Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

[roadrunner]

But this is Plymouth, so this is a great appointment.

[Ian Royal]

As mentioned before, that guy is, in footballing terms, one of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse; when he turns up, your team dies.

Peter Ridsdale - Death
Ken Bates - Pestilence

Any other takers? Are we going to need more than the original members of the troop?

[Svlad Cjelli]

As mentioned before, that guy is, in footballing terms, one of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse; when he turns up, your team dies.

Peter Ridsdale - Death
Ken Bates - Pestilence

Any other takers? Are we going to need more than the original members of the troop?

Sam Hamman - War
Steven Vaughan - Famine

[Ian Royal]

Was going to add Hamman but decided to let someone else play... pleased you agree.

[Friday's Legacy]

plymouth argyle fail to pay their players for the 8th consecutive month. is there any chance of more punishments because of this?

[Svlad Cjelli]

plymouth argyle fail to pay their players for the 8th consecutive month. is there any chance of more punishments because of this?

What good would punishments do?

[Bandini]

plymouth argyle fail to pay their players for the 8th consecutive month. is there any chance of more punishments because of this?

What good would punishments do?

Perhaps, with its naval heritage, Plymouth would recognise that Britain find it necessary to shoot a club from time to time...

[floyd__streete]

plymouth argyle fail to pay their players for the 8th consecutive month. is there any chance of more punishments because of this?

What good would punishments do?

Relegate them a division for every month they default on wages.

[Friday's Legacy]

plymouth argyle fail to pay their players for the 8th consecutive month. is there any chance of more punishments because of this?

What good would punishments do?

a points deduction doesn't seem unfair considering this is the 8th consecutive month they have failed to pay their players wages. if that is allowed to happen without some sort of punishment from the fa/football league then there's something very wrong there. do the players have rights? can they walk away for breach of contract?

[Deadlock]

I thought that players could consider themselves released from their contracts if they remained unpaid for three months.

[Svlad Cjelli]

plymouth argyle fail to pay their players for the 8th consecutive month. is there any chance of more punishments because of this?

What good would punishments do?

a points deduction doesn't seem unfair considering this is the 8th consecutive month they have failed to pay their players wages. if that is allowed to happen without some sort of punishment from the fa/football league then there's something very wrong there. do the players have rights? can they walk away for breach of contract?

Yes they can walk away - forget what the period is but it's definitely less than 8 months.

But that club is in deep, deep, financial trouble because of the decisions of the previous owners - how are they ever going to recover and be in a proper state to pay their wages if they're hit with a further points deduction? That will just make them less attractive to supporters and so reduce their income and their chances of survival this season.

Sporting sanctions were designed as a deterrent - clearly they don't work as one - but using them to kick a club that's already down won't make things any better for that club, it'll just make them worse.

Either let them recover - and help them to (not financially, though) - or wind them up, but don't keep adding to their problems for no discernible reason.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

But that club is in deep, deep, financial trouble because of the decisions of the previous owners - how are they ever going to recover and be in a proper state to pay their wages if they're hit with a further points deduction? That will just make them less attractive to supporters and so reduce their income and their chances of survival this season.

Sporting sanctions were designed as a deterrent - clearly they don't work as one - but using them to kick a club that's already down won't make things any better for that club, it'll just make them worse.

Either let them recover - and help them to (not financially, though) - or wind them up, but don't keep adding to their problems for no discernible reason.

With all due respect, thats utter rubbish. Let them recover? Why? They are bankrupt and do not deserve the chance to recover. No other company would. Completely sick to death of hearing how clubs that fck everyone else over derserve the chance to get back on their feet. Also completely sick to death of hearing how its the owners fault and they should pay and not the fans. Its the CLUBS fault, thats everyone from Chairman to supporter. You win together and lose together. Thats what clubs do. I dont see too many Leicester fans demanding that their club dont spend all this money on players do you? But when it all goes wrong you'll soon hear them shouting.

Plymouth should be kicked out of the league. End of. They have no right to their Golden Share operating like they are. No sob stories for the supporters. Its harsh but fair.

[Wax Jacket]

Its the CLUBS fault, thats everyone from Chairman to supporter. You win together and lose together.

you don't though, only the fans and the clubs suppliers lose

[Svlad Cjelli]

But that club is in deep, deep, financial trouble because of the decisions of the previous owners - how are they ever going to recover and be in a proper state to pay their wages if they're hit with a further points deduction? That will just make them less attractive to supporters and so reduce their income and their chances of survival this season.

Sporting sanctions were designed as a deterrent - clearly they don't work as one - but using them to kick a club that's already down won't make things any better for that club, it'll just make them worse.

Either let them recover - and help them to (not financially, though) - or wind them up, but don't keep adding to their problems for no discernible reason.

With all due respect, thats utter rubbish. Let them recover? Why? They are bankrupt and do not deserve the chance to recover. No other company would. Completely sick to death of hearing how clubs that fck everyone else over derserve the chance to get back on their feet. Also completely sick to death of hearing how its the owners fault and they should pay and not the fans. Its the CLUBS fault, thats everyone from Chairman to supporter. You win together and lose together. Thats what clubs do. I dont see too many Leicester fans demanding that their club dont spend all this money on players do you? But when it all goes wrong you'll soon hear them shouting.

Plymouth should be kicked out of the league. End of. They have no right to their Golden Share operating like they are. No sob stories for the supporters. Its harsh but fair.

See the two highlighted alternatives in my post - I'm not averse to them being would up. I was making thepoint that hitting them with a further punishement now would be completely counter-productive.

[Who Moved The Goalposts?]

But that club is in deep, deep, financial trouble because of the decisions of the previous owners - how are they ever going to recover and be in a proper state to pay their wages if they're hit with a further points deduction? That will just make them less attractive to supporters and so reduce their income and their chances of survival this season.

Sporting sanctions were designed as a deterrent - clearly they don't work as one - but using them to kick a club that's already down won't make things any better for that club, it'll just make them worse.

Either let them recover - and help them to (not financially, though) - or wind them up, but don't keep adding to their problems for no discernible reason.

With all due respect, thats utter rubbish. Let them recover? Why? They are bankrupt and do not deserve the chance to recover. No other company would. Completely sick to death of hearing how clubs that fck everyone else over derserve the chance to get back on their feet. Also completely sick to death of hearing how its the owners fault and they should pay and not the fans. Its the CLUBS fault, thats everyone from Chairman to supporter. You win together and lose together. Thats what clubs do. I dont see too many Leicester fans demanding that their club dont spend all this money on players do you? But when it all goes wrong you'll soon hear them shouting.

Plymouth should be kicked out of the league. End of. They have no right to their Golden Share operating like they are. No sob stories for the supporters. Its harsh but fair.

See the two highlighted alternatives in my post - I'm not averse to them being would up. I was making thepoint that hitting them with a further punishement now would be completely counter-productive.

Can see both points, but I'm with Tony in the "completely fed up" camp. I think the league should revoke their Golden Share immediately and send them to the non-league structure where they can build again. It's just not right that can keep hold of their status given the way the club is operating and it's about time that league set a precedent that the Golden Share does not equate to a lifetime membership at any cost.

[papereyes]

Given that fans tend not to complain when clubs are spending beyond their means and doing 'well', I don't see why we should take their views into account when fortunes are reversed.

[Mr Angry]

Given that fans tend not to complain when clubs are spending beyond their means and doing 'well', I don't see why we should take their views into account when fortunes are reversed.

I felt that with the whole Pompey debacle.

And how many of the Leicester fans who are going around with big smiles on their faces as they continue to buy up any footballer that SSN says is available in their quest for the holy grail of the Premiership, felt shame at the way their club screwed over the St John's Ambulance and many, many others the last time they went on a massive spending splurge, yet still see nothing wrong with their current behaviour.

Its odd how fans bleat on about their history, yet have collective amnesia where their clubs mental spending is involved!

[papereyes]

It's always easy to keep spending. You're only going to be unpopular cutting it back.

[Ian Royal]

In this case I'd be quite happy to see a punishment for Plymouth. Providing that punishment basically involved them either being kicked out of the league, or losing all their senior players.

Sorry for the supporters, but it's not like they can't still support a local club even if it has to restart at the bottom of the pyramid. AFC Wimbledon coped. Yeah it could take a very long time to get back to the league. Well tough shit, that's what happens the club spends well beyond it's means and supporters have to take some responsibility as the ones who put pressure on the club to try and compete above the level it can manage.

[rhroyal]

AFC Wimbledon and Aldershot both show that a club is made up of fans and won't die with a winding up order. Let these clubs (or "entities") who overspend go to the wall. If the fans are truly loyal there is a way back to the FL for them.