Jason Roberts idiot

[Svlad Cjelli]

sorry- clattering a player, kicking him in the air, and raking studs down his knee, while pushing him in the face, really isnt understandable, let alone justifiable

It's certainly not justifiable, but it is understandable. It's not done to mock fellow professionals in any job, let alone one where you're doing it in public in front of 24,000 people. Most people wouldn't have reacted by losing their temper, and as a professional Collinson shouldn't have - but players do get the red mist for all sorts of things during games, and at least in this game it's clear to see what the provocation was.

He'll face the appropriate punishment and that should be the end of it, but for some reason it's not.

[Chaney]

goals on sunday kamara commented that he didn`t see anything wrong with what kebe did to warrant an assault, Deiter Haman said kebe should have been yellowed for disrespect.
should add a bit of spice to the return game (if kebe is still with us)

[RoyalBlue]

goals on sunday kamara commented that he didn`t see anything wrong with what kebe did to warrant an assault, Deiter Haman said kebe should have been yellowed for disrespect.

God help us if that ever starts to happen. Just where would the line be drawn? Passing the ball backwards and forwards between two players, with no clear intent to do anything else with it, as a player vainly tries to gain possession?

Had Kebe done this in a cup game against lower league opposition then that might be considered bad form. However, the team and players he did it against were of similar standard at least and no doubt they and their fans would claim they were far superior.

[melonhead]

sorry- clattering a player, kicking him in the air, and raking studs down his knee, while pushing him in the face, really isnt understandable, let alone justifiable

It's certainly not justifiable, but it is understandable. It's not done to mock fellow professionals in any job, let alone one where you're doing it in public in front of 24,000 people. Most people wouldn't have reacted by losing their temper, and as a professional Collinson shouldn't have - but players do get the red mist for all sorts of things during games, and at least in this game it's clear to see what the provocation was.

He'll face the appropriate punishment and that should be the end of it, but for some reason it's not.

no. it isnt an understandable reaction at all.
to assault a player is not understandable, even if he called his mother a whore, let alone for puLOLling his socks up.

understandable would be to rare up and go face to face while angrily shouting at him

[Svlad Cjelli]

sorry- clattering a player, kicking him in the air, and raking studs down his knee, while pushing him in the face, really isnt understandable, let alone justifiable

It's certainly not justifiable, but it is understandable. It's not done to mock fellow professionals in any job, let alone one where you're doing it in public in front of 24,000 people. Most people wouldn't have reacted by losing their temper, and as a professional Collinson shouldn't have - but players do get the red mist for all sorts of things during games, and at least in this game it's clear to see what the provocation was.

He'll face the appropriate punishment and that should be the end of it, but for some reason it's not.

no. it isnt an understandable reaction at all.
to assault a player is not understandable, even if he called his mother a whore, let alone for puLOLling his socks up.

understandable would be to rare up and go face to face while angrily shouting at him

You're thinking like a fan, without understanding how players (or ex-players) think.

To fans these are the opposition so it's OK to mock and abuse them. But to players they're fellow professionals and there are expectations in how they treat each other - there's an understood level of mutual respect (no matter how badly they're winning/losing) and an unwritten rule that you don't publicly take the piss.

Kebe stepped over the respect line (knowingly or otherwise) and this gave a young and hot-headed player - who was no doubt on the edge anyway because of the way the game was going and his own performance - the red mist. And he'll be punished appropriately.

He shouldn't have done it but he did - and Kebe's behaviour on the pitch is the explanation. Note the word is "explanation", not "excuse".

[Chaney]

so as an example does ballatelli knocking the ball in with his shoulder last week make him disrespectful to the opposition?
of course it doesn`t, in fact most tv pundits saw it as funny, someone please tell me the difference?

[Snowball]

so as an example does ballatelli knocking the ball in with his shoulder last week make him disrespectful to the opposition?
of course it doesn`t, in fact most tv pundits saw it as funny, someone please tell me the difference?

or Bremner telling the crowd here comes goal number 5,
or the Henry RVP pass-penalty


or wasn't there once where a player lay on the floor to head the ball over the line?

[West Stand Man]

Claridge et al are so self righteous it is painful.

Change the scenario, Jimmy gets the ball and instead of his little show he takes it into the corner and presses it against the corner flag, shielding it with his body. Collison (or anyone else) gets frustrated and kicks him out of the way. How is that somehow more reasonable (as they all seem to suggest).

As to the 'an English player wouldn't have done that' .... you are showing your Millwall / Pompey origins there Steve.

[Yahoops]

You're thinking like a fan, without understanding how players (or ex-players) think.

To fans these are the opposition so it's OK to mock and abuse them. But to players they're fellow professionals and there are expectations in how they treat each other - there's an understood level of mutual respect (no matter how badly they're winning/losing) and an unwritten rule that you don't publicly take the piss.

Kebe stepped over the respect line (knowingly or otherwise) and this gave a young and hot-headed player - who was no doubt on the edge anyway because of the way the game was going and his own performance - the red mist. And he'll be punished appropriately.

He shouldn't have done it but he did - and Kebe's behaviour on the pitch is the explanation. Note the word is "explanation", not "excuse".

I'm not sure what you are thinking like!

We are expected to believe that;
1 There is an unwritten code of chivalry amongst players who think nothing at throwing insults at each other week in, week out;
2 That Kebe was doing anything other than wasting time/drawing the players to him. We actually don't know what was in his mind because, as far as I am aware, he hasn't said.

[Yahoops]

Ina Michael Cane accent "he was only pulling his bloody socks up".

[LoyalRoyal22]

I was fuming on the way back to nottingham last night, i was so tempted to ring up and give Jason Roberts a peice of my mind. What worse Jimmy Kebe having abit of fun after they have kicked him all game, or a challenge that could break somebodys leg?

And Steve Claridge comments were almost racist

[cmonurz]

Can someone summarise what's gone on here, as I didn't see the game - what has Roberts said, what did Kebe do that was disrespectful, and what's the thing about Kebe's socks?

[Royal Rother]

I have never been able to get my head around this view that exists in pro football that showboating shows disprespect to other pros.

I simply don't get it.

Pro football is a game for grown ups that is won by the team putting the ball in the back of the net more times than the opposition and showboating won't help achieve that so what's the big deal?

The sad fact is that calling a player a oxf*rd or a oxf*rd or a useless bastard as many times as you like is seen as part and parcel of the game because it might wind the player up and make him perform erratically / below his peak. That's actually accepted as professionalism whereas showboating is disrespectful?

Madness. The game and many of the people in it and commenting on it are fcuked in the head imo.

[Svlad Cjelli]

You're thinking like a fan, without understanding how players (or ex-players) think.

To fans these are the opposition so it's OK to mock and abuse them. But to players they're fellow professionals and there are expectations in how they treat each other - there's an understood level of mutual respect (no matter how badly they're winning/losing) and an unwritten rule that you don't publicly take the piss.

Kebe stepped over the respect line (knowingly or otherwise) and this gave a young and hot-headed player - who was no doubt on the edge anyway because of the way the game was going and his own performance - the red mist. And he'll be punished appropriately.

He shouldn't have done it but he did - and Kebe's behaviour on the pitch is the explanation. Note the word is "explanation", not "excuse".

I'm not sure what you are thinking like!

We are expected to believe that;
1 There is an unwritten code of chivalry amongst players who think nothing at throwing insults at each other week in, week out;
2 That Kebe was doing anything other than wasting time/drawing the players to him. We actually don't know what was in his mind because, as far as I am aware, he hasn't said.

1. But the fact that when they so throw insults at each oater it's newsworthy - and a recent phenomenon - proves that it does exist.
2. I have no idea what was in his mind - but it pro ably wasn't deliberate provocation, no matter how it was taken by Collinson. This is where the "not-English" thing comes in.

It's not rocket science - all I'm saying is that a footballer who takes the piss while playing can expect to be clattered.

It's not right, it's not the way it should be, but it's simply the way the game is. In the same way that if someone did something like that to our players we'd all be screaming "Parks gonna get you" - and he would get them, and we'd all cheer him as he walked off the pitch after his red card.

Collinson reacted to what he saw as provocation and will get the punishment - and I expect his ban to be increased from the norm as it was obviously an intentional, violent, foul.

[Ian Royal]

Steve Claridge?? English players wouldn't do that?? So Collison's challenge was justified then?

TBF he specifically said you can't condone the challenge.

But at the same time also seemed to say it was ok

Absolutely NO. He said you could understand the reaction. Which when you're losing 2-0 and down to 10 men with 10 minutes to go and someone takes the piss like that, it's quite easy to see how you lose your cool.

If he'd been a bit earlier, or Kebe released the ball a bit later, he could have just put in a nasty challenge and got a yellow for it, but he was too late and he knew it, but was determined to stick one on Kebe as he'd lost control.

But Claridge was still bang out of order with his "non English" comments. Not that I like the Daily Mail reaction on show from those who are actually getting their nickers in a twist and sending in complaints.

[blueroyals]

just complained as well. sick of this racist twat and the p*ss poor coverage we get from the FL show.

[Bandini]

He shouldn't have done it but he did - and Kebe's behaviour on the pitch is the explanation. Note the word is "explanation", not "excuse".

Kebe's behaviour explains why Colison was irritated/angry. It doesn't explain why he kicked Kebe and shoved him to the ground.

[Rex]

just complained as well. sick of this racist twat and the p*ss poor coverage we get from the FL show.

We always get poor coverage, and dismissed as a bit part team. Accept it.

[Franchise FC]

I've just watched the incident and if what JK did was enough to bring the red mist down then I'm fully expecting at least another 5 incidents like this in every game for the rest of the season.

He's touched his (own) shins, pulled up one sock no more than an inch or two and played the ball away - whole incidenty lasted less than a second.
Such shocking behaviour from JK should have demanded a straight red - that would've prevented the poor demented soul that is Jack Collison from having to deal with the ract that, on the day, JK was head and shoulders (knees and toes) above every single one of his opponents.

Tell me I've watched the wrong incident.

One thing's for sure, Roberts hadn't seen it before passing judgement.
Can't think why went through Claridge's mind - on seconds thoughts I know that one - nothing.

[Royal Rother]

All that Claridge, Roberts & Savage have done is reflected exactly what seems to be the attitude in clubs up and down the country.

Doesn't make it right of course but that type of "insight" is what they are paid to provide as current or recent ex-pros. None of them condoned it (and neither did Allardyce who's also come in for stick on here) and to suggest Claridge's comments were racist is frankly pathetic.

I don't like Claridge but writing into the BBC to compalin.... honestly, some of you guys need to get a friggin' life.