Mills to Leicester 5 Million

[Woodcote Royal]

My point is, though, that the league table is determined by results on the grass, not on the balance sheet.

Hey! Well done

It's just a shame you had to post so much guff before the penny finally dropped.

We got 106pts, and went on to finish 8th in the top flight, with a team that cost shirt buttons and have not finished below 9th in the 2nd tier for almost a decade whilst pursueing the sort of financial prudence that always illuded Gordon Brown and then, there are clubs like Leicester City led by a bottomless pit called Sven...............................

[brendywendy]

put it like this: ~ 5 million pound in total the 106 points team cost.
we then went up, kept the entire team, and only added seol for about 1.5 million quid.
we finished in the top half, just outside the european places on goal difference.
the minute we started buying, and paying inflated fees/wages for new players(fae/halford etc)in outr second season, we went down.
therefore............

[under the tin]

My point is, though, that the league table is determined by results on the grass, not on the balance sheet.

Hey! Well done

It's just a shame you had to post so much guff before the penny finally dropped.

We got 106pts, and went on to finish 8th in the top flight, with a team that cost shirt buttons and have not finished below 9th in the 2nd tier for almost a decade whilst pursueing the sort of financial prudence that always illuded Gordon Brown and then, there are clubs like Leicester City led by a bottomless pit called Sven...............................

Which only goes to show that you have not understood any of my posts on this particular subject.
Financial stability does not start and finish with controlling costs.
It is equally about maintaining your income.

[Woodcote Royal]

Which goes to show (if the last 10 pages haven't already made this abundantly clear) that you know the square route of naff all when it comes to financial success, financial control, maintaining several income streams, knowing what constitutes an income stream or, indeed, that what is currently taking place at Leicester has little to do with any of this.

[Hoop Blah]

...and besides some of this "we can't afford to reinvest it in the team" stuff is so that the clubs we are planning deals with don't start asking ridiculous prices because we just came into 5 million quid.

I've never bought that, it just doesn't seem to ring true in reality. It's not a car boot sale, it's a very incestuous and open industry where the men in the know have a very good idea of what the other side of table have in their wallet.

[Wimb]

FWIW, my take on the Matt Mills transfer

http://thetilehurstend.co.uk/2011/07/08 ... -transfer/

[brendywendy]

nice summary that

[under the tin]

Which goes to show (if the last 10 pages haven't already made this abundantly clear) that you know the square route of naff all when it comes to financial success, financial control, maintaining several income streams, knowing what constitutes an income stream or, indeed, that what is currently taking place at Leicester has little to do with any of this.

So you don't think that the commercial department at Leicester aren't going to milk this kind of activity for all its worth ?
So you think that the exposure generated by marquee signings, like mills, (I'm personally no Mills fan), having an ex England manager (I don't rate him either) is not going to have a positive effect on ticket sales there, is not going to help sell corporate sponsorship, is not going to have a positive effect on merchandising sales, is not going to help sell perimeter and programme advertising, at better rates?
Dear oh dear. If the cap fits......

P.S.
I am just old school. Brought up to believe that customers make paydays possible.

[Hoop Blah]

We certainly milked the signing of Seol for a hell of a lot. I'd love to know how much we made from the knock on effect of signing him.

[Royal Rother]

Which goes to show (if the last 10 pages haven't already made this abundantly clear) that you know the square route of naff all when it comes to financial success, financial control, maintaining several income streams, knowing what constitutes an income stream or, indeed, that what is currently taking place at Leicester has little to do with any of this.

So you don't think that the commercial department at Leicester aren't going to milk this kind of activity for all its worth ?
So you think that the exposure generated by marquee signings, like mills, (I'm personally no Mills fan), having an ex England manager (I don't rate him either) is not going to have a positive effect on ticket sales there, is not going to help sell corporate sponsorship, is not going to have a positive effect on merchandising sales, is not going to help sell perimeter and programme advertising, at better rates?
Dear oh dear. If the cap fits......

P.S.
I am just old school. Brought up to believe that customers make paydays possible.

Signing Matt Mills won't have a noticeable effect on any of Leicester's income streams.

[ZacNaloen]

...and besides some of this "we can't afford to reinvest it in the team" stuff is so that the clubs we are planning deals with don't start asking ridiculous prices because we just came into 5 million quid.

I've never bought that, it just doesn't seem to ring true in reality. It's not a car boot sale, it's a very incestuous and open industry where the men in the know have a very good idea of what the other side of table have in their wallet.

...Reality...

The reality is that we will have been negotiating from a position of austerity, we suddenly come into 5 million and if we don't continue to claim austerity publically and that the money has been ear marked for other expenses anyone we are dealing with try to get a higher price out of us. If we aren't trying to get players as cheap as possible and they aren't trying to get as much as possible out of us I'd have to question what they are doing negotiating deals for the clubs.

[The Rouge]

From twitter...

realmattmills5 Millsy
People will never know what has gone on - leicester is now my next step I'm looking to the future now and very excited

[RoyalBlue]

From twitter...

realmattmills5 Millsy
People will never know what has gone on - leicester is now my next step I'm looking to the future now and very excited

Is this going to turn into another Sig situation with the player not really wanting to leave but being persuaded that it is in his and the club's interests that he does?

...and besides some of this "we can't afford to reinvest it in the team" stuff is so that the clubs we are planning deals with don't start asking ridiculous prices because we just came into 5 million quid.

I've never bought that, it just doesn't seem to ring true in reality. It's not a car boot sale, it's a very incestuous and open industry where the men in the know have a very good idea of what the other side of table have in their wallet.

...Reality...

The reality is that we will have been negotiating from a position of austerity, we suddenly come into 5 million and if we don't continue to claim austerity publically and that the money has been ear marked for other expenses anyone we are dealing with try to get a higher price out of us. If we aren't trying to get players as cheap as possible and they aren't trying to get as much as possible out of us I'd have to question what they are doing negotiating deals for the clubs.

The reality is that the selling clubs are unlikely to be as dumb as to fall for that, particularly if there is other interest in their players. At the end of the day, like any other negotiation, it will come down to what the buyer is prepared/able to pay and what the seller is prepared to sell for. All the rest is just the game of poker before hand. Reading have played the 'no money' game so many times before that I fully expect clubs to call their bluff.

[The Prisoner]

From Matt Mills' twitter feed:

"Don't quite understand all the abuse signed for reading for 1.5 mill ! Finished 8th and 5th last year - loved every min of my time there

People will never know what has gone on - leicester is now my next step I'm looking to the future now and very excited"

Hmmmmmm.

(Soz. On phone so quotes fail)

[Ian Royal]

I tried to make the the point that the actual ramifications of the budget in League 1 would be largely irrelevant because we'd be in the same boat as all the other teams in the League. Pretty much a level playing field I'd suggest...

It's just that we'd be starting with a healthier Balance Sheet than most which would provide significant advantages. Not the least of which is that whilst other League 1 and 2 clubs have to cut back on their academy and scouting activities we wouldn't have to do that...

A great vision does not produce uninterrupted success but the last 10 years have been an exceptionally good time for the playing side of RFC and there really is no reason to expect that to come grinding to a halt no matter how much other teams are spending.

They are risking their futures (or their owners' fortunes) in order to compensate for their lack of substance in areas where we are wonderfully served. In short, they HAVE to stretch themselves financially to compete with us!!!

(Wow! Superb stuff.... )

For one or two it may pay off and result in long term PL football. For a few it may pay off short term and get them brief PL football and then drop down the pile to rebuild and try it again. For some it will result in failure and leave them struggling after a few years. For one or two it might result in some actual financial armageddon.

In the mean while we've got a decent chance of plodding along as we are and consistently threatening to get promoted in something like 2 out of every 3 or 4 seasons.

[howser]

Will admit I struggle to understand the anti Matt Mills comments ? Reading were obviously not prepared to increase his contract to what he thought was acceptable, the club didnt have to accept or let him speak to Leicester, but in doing so he was obviously offered a larger slice of the salary pot, than we were prepared to give him. How many on here would turn down a healthy increase in their monthly wage packet if offered another position with another employer, to me Reading must take a portion of the blame for him leaving, said by many on here to be error prone and slow, maybe but his goals have been more than useful on occassions, and I, probably mistakenly would hope he gets a good reception when he comes back to the Mad Stad with his Leicester side, however reading some of the words written about him since the news broke, the knives are already out for him. In reality he has done no different to Doyle, Sigs, Hunt etc in improving their living standards, thats football, thats what happens. But from me mate, good luck to you Matt hope it all works out for you.

[Royal Rother]

I wouldn't know for myself what he's like as a human being but as a footballer he gave us decent service. The level of hatred pouring forth from the numbskull element on here is, as usual, almost totally unjustified and, tbh, somewhat embarrassing.

[AthleticoSpizz]

agree Howser


but in brief

MM never really won our hearts over....he never would've done that.....even if we had got promoted/won the league at a canter.....there was something missing

....not sure what

[Ian Royal]

Howser, I'm probably one of Mills least biggest fans, I genuinely don't like him. It may releave you a little to know I feel no real need to boo him on his return, certainly in anything other than tongue in cheek pantomine fashion during the game.

He wasn't awful, he didn't do the dirty on us. I just don't think he was what we needed, we could get someone better suited in and I didn't like him.

I certainly won't cheer him. I might give him a polite clap though I guess. He was afterall our captain and put in some very good performances.

[The Rouge]

I find it ridiculous how everyone assumes they know what went on...

'They obviously didn't offer the contract he wanted...'

'Mills wanted to go..'

'Reading wanted shot of him..'

etc etc.

Its football - either the player wanted too much/to move on OR the club really wanted to sell him for that fee. It is probably the latter to be honest but I have no way of knowing that.
But a player has come for somewhere between 1.5-2.5 million (1.5 according to Mills) been thee for two season, then moves on for 4-5 million.
Just accept unless something is clear cut and very public, you don't know what happened.