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by Ian Royal » 25 Apr 2012 18:22

watfordroyal If I was a bidder for Rangers, I would buy up Port Vale or the like, change the name "Vale Rangers FC" say, buying up the best Rangers players released from the administrators (plus others), continue to play at Vale Park and up through the leagues. Once the liquidation process has gone through all the court wrangling, buy up Ibrox from the creditors, very quietly drop the Vale. Then "negotiate" a relocation to Glasgow when the FL chairmen start getting the cheques on their doormats. :wink:

And you wouldn't be able to.

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by Platypuss » 25 Apr 2012 18:24

Terminal Boardom There will always be anomalies though - Berwick Rangers and Gretna to name 2. Berwick's ground is in England but the town lies across the River Tweed in Scotland.


A point of order: Berwick on Tweed is wholly in England. The border is a few miles north of the town.

The reason they elected to play in the scottish leagues was the same as Gretna's - to reduce travel time and costs.

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by Barry the bird boggler » 25 Apr 2012 22:46

Portsmouth makes job cuts before creditors meeting

By Nabil Hassan BBC Sport

More jobs have been cut at debt-hit Portsmouth prior to a meeting intended to pave the way for the club to exit administration.

Four staff have been made redundant, with club ambassador Linvoy Primus one of those believed to have departed.

Portsmouth's administrator Trevor Birch will meet with creditors on Thursday.

There were 30 redundancies at the club, £58m in debt and searching for new owners, in February. Pompey were relegated to League One on Saturday.

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“As things stand, we cannot rule out the possibility of having to liquidate the company

Trevor Birch Thursday's meeting at Fratton Park should see the formation of a creditors' committee, which will represent the views of those owed money by the club.

Unsecured creditors will be asked to accept the contents of the report. The 1100 BST gathering at the Victory Lounge will also give creditors a chance to air their views to the administrator.

Administrators PKF issued a report on 11 April to Pompey's creditors.

On Saturday, the club were relegated to League One with Birch telling BBC Radio Solent that would cost them £1.3m.

Birch added that he had "several interested parties" looking at buying the club but that he was still awaiting a firm offer, with liquidation still a distinct possibility.

"As things stand, we cannot rule out the possibility of having to liquidate the company if our efforts aren't successful," he said.

"It would be irresponsible to claim otherwise. However, we want the club to have a sustainable long-term future and are working hard to make this vision a reality."

Pompey's administrator will also give an update on the club's future at Thursday's meeting with creditors.

"We continue to believe that we can find a buyer for the club before the money runs out and are doing everything we can to achieve this," said Birch.

"It's what the club's supporters, staff and players deserve after the turbulence and uncertainty of the past few years. It will also result in the best possible outcome for the creditors as whole, in our view."

Of Pompey's £58m debt, £38m is owed for the purchase of the club from the previous administrators.

A further £10.5m investment made by former owners Vladimir Antonov's Convers Sports Initiatives (CSI) remains outstanding.

CSI themselves will be represented by administrators UHY Hacker Young at Thursday's meeting.

Players are due £3.5m in wages and bonuses for the last two seasons, while £2.3m is owed to HM Revenue and Customs. Additionally, £3.7m is owed for general trade.

In order to exit administration, Pompey's creditors will have to accept a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA).

A CVA is an agreed mechanism for exiting administration and means creditors are likely to have to accept a percentage of what they are owed.

In 2010, when Portsmouth were last in administration, they offered to pay their creditors 20 pence in every pound they owed.

A similar or lesser offer is likely this time but the CVA will need to be supported by 75% of unsecured creditors.

"Since our appointment, my PKF colleagues and I have been focused on getting Portsmouth out of administration as soon as is practically possible through the sale of the club as a going concern and a subsequent CVA," added Birch.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Flyingkiwi » 26 Apr 2012 03:45

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Terminal Boardom There will always be anomalies though - Berwick Rangers and Gretna to name 2. Berwick's ground is in England but the town lies across the River Tweed in Scotland.


A point of order: Berwick on Tweed is wholly in England. The border is a few miles north of the town.

The reason they elected to play in the scottish leagues was because they were absolute bloody rubbish and would never have made it into the Northern Conference, leave alone the Blue Square League/Old division 4/League 2 .


I think that is what you meant to say.


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by watfordroyal » 27 Apr 2012 08:17

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watfordroyal If I was a bidder for Rangers, I would buy up Port Vale or the like, change the name "Vale Rangers FC" say, buying up the best Rangers players released from the administrators (plus others), continue to play at Vale Park and up through the leagues. Once the liquidation process has gone through all the court wrangling, buy up Ibrox from the creditors, very quietly drop the Vale. Then "negotiate" a relocation to Glasgow when the FL chairmen start getting the cheques on their doormats. :wink:

And you wouldn't be able to.


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by From Despair To Where? » 27 Apr 2012 14:33

The Welsh clubs don't offer as precedent because they were existing members of the Southern League Premier Divison at the time it was absorbed into the Football League in 1920. The Welsh teams were admitted to the Southern League prior to 1920 because their local opposition literally consisted of pub sides so they were accepted into the more competative Southern League, or in the case of Wrexham, joined the northern equivalent which becamse Div3(N) in 1921.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by PieEater » 27 Apr 2012 14:44

So how do the Welsh FA still cover them? Did they exist when they joined the league.

Are Gretna and Berwick under the English FA?

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by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 27 Apr 2012 15:01

From Despair To Where? The Welsh clubs don't offer as precedent because they were existing members of the Southern League Premier Divison at the time it was absorbed into the Football League in 1920. The Welsh teams were admitted to the Southern League prior to 1920 because their local opposition literally consisted of pub sides so they were accepted into the more competative Southern League, or in the case of Wrexham, joined the northern equivalent which becamse Div3(N) in 1921.


The wasn't ever a northern equivalent of the southern league. There was just a motley collection of small regional leagues that the league plucked clubs from to try and redress the balance of the southern dominated Div 3. Wrexham were in the Birmingham & District League.

Welsh clubs weren't so much "let in" the Southern League as just treated like any other club in the south of Britain.

There just didn't seem to be any requirement or desire to create national divisions. The Scottish League was almost certainly a result of financal necessity rather than any desire to have a league for just Scottish teams, as was the desire for a southern league about keeping travelling distances down.

In the early years there were two football leagues, after all, with the "Football Alliance" (containing the likes of Man City, Man Utd, Sunderland, Nottingham Forest, Stoke, Birmingham...) forming just one year after the football league.


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Friday's Legacy » 27 Apr 2012 16:32

PieEater So how do the Welsh FA still cover them? Did they exist when they joined the league.

Are Gretna and Berwick under the English FA?


Gretna were liquidated in 2008.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by watfordroyal » 27 Apr 2012 17:28

From BBC

"Meanwhile, former Rangers captain Sandy Jardine, who works behind the scenes at Ibrox, revealed supporters groups will meet on Saturday to discuss implementing sanctions against other clubs."

Which other clubs are on their hitlist?

Dundee United for asking for the money they are owed? :roll:

Coming out with threats is not going help them in relations with the SFA and the SPL 10 "Rebels".

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by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 27 Apr 2012 17:29

watfordroyal From BBC

"Meanwhile, former Rangers captain Sandy Jardine, who works behind the scenes at Ibrox, revealed supporters groups will meet on Saturday to discuss implementing sanctions against other clubs."
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Other than not going to away games, what sanctions exactly can Rangers fans impose?

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by watfordroyal » 27 Apr 2012 17:37

No huns at Pitoddrie = result :lol:


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Friday's Legacy » 27 Apr 2012 17:55

Two new offers on the table for Rangers. Sounds like they're hours/days away from new ownership.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Terminal Boardom » 28 Apr 2012 10:38

It should be noted that Scotland is a Country but Wales is only a Principality.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Friday's Legacy » 28 Apr 2012 11:30

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... eague.html


they're losing £200k a week. utterly ridiculous.

the bank has withdrawn their over-draft and their owner could be in prison before long.


There are a lot of rumours in Birmingham that they are very close to entering administration and Hughton could be off to Wolves.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Royal Rother » 28 Apr 2012 17:05

If Blackpool win the play offs there could be carnage next year in the Championship.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by TFF » 28 Apr 2012 17:08

I don't think it needs a Blackpool win tbh.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Franchise FC » 28 Apr 2012 17:33

That Friday Feeling I don't think it needs a Blackpool win tbh.


But it would be deliciously voyeuristic to watch if WHU, Brum and Cardiff don't make it - none of them are in good shape financially.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by PieEater » 28 Apr 2012 20:18

WHUM and Cardiff at least have backers with some money. Brum might be fooked however.

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