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Re: Hoops

by Ian Royal » 22 Aug 2011 22:08

cmonurz Fwiw over the last couple of seasons I have sent no less than five emails to RFC concerning the lack of hoops on our home shirt, receiving only one, particularly curt, response, informing me that (paraphrased) it doesn't matter what I think, because the shirts are very popular.


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Re: Hoops

by Forbury Lion » 22 Aug 2011 22:34

Rev Algenon Stickleback H About the only thing I can offer in defence of the decision is that it might be to do with Puma and their designs rather than our request. I can't see why a club would choose to have a solid single coloured panel instead of their real colours.
I imagine it's cheaper.

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Re: Hoops

by Forbury Lion » 22 Aug 2011 22:36

rfc2001 They must know the fans want hoops not shitty stripes on the front of a kit!!!

Until Reading make a kit with completed hoops I will refuse buy, not lining that twat Madejski with my money!!!
Unfortunately, many people still buy the shirts.

I bought the current one, first one in 10 years as it has a collar. I would have paid £10 more for proper hoops.

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Re: Hoops

by Fox Talbot » 23 Aug 2011 12:38

Popular? Does that means sells well? With the aid of a £20 voucher, of course?

What about those of us who don't buy shirts but still have to watch our heroes play in a naff representation of our true kit? Don't we count?

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Re: Hoops

by ZacNaloen » 23 Aug 2011 13:00

How about an organised campaign?

One that includes also changing the font to one that can be read on the hoops!


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Re: Hoops

by roadrunner » 23 Aug 2011 13:35

ZacNaloen How about an organised campaign?

One that includes also changing the font to one that can be read on the hoops!


STAR could get off their arse and try representing the fans on this.

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Re: Hoops

by No Fixed Abode » 23 Aug 2011 17:26

QPRs kit > Readings kit.

I saw a woman in the new home shirt in Oracle on Saturday, it looked shit.

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Re: Hoops

by Red » 23 Aug 2011 18:06

Greenock Morton > Pro Patria > Zwolle and de Graafschap > QPR > Duisburg > Reading

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Re: Hoops

by barmy_army008 » 23 Aug 2011 18:40

I emailed the club, basically asking why the decision was made in the first place and if they had ever considered getting some feedback from the fans in response to possible designs.

Apparently the plain panel was introduced due to fan feedback (so presumably it has been considered to an extent before...) that numbers and names were difficult to read. Thinking back, we had red numbers for much of the mid/late 90's and early 00's, but I believe there were then 2 or 3 seasons where we changed them to black, and it seems that it was only after this that a plain panel became necessary (the most recent hooped shirt also had black text for some reason). Which would suggest to me that it wasn't the hoops per se, but rather having less contrasting colour, that caused the names to be hard to read.

In terms of asking what the fans want, they said that it had been considered but, as has been suggested on here, it is difficult to get a consensus.

So probably nothing groundbreaking in the response, but the fact they're saying it was fan feedback which led to the panel in the first place suggests that maybe alternative feeback would be considered too. Of course, there is always the possibility that more fans prefer it without hoops anyway.


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Re: Hoops

by Friday's Legacy » 23 Aug 2011 19:47

barmy_army008 I emailed the club, basically asking why the decision was made in the first place and if they had ever considered getting some feedback from the fans in response to possible designs.

Apparently the plain panel was introduced due to fan feedback (so presumably it has been considered to an extent before...) that numbers and names were difficult to read. .


what supporter doesn't know who their players are just by looking at them? i've never had to look at a reading shirt for a name or number to be clear who is who.

qpr use red numbering and lettering and it's as clear as day. sunderland have black numbering and lettering on a red and white striped shirt and it's still clear enough, and guess what, few complaints about it to warrant thec club considering a change to a plain back panel.

if the club want to continue with stripes and not hoops then perhaps they can consider going back to the 1984/85 kit.



ready made plain white panel.
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Re: Hoops

by cmonurz » 23 Aug 2011 19:49

Red Greenock Morton > Pro Patria > Zwolle and de Graafschap > QPR > Duisburg > Reading


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Re: Hoops

by Forbury Lion » 23 Aug 2011 20:32

Money talks... so, If the club do proper hoops how about they sell a spotters guide so that the fans who can't tell their Kebe from their Hunt's can avoid the need to look at players numbers. I suggest they charge £50 for this as those same fans won't be able to spot the difference between a 50p coin and a £50 note.

Actually, that reminds me.... the Guess the Player half time contestant guessed Adam Federici when the player pictured was wearing blue and white hoops :roll:

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Re: Hoops

by Sarah Star » 24 Aug 2011 20:16

barmy_army008 I emailed the club, basically asking why the decision was made in the first place and if they had ever considered getting some feedback from the fans in response to possible designs.

Apparently the plain panel was introduced due to fan feedback (so presumably it has been considered to an extent before...) that numbers and names were difficult to read. Thinking back, we had red numbers for much of the mid/late 90's and early 00's, but I believe there were then 2 or 3 seasons where we changed them to black, and it seems that it was only after this that a plain panel became necessary (the most recent hooped shirt also had black text for some reason). Which would suggest to me that it wasn't the hoops per se, but rather having less contrasting colour, that caused the names to be hard to read.

In terms of asking what the fans want, they said that it had been considered but, as has been suggested on here, it is difficult to get a consensus.

So probably nothing groundbreaking in the response, but the fact they're saying it was fan feedback which led to the panel in the first place suggests that maybe alternative feeback would be considered too. Of course, there is always the possibility that more fans prefer it without hoops anyway.

That's interesting because I was told (a few seasons ago admittedly) that the playing staff hadn't wanted the hoops all round as they couldn't see the numbers. Whether this was for their own benefit or to be noticed by anyone else - including future clubs/scouts etc - I don't know.

And STAR do ask about hoops all the way round. It's part of their policies... which reminds me, if you want to comment on what STAR do and their policies why don't you go to the STAR Supporter Survey and fill it in.


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Re: Hoops

by ZacNaloen » 24 Aug 2011 21:36

I think STAR should make it a policy of Hoops all the way round and a change in the Font colour so the "Can't read it" problem no longer applies.

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Re: Hoops

by roadrunner » 25 Aug 2011 07:52

ZacNaloen I think STAR should make it a policy of Hoops all the way round and a change in the Font colour so the "Can't read it" problem no longer applies.


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Re: Hoops

by barmy_army008 » 25 Aug 2011 10:09

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barmy_army008 I emailed the club, basically asking why the decision was made in the first place and if they had ever considered getting some feedback from the fans in response to possible designs.

Apparently the plain panel was introduced due to fan feedback (so presumably it has been considered to an extent before...) that numbers and names were difficult to read. Thinking back, we had red numbers for much of the mid/late 90's and early 00's, but I believe there were then 2 or 3 seasons where we changed them to black, and it seems that it was only after this that a plain panel became necessary (the most recent hooped shirt also had black text for some reason). Which would suggest to me that it wasn't the hoops per se, but rather having less contrasting colour, that caused the names to be hard to read.

In terms of asking what the fans want, they said that it had been considered but, as has been suggested on here, it is difficult to get a consensus.

So probably nothing groundbreaking in the response, but the fact they're saying it was fan feedback which led to the panel in the first place suggests that maybe alternative feeback would be considered too. Of course, there is always the possibility that more fans prefer it without hoops anyway.

That's interesting because I was told (a few seasons ago admittedly) that the playing staff hadn't wanted the hoops all round as they couldn't see the numbers. Whether this was for their own benefit or to be noticed by anyone else - including future clubs/scouts etc - I don't know.

And STAR do ask about hoops all the way round. It's part of their policies... which reminds me, if you want to comment on what STAR do and their policies why don't you go to the STAR Supporter Survey and fill it in.


Survey completed.

Whether its playing staff or fans feedback of not being able to see the numbers, I still think that you can't see the numbers because someone decided to use black text instead of red. Even I would say that it was very difficult to read on the most recent hooped kit, although I didn't really care because I liked having hoops (shame about the front of the shirt) and I recognise the players anyway. As posted by others above, we can have hoops and visible text just by picking picking a contrasting colour.

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Re: Hoops

by Ian Royal » 25 Aug 2011 23:25

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barmy_army008 I emailed the club, basically asking why the decision was made in the first place and if they had ever considered getting some feedback from the fans in response to possible designs.

Apparently the plain panel was introduced due to fan feedback (so presumably it has been considered to an extent before...) that numbers and names were difficult to read. .


what supporter doesn't know who their players are just by looking at them? i've never had to look at a reading shirt for a name or number to be clear who is who.

qpr use red numbering and lettering and it's as clear as day. sunderland have black numbering and lettering on a red and white striped shirt and it's still clear enough, and guess what, few complaints about it to warrant thec club considering a change to a plain back panel.

if the club want to continue with stripes and not hoops then perhaps they can consider going back to the 1984/85 kit.



ready made plain white panel.


I do, my eyesight isn't good enough to pick out the differences between players of similar height, build and hair colour / lengths at the distances I'm looking from. TBH I can't read the names a lotof the time either, and the numbers aren't always clear. It's not so much a distance vision thing as it is about the ability to focus quickly enough to pick it out.

Red numbering and lettering probably wouldn't help me as I'm colourblind too. But I'd take hoops over being able to identify players easier every day of the week.

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Re: Hoops

by Fox Talbot » 26 Aug 2011 09:30

Ian, can't you tell the players by the way they move? Kebe is brisk, Harte rather less so etc.

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Re: Hoops

by Royal With Cheese » 29 Aug 2011 13:32

Fox Talbot Ian, can't you tell the players by the way they move? Kebe is brisk, Harte rather less so etc.

Also Kebe's Black and Harte is White.

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Re: Hoops

by Ian Royal » 29 Aug 2011 14:39

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Fox Talbot Ian, can't you tell the players by the way they move? Kebe is brisk, Harte rather less so etc.

Also Kebe's Black and Harte is White.


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