Back From The Game Watford Away

[Super_horns]

pea - You have snummed up the feeling of a lot of fans regarding our lack of attack threat and many agree Garner should be given a chance ahead of a guy who cannot get into a game and is about as mobile as my 92 year grandad (think he moves quicker though!) - taling about somebody who is known where I sit as the concrete statue!

Sordell is our only real threat as Dyche doesn't like playing any of the youngsters because they aren't "men"

Mariappa and Norsworthy have been our 2 best defenders all season whilst we missed Hogg in midfield as he does have some passing ability.

Our saving grace was that we might have a bit of money to bring players in which will be much needed.

[West Stand Man]

However, just as the sun always shone out of Shorey and Forster's backsides and the likes of Andy Hughes got slagged regardless, our captain got far less stick for a performance which was far worse than what we saw from Jimmy last night. If he's really on his way, I can think of many players who wouldn't have been at the far post waiting for HRK's cross


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While I agree, strongly, with your general sentiment, you are way off track with the Forster comment. There is a wealth of archive material on here to show that the general feeling about him was that he was a waste of space who couldn't score because he was too greedy. It was total rubbish, of course. Fortunately he had sufficient supporters to refuse the nonsense most of the time.

To add to the list, Jim McIntyre. A player who never got the credit for his play. Constantly slagged by a hard core of people with little understanding of his role or what he brought to the team. He could have run the length of the pitch and scored a brilliant solo goal and it would have been credited to someone else for 'distracting the defence'.

[Woodcote Royal]

I know Forster often split opinion but I only meant to highlight how, in some fans' eyes, certain players never do anything wrong whilst others never get anything right.

[RoyalJames101]

Thought Kebe started off quite brightly and looked to actually beat his man, but then he slowly started to go back to where he's been recently.

Two good goals for us. Pin point cross from HRK, thought he played very well yesterday. Pearce, Tabb and Jem also looked very good.

Good away support too.

And a massive LOL to Hunt, Antonio and Karacan keeping the ball in the corner right in front of us for a good 4 minutes

[Rex]

Thought Kebe started off quite brightly and looked to actually beat his man, but then he slowly started to go back to where he's been recently.

Two good goals for us. Pin point cross from HRK, thought he played very well yesterday. Pearce, Tabb and Jem also looked very good.

Good away support too.

And a massive LOL to Hunt, Antonio and Karacan keeping the ball in the corner right in front of us for a good 4 minutes

Capped by the foot stamping and jumping up and down of the Watford player. Someone give him his sweets back FFS.

[FiNeRaIn]

Jimmy will always be frustrating to watch at times but when he's on top form (which is the only time his slaggers ever give him any slack) he's far too good for this division.

Last week, McAnuff was the chief culprit for us getting knocked out of the cup after losing possession in a way that would have seen the Kebe hater's going mental if he had done the same thing.

What about those of us who aren't a fan of either?

Both have sublime quality when its produced, but its produced so little these days that it really hurts the side. Our centre midfield is the least creative in the division, goals or assists practically NEVER go through them. Seeing as our defence isn't going to create chances and neither is the centre midfield...we need the wingers to produce. More often than not im afraid they don't and as a result we lose games. I would much rather sell mcanuff/kebe and lose those one in six game magic moments if we could get some consistent delivery into the box. Some of this can't entirely fall on just the wingers though, they often have two men on them and thats because our entire gameplan is weak and see-through by a lot of people and easily countered. Also, our centre mids are not great at passing so they often don't receive quick early ball on the deck which is what wingers thrive on. If we had a creative midfielder willing to play the ball on the deck down the centre or out to the wing it would give teams a headache and something else to worry about. We don't need two defensive midfielders, both have their quality but its just stupid being so one dimensional.

[M-U-R-T-Y]

According to a Watford fan in the Watford Observer.

lutondown says...
7:35pm Sat 14 Jan 12

I hate losing to those jumped up plastic Paddys
I thought we looked good for the draw until the substitutions. Readings was an attacking change ours was one that had yet to show a positive when deployed
Was it me or was Loach flat footed for their second goal?
Positives Bauben and Deeney had decent games, Nosworthy very good again
Look forward to watch a recorded version on tv but enjoying a pint in walkabout for now.
But I do f'ing hate them Birks from Birkshire

LOL! They had ONE shot on goal the entire match, and we scored an own goal.
One single shot on goal, from a distance, free kick which Feds saved easily and displayed his hollywood skills.

They had nothing. After the match I sat here thinking, they are doomed to go down. Can there be any worse teams in this division? If so, how poor are they?
Is there another team which have mustered only one shot on goal against us?

They had 8 shots on goal.

[Woodcote Royal]

Jimmy will always be frustrating to watch at times but when he's on top form (which is the only time his slaggers ever give him any slack) he's far too good for this division.

Last week, McAnuff was the chief culprit for us getting knocked out of the cup after losing possession in a way that would have seen the Kebe hater's going mental if he had done the same thing.

What about those of us who aren't a fan of either?

Both have sublime quality when its produced, but its produced so little these days that it really hurts the side. Our centre midfield is the least creative in the division, goals or assists practically NEVER go through them. Seeing as our defence isn't going to create chances and neither is the centre midfield...we need the wingers to produce. More often than not im afraid they don't and as a result we lose games. I would much rather sell mcanuff/kebe and lose those one in six game magic moments if we could get some consistent delivery into the box. Some of this can't entirely fall on just the wingers though, they often have two men on them and thats because our entire gameplan is weak and see-through by a lot of people and easily countered. Also, our centre mids are not great at passing so they often don't receive quick early ball on the deck which is what wingers thrive on. If we had a creative midfielder willing to play the ball on the deck down the centre or out to the wing it would give teams a headache and something else to worry about. We don't need two defensive midfielders, both have their quality but its just stupid being so one dimensional.

The problem here is that you won't get a creative central midfielder whist we play with 2 strikers because many sides play one up front these days, meaning that we are out gunned in the centre and can't afford one of our two to be of the "non tackling" variety.

Having said that, I firmly believe McAnuff would be better in the centre these days and that, had he been fit, we would have had a stronger side by playing him behind Hunt in place of the largely irrelevant Church.

[Nick Shorey my Lord!]

Not sure which game most of you lot were watching. It was utter utter toilet; one of the worst games I've ever seen.

Watford were piss-poor and offered nothing and we weren't much better apart from two moments of class. Church is just hopeless and if Fed's kicks it left one more time I'm going to chin him.

Cracking day out mind.

[Hula-hoop]

You Obv didn't go to the last two matches @ Watford, if you thought that was dire

[Maguire]

Reading were the better side but my god we are poor up the top of the pitch. Cracking finish from our only natural goalscorer to win it.

Jay Tabb did alright I thought, and the two centre halves were as solid as usual.

Overall a pretty boring match livened up by a decent pie at half time.

[peterroyal76]

Is it me or did Kebe score today? The posts on here are like he was absolutely terrible and deserved to be taken off. he started the pass for our first goal and if you watch the replay had his hand up wanting the ball. So i suppose that shows he hates the club and hates the fans. Hmm maybe not. Maybe he is just bored of his own 'fans' constantly complaining and demanding a Messi style run everytime he has the ball. I hope he tays. But i would not begrudge him leaving. He must wonder what he has to do. 9 assists this season and he is shouted at everytime he makes the slightest mistake.

It's hard to disagree with you. He actually defends with a lot of effort too as does jobi. But jimmy will sometimes stop playing for a bit and both are frustrating to watch, jimmy will sometimes give the ball away a lot and go round his men too many times. Today he had a poor game typified by only taking people on on his own half or not getting past the three men on him. As you say , you always want him on the pitch as he will make goals, however he plays.

Comments such as he is lazy and disinterested are frankly from people who are subconsciously racist. It's always the anelkas, desaillys, kebes who are lazy. Actually they just don't see the point on garnering english applause for pointlessly closing down the keeper.

If kebe was on fire every week and jobi could make better decisions they would be top top players and not playing for Reading. For their flaws, I love them.

So Kebe is called lazy and the people who say it must be racist! Are you on crack? I don't recall anyone on here apart from you mentioning Anelka and Desailly!! There is nothing pointless in closing the keeper down!

At times Kebe does look disinterested,it doesn't mean he is disinterested, but if you believe he never looks like like that then you never watch him during games or you're not there.

I however agree with you that if Kebe and McAnuff were on fire every week they wouldn't be playing for us and that goes for all of our players.

[melonhead]

kebe just looks disinterested all the time- hes not though


miles and away our best attacking outlet, and though hell make the wrong decision as often as the right one, hes still always worth watching

[Pat Butchers Ring]

Is it me or did Kebe score today? The posts on here are like he was absolutely terrible and deserved to be taken off. he started the pass for our first goal and if you watch the replay had his hand up wanting the ball. So i suppose that shows he hates the club and hates the fans. Hmm maybe not. Maybe he is just bored of his own 'fans' constantly complaining and demanding a Messi style run everytime he has the ball. I hope he tays. But i would not begrudge him leaving. He must wonder what he has to do. 9 assists this season and he is shouted at everytime he makes the slightest mistake.

It's hard to disagree with you. He actually defends with a lot of effort too as does jobi. But jimmy will sometimes stop playing for a bit and both are frustrating to watch, jimmy will sometimes give the ball away a lot and go round his men too many times. Today he had a poor game typified by only taking people on on his own half or not getting past the three men on him. As you say , you always want him on the pitch as he will make goals, however he plays.

Comments such as he is lazy and disinterested are frankly from people who are subconsciously racist. It's always the anelkas, desaillys, kebes who are lazy. Actually they just don't see the point on garnering english applause for pointlessly closing down the keeper.

If kebe was on fire every week and jobi could make better decisions they would be top top players and not playing for Reading. For their flaws, I love them.

Oh god another lefty. Grow up.

[JC]

They had 8 shots on goal.

I have no idea where you got that stat. Never in a million years did they have 8 shots on target. I would be surprised if they had 8 shots of any kind

[RoyalBlue]

However, just as the sun always shone out of Shorey and Forster's backsides and the likes of Andy Hughes got slagged regardless, our captain got far less stick for a performance which was far worse than what we saw from Jimmy last night. If he's really on his way, I can think of many players who wouldn't have been at the far post waiting for HRK's cross


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While I agree, strongly, with your general sentiment, you are way off track with the Forster comment. There is a wealth of archive material on here to show that the general feeling about him was that he was a waste of space who couldn't score because he was too greedy. It was total rubbish, of course. Fortunately he had sufficient supporters to refuse the nonsense most of the time.

To add to the list, Jim McIntyre. A player who never got the credit for his play. Constantly slagged by a hard core of people with little understanding of his role or what he brought to the team. He could have run the length of the pitch and scored a brilliant solo goal and it would have been credited to someone else for 'distracting the defence'.

Absolutely spot on with both those calls. Forster got increasing stick from one section of our support as his career wore on. What was really strange was being called greedy when he was left completely on his own up front and was often left with little option but to try to do things on his own.

McIntyre had a slow start, probably due to being played out of position, was picked on for that and then never forgiven, even though he proved to be a really good player.

IMO both were really good players and I always liked them.

[Ian Royal]

They had 8 shots on goal.

I have no idea where you got that stat. Never in a million years did they have 8 shots on target. I would be surprised if they had 8 shots of any kind

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16453259.stm
8 shots, although admittedly only 3 on target. I can certainly think of two on target off the top of my head.

[M-U-R-T-Y]

They had 8 shots on goal.

I have no idea where you got that stat. Never in a million years did they have 8 shots on target. I would be surprised if they had 8 shots of any kind

Ideal didn't say anything about shots on target.

Unless that what he means by 'on goal'.

[Big Ern]

Ref did his best to stop us winning it though.

The ref was equally shite for both sides and eas very lenient. Got both Penalty calls right IMO.

Disagree.

Hunt was blatantly pushed in the first half, admittedly would have been a very soft one, but anywhere else on the pitch and its a foul.
Absolute stone-wall pen in the second half with the watford defender quite clearly taking Noel's legs out.
Should have been a second yellow for their guy 15 seconds after his first. Ref bottled it. eith HUn
Gave Watford several soft free kicks around our box.

Now I imagine you'll come back with their penalty shout and HRK's challenge. But tbh their forward was weak, and at least Pearce was actually going for the ball. Hal's 'vicious' challenge was one of those that looked worse in slow mo IMO.

Anyway, bit of a pointless argument now i s'pose, and either way we were deserving winners.

Opinions..no arguments dear boy. First penalty 100% no, second 50/50.

So the ref got things wrong for us and wrong for them. If anything we were a little fortunate as the first major incident was HRK's horrible tackle. I am sure Watford would argue it would have been a very different result if he had been sent off, and lets be honest, we have seen players sent off for far less, espcially in recent weeks.

A

[melonhead]

that hand in the back from pearce is never ever a penalty

if it was every game would end up called off