Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

[watfordroyal]

In terms of going forward, the club should start at the bottom division...possibly in England, cardiff/swansea are allowed, time for Rangers to do it from the bottom there and work their way up.

It wont be allowed now. They were all allowed in before the war. I can't be bothered to dig up why there were allowed in. It's different now. They're Scottish and they can bloody well stay there!

Easiest way is to buy up a small club like Bury or Rochdale, change the name & relocate to Glasgow. The FL allowed MK Dons to do it, so there is precedent, and can't see the FL clubs turning down the chance of high revenue from tv & all those huns filling their stadiums.
Would be the best move for a Newco Rangers.

[Terminal Boardom]

In terms of going forward, the club should start at the bottom division...possibly in England, cardiff/swansea are allowed, time for Rangers to do it from the bottom there and work their way up.

It wont be allowed now. They were all allowed in before the war. I can't be bothered to dig up why there were allowed in. It's different now. They're Scottish and they can bloody well stay there!

There was not a welsh league at the time. I could be wrong but I thought that the likes of Cardiff, Swansea and Merthyr joined the football league as part of the "professionalisation" of the Southern League. Hence Division 3 in 1920/21. There can be absolutely no justification whatsoever for Rangers to be admitted into any English league as there are plenty of Leagues already in Scotland. There will always be anomalies though - Berwick Rangers and Gretna to name 2. Berwick's ground is in England but the town lies across the River Tweed in Scotland. Gretna switched to the Scottish Leagues owing to the distances they had to travel when playing in the Northern Leagues.

Scottish football needs Rangers far more than English football does.

[Mr Angry]

I don't normally agree with Finerain's sentiments, but personally I think tje SFA are taking their chance to punish the club for the wilful actions of a single individual.

It doesn't help that, over the Years, Rangers (& Celtic) have antagonised the rest of Scottish football to the extent that when given the opportunity, Scottish football has taken its chance in giving one of the Auld Firm a kicking.

[Ark Royal]

I agree with FineRain on this one. How difficult would it have been for the SFA to find out that Whyte was totally unfit to run ANY football club, let alone one of the biggest in the country. Gross incompetence and this seems to be a spiteful and heavy-handed attempt to cover their own negligence.

However, there is no way that Rangers should be allowed into the English pyramid. Let them start in the Scottish Junior League West alongside Pollok and Largs Thistle.

[watfordroyal]

[quote="Ark Royal"]I agree with FineRain on this one. How difficult would it have been for the SFA to find out that Whyte was totally unfit to run ANY football club, let alone one of the biggest in the country. Gross incompetence and this seems to be a spiteful and heavy-handed attempt to cover their own negligence.

If it was so obvious to everyone that Whyte was a wrong 'un, & if Murray had the best interests of the club, why did he sell em to him. Where were all the fans protests then?

Lol at having a protest at the cup final, Strathclydes finest are gonna love that, trying to keep the Hibees & Jam tarts apart & then a load on huns turn up, mass bundles in the streets of Mount Florida!

[PieEater]

Scottish football needs Rangers .

I think this punishment and faux let's take our ball and keep it is related to this.

They know that a one horse race that Celtic will win does nobody any favours. But the SFA really doesn't want to push them too far just in case that happens.

[Franchise FC]

Scottish football needs Rangers .

I think this punishment and faux let's take our ball and keep it is related to this.

They know that a one horse race that Celtic will win does nobody any favours. But the SFA really doesn't want to push them too far just in case that happens.

It might just be the catalyst for accepting ONE team from Scotland into the Football League - Portsmouth exchange, anyone ?

[Friday's Legacy]

In terms of going forward, the club should start at the bottom division...possibly in England, cardiff/swansea are allowed, time for Rangers to do it from the bottom there and work their way up.

It wont be allowed now. They were all allowed in before the war. I can't be bothered to dig up why there were allowed in. It's different now. They're Scottish and they can bloody well stay there!

Easiest way is to buy up a small club like Bury or Rochdale, change the name & relocate to Glasgow. The FL allowed MK Dons to do it, so there is precedent, and can't see the FL clubs turning down the chance of high revenue from tv & all those huns filling their stadiums.
Would be the best move for a Newco Rangers.

If it was that easy for Rangers and Celtic to do that then I can assure you they would have by now. As would Aberdeen and Hearts. It will never happen!

[FiNeRaIn]

You are not in a position to ensure anyone of anything because you haven't got a clue about the politics of the clubs in the SPL.

Not even CLOSE to all rangers/celtic fans want to join the English leagues, it would be a long process where lots of questions would be asked, the myth that the clubs or fans of both clubs are literally battering the door down to get into the EPL is just that...a myth. I personally want it, many don't and the clubs would need a majority after some kind of vote before anything would ever be actioned.

[Ian Royal]

You are not in a position to ensure anyone of anything because you haven't got a clue about the politics of the clubs in the SPL.

Not even CLOSE to all rangers/celtic fans want to join the English leagues, it would be a long process where lots of questions would be asked, the myth that the clubs or fans of both clubs are literally battering the door down to get into the EPL is just that...a myth. I personally want it, many don't and the clubs would need a majority after some kind of vote before anything would ever be actioned.

Bollocks would they. They'd need the owner to want the cash from the English Leagues.

[watfordroyal]

Easiest way is to buy up a small club like Bury or Rochdale, change the name & relocate to Glasgow. The FL allowed MK Dons to do it, so there is precedent, and can't see the FL clubs turning down the chance of high revenue from tv & all those huns filling their stadiums.
Would be the best move for a Newco Rangers.[/quote]

If it was that easy for Rangers and Celtic to do that then I can assure you they would have by now. As would Aberdeen and Hearts. It will never happen![/quote]

They've not had the real incentive before, but now is an opportunity, because they need a better option of income stream for a newco especially if it is going to be a foreign owner. If it's gonna be a Newco, then why not a total reformation, (stealing a march on Celtic).
The fans are prob unsure about going into more competative leagues, as opposed to winning every other week, but they must surely be excited at playing the likes of the Sheffields, Leeds, Forest etc (even before rising to the EPL) over playing Dunfermline, Dundee or Ross County 3-4 times a season!

[Mr Optimist]

Rangers have made their bed and will have to lie in it. I can understand the transfer sanctions but what is the point in a fine for a club in financial problems!?

[yuomi]

http://splsurvey.co.uk/SPL_SURVEY_Newco-FFP-Results.pdf

...sums it up. two relevant quotes:

Rangers actions have taken tens of millions of pounds away from the public purse, that is sorely
needed by public bodies that save people’s lives, for the purpose of winning football competitions. If
this is not enough to encourage the harshest possible punishment from the people who run the game
in this country, then i and my family will have no part in it. It would be the death of what little integrity
and honour still remains in Scottish football.

and

If Rangers newco are admitted to the SPL then there in no sporting integrity left within the league. I
refuse to subscribe to a league which bends over backwards to accomodate a corrupt institution. The
way in which the wagons have circled, within the media and footballing authorities, to protect Rangers
in recent weeks and months has been truly disgusting and a stain on Scottsh football and society as a
whole. The SPL seems to exist purely for the benefit of Rangers and Celtic and I refuse to take part in
this corrupt sham anymore, even if it means the death of my own club.

[Wax Jacket]

not sure the media or SFA wagons have circled round Rangers at all have they? the public purse argument is very persuasive though; fcuk em

[yuomi]

i think the SPL led from the front by ralph topping, whose day job is MD of WIlliam Hill (and how thats not a conflict of interest il never know), and allot of non-beeb media started out defending rangers. some of toppings statements have been outrightly biased in rangers favour. its understandable that the SPL are sh*tting it because a large proportion of their revenue stream is derived from the media buys that the old firm provide, hence topping's determination to protect the 12block and castigate the 'rebel 10' as he calls them (although how it can be a rebellion when 10 out of 12 clubs are saying the same thing i havent a clue).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17604881

thats just an example. the beeb hate rangers, and good on them for it after the way theyve behaved. but more objective titles, especially north of the border, have come out in support of the club.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Easiest way is to buy up a small club like Bury or Rochdale, change the name & relocate to Glasgow. The FL allowed MK Dons to do it, so there is precedent,

The League didn't "allow" Wimbledon to move to MK. They were legally over a barrel and had no choice. Their rules have since been tightened to stop it happening again.

[watfordroyal]

Easiest way is to buy up a small club like Bury or Rochdale, change the name & relocate to Glasgow. The FL allowed MK Dons to do it, so there is precedent,

The League didn't "allow" Wimbledon to move to MK. They were legally over a barrel and had no choice. Their rules have since been tightened to stop it happening again.

Do you think the FL chairmen would vote against rule changes to allow two big money generating fish to join them in the pond, even if it is for 3-5 summers, to save a couple of tiddlers?

[Ian Royal]

The rules have already been changed. No way they'll change them back just to let Rangers into the English Leagues. Which wouldn't work anyway as there is no precedent for a foreign team moving from their existing league into a different FA's one.

[Friday's Legacy]

Easiest way is to buy up a small club like Bury or Rochdale, change the name & relocate to Glasgow. The FL allowed MK Dons to do it, so there is precedent,

The League didn't "allow" Wimbledon to move to MK. They were legally over a barrel and had no choice. Their rules have since been tightened to stop it happening again.

Do you think the FL chairmen would vote against rule changes to allow two big money generating fish to join them in the pond, even if it is for 3-5 summers, to save a couple of tiddlers?

They would be setting a very dangerous precedent if they allowed that to happen.

[watfordroyal]

If I was a bidder for Rangers, I would buy up Port Vale or the like, change the name "Vale Rangers FC" say, buying up the best Rangers players released from the administrators (plus others), continue to play at Vale Park and up through the leagues. Once the liquidation process has gone through all the court wrangling, buy up Ibrox from the creditors, very quietly drop the Vale. Then "negotiate" a relocation to Glasgow when the FL chairmen start getting the cheques on their doormats.