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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by Woodcote Royal » 08 Jul 2011 13:17

sandman He's gone to Leicester because they are showing their ambition. I'm sure money is a factor but nobody wants to lose every week whatever money they're on.


He's gone to Leicester because they've paid a transfer fee and agreed to terms that are not sustainable at this level without parachute payments (which they are not receiving) and what have they got for their money? A centre half who, at his very best, might be worth half the fee paid.

Premiership Wolves were prepared to stump up close to £3 million of their vastly superior budget for Mills but totally unprepared to agree to wage demands of 25-30k a week because their Premiership dressing room contains many players earning much less than that figure :| ...........................our idiot fraternity should look upon this as a very big clue as to how wide of the mark Leicester's "ambitions" are.

Meanwhile, and based on what I saw of them last season, if Leicester want this unstutainable expenditure to have the desired effect, they will need to get much better value for money when strengthening the rest of their squad........................................one can only hope that if they continue in this fashion it will invoke some of the new rules regarding financial responsibilty.

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by sandman » 08 Jul 2011 13:28

Wolves ambition is to stay up Leicester is to go up I know which project I'd find more exciting.

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by Royal Rother » 08 Jul 2011 13:29

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BR2 As I see it the current business model works up to a point but it is asking a lot for it to be maintained.
I'm not sure what the alternative is....


I don't think there is one that would enable the club to stay consistently on the cusp of the PL without spending money we don't have.

There will always be a certain amount of luck involved as to the quality of players coming through the ranks but we are doing everything possible to make it work long-term.

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Shit can happen and if it doesn't work one year and we get relegated sobeit. Because of good policies now we would still be financially secure and that would enable us to compete with whatever League 1 were to throw at us and pop back up pretty quickly
Oh dear. That last premise is entirely founded on the unlikely scenario that the better quality players won't jump ship "for the sake of their careers".
It also assumes that Madstad attendances, and commercial revenue hold up at current levels post relegation.
I beg to differ.
We currently operate at an annual £2M loss at this level.
Even with the inevitable cloth cutting that would ensue, the club's ability to attract the rough diamonds would be diminished, owing to being at a lower level.
Ever decreasing circles.


The sound financial management of the last few years would enable us to start from a stronger position than almost every other club we would be competing with in League 1.

The suggestion we might pop back up pretty quickly is based on that fact alone, and is not in any way "founded on the unlikely scenario that the better quality players won't jump ship".

To really ram it home, if we find ourselves in League 1, surprise surprise, we will be competing with other League 1 clubs and they will all have similar difficulties attracting the quality of players they might expect in the Championship.

But WE would have an advantage over most teams because of our sound Balance Sheet. And because of our thriving academy. And because of the way we treat the players, widely acknowledged as a reason players stay with us longer than might have been expected on occasions. These are all the fruits of SJM's long-term vision from a decade or 2 ago.

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by brendywendy » 08 Jul 2011 13:34

sandman He's gone to Leicester because they are showing their ambition. I'm sure money is a factor but nobody wants to lose every week whatever money they're on.



yeah, no one wants that. but he wasnt going to get that here either was he :roll:

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by Royal Rother » 08 Jul 2011 13:34

sandman Wolves ambition is to stay up Leicester is to go up I know which project I'd find more exciting.

The one which pays more money?


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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by Woodcote Royal » 08 Jul 2011 13:38

sandman Wolves ambition is to stay up Leicester is to go up I know which project I'd find more exciting.


Blinkered Reading fan wants excitement at any cost................surprise, surprise!!


How exciting would you find Bankcuptcy, liquidation, points deductions and any relegations resulting from the afore mentioned?

I thought us amassing 106 points in this division was the most exciting season I've ever witnessed and I'm happy to have £100 with you here and now that Leicester will not top 100pts in this campaign regardless of what they spend.

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by sandman » 08 Jul 2011 13:41

The project that wants to achieve something greater than PL survival or financial stability in a business that is different to all others.

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by floyd__streete » 08 Jul 2011 13:42

How hilarious would it be if Morrison turns out to be complete gash and out of his depth in this division :lol:

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by Gordons Cumming » 08 Jul 2011 13:43

floyd__streete How hilarious would it be if Morrison turns out to be complete gash and out of his depth in this division :lol:


I can feel my sides splitting already.


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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by brendywendy » 08 Jul 2011 13:45

sandman The project that wants to achieve something greater than PL survival or financial stability in a business that is different to all others.



is that something- establishent as a premiere league giant, who stays up in perpetuity, eventually challenging for trophys and champions league status?

if so im saying i dont believe the liklihood of that coming off is worth the risks if it doesnt.

especially when you realise that clubs get up, and stay up without spending massively over their budgets

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by brendywendy » 08 Jul 2011 13:45

floyd__streete How hilarious would it be if Morrison turns out to be complete gash and out of his depth in this division :lol:



about this hilarious: :|

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by specialjon » 08 Jul 2011 13:58

floyd__streete How hilarious would it be if Morrison turns out to be complete gash and out of his depth in this division :lol:


I think that's the case or closer to the truth than him being ready to play Champ football as he's in the squad to play Eastleigh and nobody else near the first team squad is in that squad.

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by floyd__streete » 08 Jul 2011 14:00

specialjon I think that's the case or closer to the truth than him being ready to play Champ football as he's in the squad to play Eastleigh and nobody else near the first team squad is in that squad.


BMc and co are just so desperate to get him up to speed that they are prepared to have him unleashed on Eastleighs forward line who, don't forget, are presumably less good than the dazzling Brett Williams.


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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by sandman » 08 Jul 2011 14:13

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sandman The project that wants to achieve something greater than PL survival or financial stability in a business that is different to all others.



is that something- establishent as a premiere league giant, who stays up in perpetuity, eventually challenging for trophys and champions league status?

if so im saying i dont believe the liklihood of that coming off is worth the risks if it doesnt.

especially when you realise that clubs get up, and stay upwithout spending massively over their budgets


For one maybe two seasons. Coppell said it several times, you need to spend money to survive in the Premier League. We didn't risk going for Europe when we had the chance to continue our momentum and we've gone backwards since. That was until last season and now it appears that we're in the process of shedding this team of the assets.

We can only wait and see but at the moment it's not looking good.

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by DOYLERSAROYALER » 08 Jul 2011 14:30

im afraid that BMc will have to become the new Dynamo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar8_Rg1o ... re=related


....lets not judge the board yet as theres still plenty of days to go before window closes ...but lets be prepared for some BMc magic if nobody comes in !...they say Dynamo is the worlds greatest magican...they may need to watch BM next season :D

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by Hiram K Hackenbacker » 08 Jul 2011 14:51

I agree

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by RoyalBlue » 08 Jul 2011 14:54

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is that something- establishent as a premiere league giant, who stays up in perpetuity, eventually challenging for trophys and champions league status?

if so im saying i dont believe the liklihood of that coming off is worth the risks if it doesnt.

especially when you realise that clubs get up, and stay upwithout spending massively over their budgets


For one maybe two seasons. Coppell said it several times, you need to spend money to survive in the Premier League.


Madejski was also quoted in print stating something like: 'the time will come when big money, and I mean really big money, will need to be spent to keep Reading in the Premier League and I don't want to be around when that time comes'.

Unfortunately he didn't get out in time.

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by under the tin » 08 Jul 2011 14:57

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The sound financial management of the last few years would enable us to start from a stronger position than almost every other club we would be competing with in League 1.

The suggestion we might pop back up pretty quickly is based on that fact alone, and is not in any way "founded on the unlikely scenario that the better quality players won't jump ship".


I'm pretty certain that our club was in a stronger financial position than Norwich were, and they went up, we didnt.
I fully understand that the argument works both ways, you can quote Midlesbrough and Sheff U.
My point is, though, that the league table is determined by results on the grass, not on the balance sheet.

Royal Rother To really ram it home, if we find ourselves in League 1, surprise surprise, we will be competing with other League 1 clubs and they will all have similar difficulties attracting the quality of players they might expect in the Championship.


This paragraph could so easily be edited thus:
To really ram it home, if we find ourselves in the Championship, surprise surprise, we will be competing with other Championship clubs and they will all have similar difficulties attracting the quality of players they might expect in the Premiership.

See what I did there? In the same situation, but at a lower level. Plus ca change....

Royal Rother But WE would have an advantage over most teams because of our sound Balance Sheet. And because of our thriving academy. And because of the way we treat the players, widely acknowledged as a reason players stay with us longer than might have been expected on occasions. These are all the fruits of SJM's long-term vision from a decade or 2 ago.


All this needs is a "canned" standing ovation at the Bournemouth International centre.
Do you write for any of the political parties? :wink:

I notice that you haven't tried to address as to how the income of the club would be affected, and the ramifications to the bugets that are consequential.

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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by Royal Rother » 08 Jul 2011 15:15

I tried to make the the point that the actual ramifications of the budget in League 1 would be largely irrelevant because we'd be in the same boat as all the other teams in the League. Pretty much a level playing field I'd suggest...

It's just that we'd be starting with a healthier Balance Sheet than most which would provide significant advantages. Not the least of which is that whilst other League 1 and 2 clubs have to cut back on their academy and scouting activities we wouldn't have to do that...

A great vision does not produce uninterrupted success but the last 10 years have been an exceptionally good time for the playing side of RFC and there really is no reason to expect that to come grinding to a halt no matter how much other teams are spending.

They are risking their futures (or their owners' fortunes) in order to compensate for their lack of substance in areas where we are wonderfully served. In short, they HAVE to stretch themselves financially to compete with us!!!

(Wow! Superb stuff.... :wink: )
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Re: Mills to Leicester 5 Million

by RoyalBlue » 08 Jul 2011 15:15

DOYLERSAROYALER im afraid that BMc will have to become the new Dynamo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar8_Rg1o ... re=related


....lets not judge the board yet as theres still plenty of days to go before window closes ...


There is a board in name only. At the end of the day (or closure of the transfer window) it will come down to judging the owner.

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