Rumour - Howard to Huddersfield

[Extended-Phenotype]

you want to judge him on that factor.

But that’s just paraphrasing me – in context of the whole post, I talked of Legs being brought in so Jem could enjoy a more creative role. My point is, we haven’t seen this. He’s failed as much as Howard in this department, in my opinion.

it's perfectly valid for players to bring no creativity to the party.

Not when the role demands it.

BTW, I need a picture before I decide if I want that kiss!

If I showed you a picture, you’d want more than a kiss, you'd be getting another key cut!

[Ian Royal]

very little creativity in the middle in 05/06
worked a treat.

You fricking joking!? Between them Sidwell, Harper and Gunnarsson scored 21 goals that season! If you've got a pair central midfielders you can rely on to score a combined 12-15 or more goals a season, you don't really need anyone with passing finesse.

We have neither.

Tabb, Howard, Leigertwood and Karacan got 5 between them.

[Snowball]

very little creativity in the middle in 05/06
worked a treat.

You fricking joking!? Between them Sidwell, Harper and Gunnarsson scored 21 goals that season! If you've got a pair central midfielders you can rely on to score a combined 12-15 or more goals a season, you don't really need anyone with passing finesse.

We have neither.

Tabb, Howard, Leigertwood and Karacan got 5 between them.

Add in the 2005-06 wingers' 17 takes you to 38 in a season where we scored 107 (35.5% of all goals)

20 from our wingers this season, plus 5 from those mentioned plus 2 from Gylfi = 27 from 84 (32.1% of all goals)

Not, then, a huge difference, but 2005-06 was an all-conquering side scoring for fun.

[Snowball]

How can we complain about Karacan "since Elwood joined"?

It hardly matters if we get goals through the strikers, wingers, midfielders
or defenders if we are winning games, and Elwood-Karacan as the MF pair
has a stunning league-winning points per game record

[Plymouth_Royal]

How can we complain about Karacan "since Elwood joined"?

It hardly matters if we get goals through the strikers, wingers, midfielders
or defenders if we are winning games, and Elwood-Karacan as the MF pair
has a stunning league-winning points per game record

We can't. Karacan is one hell of a player and has worked on his consistency this season. Every year he gets better and as McD said he is going to have a very good career. If he can add goals and improve his passing slightly he will be better then sidwell IMO.

[Ian Royal]

He's got a lot to do to achieve that though. Passing and scoring is a lot to improve.

I like him, a lot. I'd like him a lot more with Legs if we still had Gylfi to sit in the hole and give us variation through attack.

[brendywendy]

we have taylor for that role.

karacan and legs next season has it in them to be sidwell/harps Mk2

[Extended-Phenotype]

I’m not saying the lad is bad at what he does, I’m saying that the expectation was there that when Legs was brought in to provide solid cover, Karacan would be freed up to be more creative and attacking, something I think we missed in the middle since losing Gylfi and the lacking of which has lead on occasions to us being predictable and one dimensional.

Karacan simply has not stepped up to that gauntlet, and while it has still worked ok with him and Legs being water-carriers, it could work so much better if we actually had a player in the centre who was stronger at dictating plays.

In a 4-5-1, Jem is on the team sheet quicker than Madeleine McCann’s parents drove to the woods. Yet in a 4-4-2 I think we need more qualities from the central pair.

But I don’t sob myself to sleep over it; it still works to a degree.

[Terminal Boardom]

I’m not saying the lad is bad at what he does, I’m saying that the expectation was there that when Legs was brought in to provide solid cover, Karacan would be freed up to be more creative and attacking, something I think we missed in the middle since losing Gylfi and the lacking of which has lead on occasions to us being predictable and one dimensional.

Karacan simply has not stepped up to that gauntlet, and while it has still worked ok with him and Legs being water-carriers, it could work so much better if we actually had a player in the centre who was stronger at dictating plays.

In a 4-5-1, Jem is on the team sheet quicker than Madeleine McCann’s parents drove to the woods. Yet in a 4-4-2 I think we need more qualities from the central pair.

But I don’t sob myself to sleep over it; it still works to a degree.

And having 2 solid central midfielders comes into its own when the wingers are on top of their game and supported by 2 full backs overlapping. I think the reason Karacan and Liegertwood haven't scored as many as they could is because the full backs can't do box to box the way Murty and Shorey did. Therefore, they have to sit a bit deeper.

[Extended-Phenotype]

So you think Jem has been short on creativity because he's (still) being restricted? The point has teeth I guess; when he's had the opportunity he has occasionally played in a good ball or scored a tasty goal. Not with any convincing consistency though.

[brendywendy]

I’m not saying the lad is bad at what he does, I’m saying that the expectation was there that when Legs was brought in to provide solid cover, Karacan would be freed up to be more creative and attacking, something I think we missed in the middle since losing Gylfi and the lacking of which has lead on occasions to us being predictable and one dimensional.

Karacan simply has not stepped up to that gauntlet, and while it has still worked ok with him and Legs being water-carriers, it could work so much better if we actually had a player in the centre who was stronger at dictating plays.

In a 4-5-1, Jem is on the team sheet quicker than Madeleine McCann’s parents drove to the woods. Yet in a 4-4-2 I think we need more qualities from the central pair.

But I don’t sob myself to sleep over it; it still works to a degree.

expectation from whom?


from the club management? from a random supporter/hobnob poster? from yourself?



our most succsesful midfield parnership ever wasnt too disimmilar in terms of creativity
sidders scored more goals than jem i guess, but steaming onto a loose ball on the edge of the box and wellying it is hardly that creative.

[ZacNaloen]

Jem is quite happy to steam forward and welly it on occasion. It's not lack of ability to do so but more the confidence to just go ahead ahead and do it.

[Ian Royal]

we have taylor for that role.

karacan and legs next season has it in them to be sidwell/harps Mk2

Not without adding a goal threat to what they bring. Which they don't have much of at the moment.

Taylor looks a possibility, but he's going to be even more lightweight than Howard, so the chances of him breaking up that partnership is minimal. Which means he'd have to play in the hole with only one striker, that would put massive pressure on such a young and inexperienced player. I know Gylfi did it, but he was a special, special player.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Brendy; are you going through a long period of sexual abstinence? Every post you write seems to bite my head off.

There was an article on the RFC website at the time with an interview with Jem, where he talked about his game becoming more attacking now Legs was on the scene. There was also an interview with Brian at the time, who said Legs would help Jem get forward and be more involved. Many fans I spoke to were also keen to see, in the absence of Gylfi, and the arrival of Legs, whether Karacan would blossom into a more creative midfielder.

Whether it’s his own limitations (my bet) or team/tactical dictation (Zac’s theory), Karacan simply hasn’t looked that dangerous. A bit more creativity in the middle would be the cherry on the cake.

[brendywendy]

we have taylor for that role.

karacan and legs next season has it in them to be sidwell/harps Mk2

Not without adding a goal threat to what they bring. Which they don't have much of at the moment.

Taylor looks a possibility, but he's going to be even more lightweight than Howard, so the chances of him breaking up that partnership is minimal. Which means he'd have to play in the hole with only one striker, that would put massive pressure on such a young and inexperienced player. I know Gylfi did it, but he was a special, special player.

taylor has been touted as better than gylfi at the same age, but who knows how true that is.

im just saying that the 1st season in the prem our central midfielders scored hardly any goals, and we didnt do so badly.

from what ive seen of both legs and karacan they have it in them to bring more goals to the table, and in karacans case that will only improve over time imo

[Ian Royal]

we have taylor for that role.

karacan and legs next season has it in them to be sidwell/harps Mk2

Not without adding a goal threat to what they bring. Which they don't have much of at the moment.

Taylor looks a possibility, but he's going to be even more lightweight than Howard, so the chances of him breaking up that partnership is minimal. Which means he'd have to play in the hole with only one striker, that would put massive pressure on such a young and inexperienced player. I know Gylfi did it, but he was a special, special player.

taylor has been touted as better than gylfi at the same age, but who knows how true that is.

im just saying that the 1st season in the prem our central midfielders scored hardly any goals, and we didnt do so badly.

from what ive seen of both legs and karacan they have it in them to bring more goals to the table, and in karacans case that will only improve over time imo

Sidwell & Harper still scored more. Hell, Harper alone got more in the second season! It's not just about the goals Brendy, it's about the options going forward. Sidwell threatened the box regularly. Karacan and Legs don't really.

We've all heard about highly talented youngsters before. Relying on Taylor to step up after one championship first team performance is foolish. We're light in creativity in the middle as an option to the flanks. We'll do ok without it because Legs and Karacan are both very good players, but they're two parts of a trio IMO. Maybe they'll grow into it like Sid and Harper did.

[brendywendy]

very little creativity in the middle in 05/06
worked a treat.

You fricking joking!? Between them Sidwell, Harper and Gunnarsson scored 21 goals that season! If you've got a pair central midfielders you can rely on to score a combined 12-15 or more goals a season, you don't really need anyone with passing finesse.

We have neither.

Tabb, Howard, Leigertwood and Karacan got 5 between them.

im sorry- when did i say there were very few goals in that midfield. i said creativity, and no one is going to tell be that harps and sidders were creative players.
primarily their role was to break up play, get ball to wingers, sit on edge of oppo box waiting for the ball.

[brendywendy]

How can we complain about Karacan "since Elwood joined"?

It hardly matters if we get goals through the strikers, wingers, midfielders
or defenders if we are winning games, and Elwood-Karacan as the MF pair
has a stunning league-winning points per game record

We can't. Karacan is one hell of a player and has worked on his consistency this season. Every year he gets better and as McD said he is going to have a very good career. If he can add goals and improve his passing slightly he will be better then sidwell IMO.

^^^^

hes already my favourite player- he could be my favourite ever player if he keeps it up

[brendywendy]

Brendy; are you going through a long period of sexual abstinence? Every post you write seems to bite my head off.

There was an article on the RFC website at the time with an interview with Jem, where he talked about his game becoming more attacking now Legs was on the scene. There was also an interview with Brian at the time, who said Legs would help Jem get forward and be more involved. Many fans I spoke to were also keen to see, in the absence of Gylfi, and the arrival of Legs, whether Karacan would blossom into a more creative midfielder.

Whether it’s his own limitations (my bet) or team/tactical dictation (Zac’s theory), Karacan simply hasn’t looked that dangerous. A bit more creativity in the middle would be the cherry on the cake.

im sorry gorgeous.

thats an excellent answer to the question i asked, thankyou
my apologies for snapping at you. i can only surmise that my written posts appear to have a tone i did not intend to put across.im sorry.

[Snowball]

By the looks of it Brendy had sex last night. Maybe twice.