch" this year has had 148 Shots for 34 goals, 4.35 shots required for a goal.

Maybe, if he's not a great goal-scorer, Jobi should pass instead of wasting the chances

[Wycombe Royal]

Here we go again, Snowball in can't admit he's wrong shocker (that three times today by the way).

[Snowball]

I'm not wrong Wycombe.

The problem is you seem incapable of holding two facts in your head at the same time


Winger - 20 assists 00 goals very good. Write that down.

Winger - 20 goals 00 assists very good. Write that down.

Winger - 10 Goals and 10 assists very good.

Winger - 3 goals and 9 assists. Ordinary = McAnuff

Winger - 4 goals and 8 assists. Ordinary = McAnuff 2010-11

Winger - 9 goals and 7 assists, pretty damn good = Kebe 2010-11

Winger - 12 goals and 7 assists, pretty damn good = Kebe 2009-10

Winger - 20 assist and 7 goals, amazing = Stephen Hunt 2008-09

Winger - 14 assists and 5 goals, very very very good = Little 2005-06

[RoyalX]

I'm quite hurt that you reply to Wycombe but not me

[Snowball]

I'm quite hurt that you reply to Wycombe but not me

I'm not wrong RoyalX

The problem is you seem incapable of holding two facts in your head at the same time


Winger - 20 assists 00 goals very good. Write that down.

Winger - 20 goals 00 assists very good. Write that down.

Winger - 10 Goals and 10 assists very good.

Winger - 3 goals and 9 assists. Ordinary = McAnuff

Winger - 4 goals and 8 assists. Ordinary = McAnuff 2010-11

Winger - 9 goals and 7 assists, pretty damn good = Kebe 2010-11

Winger - 12 goals and 7 assists, pretty damn good = Kebe 2009-10

Winger - 20 assist and 7 goals, amazing = Stephen Hunt 2008-09

Winger - 14 assists and 5 goals, very very very good = Little 2005-06

[JimmytheJim]

I'm quite hurt that you reply to Wycombe but not me

I'm not wrong RoyalX

The problem is you seem incapable of holding two facts in your head at the same time


Winger - 20 assists 00 goals very good. Write that down.

Winger - 20 goals 00 assists very good. Write that down.

Winger - 10 Goals and 10 assists very good.

Winger - 3 goals and 9 assists. Ordinary = McAnuff

Winger - 4 goals and 8 assists. Ordinary = McAnuff 2010-11

Winger - 9 goals and 7 assists, pretty damn good = Kebe 2010-11

Winger - 12 goals and 7 assists, pretty damn good = Kebe 2009-10

Winger - 20 assist and 7 goals, amazing = Stephen Hunt 2008-09

Winger - 14 assists and 5 goals, very very very good = Little 2005-06

snowball, once again disproving the old stereotype that statisticians are dull, monotonous drones

[RoyalX]

I'm quite hurt that you reply to Wycombe but not me

I'm not wrong RoyalX

The problem is you seem incapable of holding two facts in your head at the same time


Winger - 20 assists 00 goals very good. Write that down.

Winger - 20 goals 00 assists very good. Write that down.

Winger - 10 Goals and 10 assists very good.

Winger - 3 goals and 9 assists. Ordinary = McAnuff

Winger - 4 goals and 8 assists. Ordinary = McAnuff 2010-11

Winger - 9 goals and 7 assists, pretty damn good = Kebe 2010-11

Winger - 12 goals and 7 assists, pretty damn good = Kebe 2009-10

Winger - 20 assist and 7 goals, amazing = Stephen Hunt 2008-09

Winger - 14 assists and 5 goals, very very very good = Little 2005-06

Then you clearly didn't read a jot of what I wrote.

[Ian Royal]

Oh FFS!

I for one hope that McAnuff will agree a new deal - and I think it's pretty likely with Legs here. I think he may well be our best consistently good attacking player and the work he puts in is so important to us.

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

Oh FFS!

I for one hope that McAnuff will agree a new deal - and I think it's pretty likely with Legs here. I think he may well be our best consistently good player and the work he puts in is so important to us.

Im assuming you are referring to Legs ......if you are looking for consistently good in Mcnauff then

[Ian Royal]

Oh FFS!

I for one hope that McAnuff will agree a new deal - and I think it's pretty likely with Legs here. I think he may well be our best consistently good player and the work he puts in is so important to us.

Im assuming you are referring to Legs ......if you are looking for consistently good in McAnuff then

No McAnuff, though Legs is great too, so I'll drop Jobi to attacking player.

[Snowball]

Oh FFS!

I for one hope that McAnuff will agree a new deal - and I think it's pretty likely with Legs here. I think he may well be our best consistently good attacking player and the work he puts in is so important to us.

So what do you mean by consistently good attacking player?

20 assists?

12 Goals?

Both?