Rumour - Paul Robinson

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by specialjon » 22 Aug 2011 17:08

Big Foot Hope we sign him and make him captain, get rid of that complete joke McNotGoodAnuff


Good to see the Reading "faithful" supporting their team!!!!!

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by Alan Partridge » 22 Aug 2011 17:09

I think also though while Reading plead poverty i'm pretty sure other clubs will know a bit better and believe Reading will have cash on the hip following recent player sales, whether it's true or not.

To sign this guy I'm thinking it probably would take a Mills esque fee, £2million-ish.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by loyalroyal4life » 22 Aug 2011 17:10

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Big Foot Hope we sign him and make him captain, get rid of that complete joke McNotGoodAnuff


Good to see the Reading "faithful" supporting their team!!!!!



TBF i think BF is right if he is implying Mcanuff should not be captain, always thought it would turn out to be a poor choice!

It will be catch 22 nevertheless as imagine what that would do for Mcanuff confidence

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by Focher » 22 Aug 2011 17:14

tbf Andrew is not far off if you compare it to Matt Mills

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by andrew1957 » 22 Aug 2011 17:24

ZacNaloen We always open with a low offer, it's called haggling.


No it is not. Past precedent suggests we make an offer of what we think is fair value and if it (or something very close) is not accepted we walk away.

If we have offered say 500K and Millwall want 3M do you for one minute think the gap will be bridged?

The tone of the Millwall report suggests to me that they felt the offer was derisory. Unless they are in financial straights (and I have heard nothing to suggest they are) why would they sell for less than the player is worth to them?


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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by Friday's Legacy » 22 Aug 2011 17:26

Alan Partridge I think also though while Reading plead poverty i'm pretty sure other clubs will know a bit better and believe Reading will have cash on the hip following recent player sales, whether it's true or not.

To sign this guy I'm thinking it probably would take a Mills esque fee, £2million-ish.


bearing in mind of course that mills came here for £1m, not £2m. the extra million was based on appearances and promotion and wouldn't have exceeded £1.25m. i'd be as happy as the next man if we brought this lad in but i can't see us spending the money we think it would take to get him, and we should be trying to sign a striker.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by ZacNaloen » 22 Aug 2011 17:30

andrew1957
ZacNaloen We always open with a low offer, it's called haggling.


No it is not. Past precedent suggests we make an offer of what we think is fair value and if it (or something very close) is not accepted we walk away.

If we have offered say 500K and Millwall want 3M do you for one minute think the gap will be bridged?

The tone of the Millwall report suggests to me that they felt the offer was derisory. Unless they are in financial straights (and I have heard nothing to suggest they are) why would they sell for less than the player is worth to them?



Sorry but no, the only other time this has happened was when we tried to sign tommy smith and eventually we reached a value both agreed on before Pompey jumped in with their ridiculous personal terms for Tommy.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by winchester_royal » 22 Aug 2011 17:30

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ZacNaloen We always open with a low offer, it's called haggling.


No it is not. Past precedent suggests we make an offer of what we think is fair value and if it (or something very close) is not accepted we walk away.

If we have offered say 500K and Millwall want 3M do you for one minute think the gap will be bridged?

The tone of the Millwall report suggests to me that they felt the offer was derisory. Unless they are in financial straights (and I have heard nothing to suggest they are) why would they sell for less than the player is worth to them?


Why would we pay 3M for him? That's ridiculous money for a championship defender.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by andrew1957 » 22 Aug 2011 17:39

The more I think about it Robinson seems a strange target. To try to purchase a player under a relatively long contract is always going to be more expensive than purchasing one on a free or short contract. And we are not recognized for our willingness to pay large transfer fees.

I would have thought a loan deal for someone like Kilgallon would be an infinitely better option as he is experienced so all we would pay would be wages. No doubt £20K or so a week but if we cannot afford to buy - surely we could afford a loan player for this season.

To me a season long loan for an experienced player like Kilgallon and purchasing a young up and coming player would have been a better option than taking Khulamo on loan – who himself is inexperienced at this level.

We would then have had Pearce plus experienced player as first choices with two younger players as back up.


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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by andrew1957 » 22 Aug 2011 17:40

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ZacNaloen We always open with a low offer, it's called haggling.


No it is not. Past precedent suggests we make an offer of what we think is fair value and if it (or something very close) is not accepted we walk away.

If we have offered say 500K and Millwall want 3M do you for one minute think the gap will be bridged?

The tone of the Millwall report suggests to me that they felt the offer was derisory. Unless they are in financial straights (and I have heard nothing to suggest they are) why would they sell for less than the player is worth to them?


Why would we pay 3M for him? That's ridiculous money for a championship defender.


Matt Mills 5.5M for a Championship defender would suggest otherwise.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by UpNorth » 22 Aug 2011 17:50

I understand the bid was around £800k.

We must be prepared to go over the £1m mark if this was the initial bid.

I suspect he is worth at least double this figure.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by Ian Royal » 22 Aug 2011 18:11

andrew1957 If we offered less than 3M we had no chance of the offer being accepted. Why would Millwall sell us their Captain who is under contract until 2013 for any less?

I suspect we offered a bag of magic beans instead and the Chairman finds it really hard to see why the offer was rejected.

The way RFC is being run is turning into a farce!


Ahh... decide on what we offered without any evidence, make up your own valuation and then express indignation that we didn't do it right. The HNA? way.


Well, we've got 9 days to get this sorted our and up our bid. Hopefully this isn't one where we're being totally unrealistic and can actually do some business, because he seems like he'd be an excellent buy. Thought their defence was very good against us.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by andrew1957 » 22 Aug 2011 18:22

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andrew1957 If we offered less than 3M we had no chance of the offer being accepted. Why would Millwall sell us their Captain who is under contract until 2013 for any less?

I suspect we offered a bag of magic beans instead and the Chairman finds it really hard to see why the offer was rejected.

The way RFC is being run is turning into a farce!


Ahh... decide on what we offered without any evidence, make up your own valuation and then express indignation that we didn't do it right. The HNA? way.


Well, we've got 9 days to get this sorted our and up our bid. Hopefully this isn't one where we're being totally unrealistic and can actually do some business, because he seems like he'd be an excellent buy. Thought their defence was very good against us.


Did you actually bother to read what Kenny Jacket said? He said our bid was very low compared to their valuation. He said their valuation is very high and they are under no pressure to sell. If they wanted to sell to us, I very much doubt they would have gone public with this - so I suspect we offered 500-800K and that their valuation is around the 2.5 to 3M level.

If we want him we will have to pay top dollar and do you really think that will happen?

I do agree that he would be a good buy - just cannot see us paying a near club record fee.


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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by Ian Royal » 22 Aug 2011 18:26

Not sure he'd cost nearly as much as you're suggesting.

I could see us going to £1m or so. We're always going to start low and negotiate up as Zac says. I think we'll miss out because Millwall will do what we would with Long and Leicester and price us out of the market because they don't need to sell to a rival.

Jackett is always going to play the "that offer is insulting" hand. It's how negotiation works and he's going to want to look strong for the fans who won't be happy about selling to us.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by tomrfcurz » 22 Aug 2011 18:45

Bloody ell some right old transfer activity today. Jackett isn't exactly going to come out and say "Reading were only just below what we consider to be a decent bid, try again and you'll definitely get him" is he? He has to try and stop a fellow Championship team coming in and nicking one of his best players and captain. Would be a great signing though, from what i've seen he looks v solid

Just having a scout through a Millwall forum on the net as well and they really don't seem confident of a) keeping him and b) getting more than £500,000 for him. They don't seem to rate him (in price terms) that high at all. Of course that said Mills has shown how blown up fees have become over the last year or so in particular so it may mean bugger all but i find it hard to believe the Millwall FC and the Millwall fans valuation will be so far apart. Think he could sign by the end of the week.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by West Stand Man » 22 Aug 2011 18:52

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ZacNaloen We always open with a low offer, it's called haggling.


And in the past have missed out on some players because of making derisory offers.
This is England old boy not the back streets of Marrakesh.

Go on then, give us a few examples where we have missed out through making derisory offers. Real examples not hna rumours.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by tomrfcurz » 22 Aug 2011 18:53

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ZacNaloen We always open with a low offer, it's called haggling.


And in the past have missed out on some players because of making derisory offers.
This is England old boy not the back streets of Marrakesh.

Go on then, give us a few examples where we have missed out through making derisory offers. Real examples not hna rumours.


Tommy Smith. Failed to meet the correct valuation until last minute where we seemed to persuade them to sell and then Pompey tabled a late bid. Had we met that offer a few weeks before he would be a Reading player.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by Ian Royal » 22 Aug 2011 18:56

One.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by winchester_royal » 22 Aug 2011 18:57

andrew1957 Matt Mills 5.5M for a Championship defender would suggest otherwise.


And that was stupid money paid by a team with billionaire backers.

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Re: Rumour - Paul Robinson

by tomrfcurz » 22 Aug 2011 18:58

Ian Royal One.


I wasn't saying there was more. I'm merely answering a question. Personally i think in terms of getting players at good money we do well at that to be fair. In terms of signing players we could maybe sign as a result of not having a high transfer budget - i'm sure that's happened; i can't imagine we've never been priced out of a deal.

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